Who Invented Lebanon?

[Doritos11]

LOL, and since when am I a fan of Saddam Hussein or "supporter" as you call it.

More than me a fan of him.

We were talking about being colonized by the West which KSA never was and you are talking about Americans deploying troops during a war. Two different things.

Militarily you were colonized for 1 year not officially though, diplomatically we don’t know, it is a complicated story. The western forces could take whole the peninsula, it’s close to colonization.

Also look at Qatar and Kuwait, look how many US soldiers are stationed there, can we now call that colonization ?

Protects them until it suits them is the right answer. And why is that a problem? You would want a similar situation. To this day I am sure you rather want USA as a ally than Russia. Is that not right?

I know why the people of states living in Arab monarchies support the regime, it brings stability, toppling them might result in wars like the rest of those that toppled them, anyway since that is the case they should quit playing a game as if the monarchies are anything against Israel.

A Zionist? Stop the trolling.

I learnt that part from sun piwa.

show that Iraq had the strongest Arab military, maybe outside of Egypt. I am not using him.

Only when I came here trolling in February, not anymore, similar to you using Saddam for responding to Iranians, I wasn’t serious.

 

[al-Hasani]

So what do you have against Sufis ?

I know that @al-Hasani is an Ultra-Orthodox Ayatollah meets a Suni Cleric in waiting but why be mad a Sufi like me ?

LOL, I am not any Ayatollah by any means or any deeply conservative person never missing any prayer. Besides my family, aside from being diverse and of different origins in the Middle East down the line, have from what I know of been Sunni Muslims of the Shafi's madhab for the last many centuries.

Shafi'i - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe 1000 years. At least I know that the Hashemites of Makkah were that. Some sources (Shia sources) say that we were Shia before but that is not correct. Besides I have nothing against Sufis. There is a old Sufi tradition in Hijaz. A distant relative of my father was this great sheikh who visited Pakistan on a view occasions and many other counties. He was a great man and was my families favorite cleric. We miss him. I have been reading many of his books and I use him as a inspiration.

Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here he is in Pakistan:

In my opinion the most knowledge cleric of recent times!

Anyway I have talked in favor of him 100 times on this forum so people know I like him and respect him.


People must have the wrong perception of me because I have been vocal in the Syrian conflict because I think it is horrible and I hate the silence of the international society and become frustrated and because of the many trolls who provoke.

But at the same time I am not going to shout "Vahabi" this and that to my Sunni brothers of the Hanbali fiqh. Yes, they might be conservative but I have not seen anything wrong with their beliefs. Most of the old Hijazi families are just like ours.

Lastly Sufis are also popular in Yemen. Did you know that most Sufi traditions in South Asia come from Yemen? Or that the Sufis of Yemen in the monasteries were the first in the world to use coffee plants to make coffee out from?

History of coffee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I only agree with the traditional Sufis. Not those that do you know what. With absurd and un-Islamic teachings. I don't like innovations either. No Muslim should like that.

Maybe you were joking, sometimes I cannot tell.

Ayatollah is only used for Shias.

 

[al-Hasani]

More than me a fan of him.


Militarily you were colonized for 1 year not officially though, diplomatically we don’t know, it is a complicated story. The western forces could take whole the peninsula, it’s close to colonization.

Also look at Qatar and Kuwait, look how many US soldiers are stationed there, can we now call that colonization ?


I know why the people of states living in Arab monarchies support the regime, it brings stability, toppling them might result in wars like the rest of those that toppled them, anyway since that is the case they should quit playing a game as if the monarchies are anything against Israel.


I learnt that part from sun piwa.


Only when I came here trolling in February, not anymore, similar to you using Saddam for responding to Iranians, I wasn’t serious.

Ok, let us just say that. So you can be happy. Why not make it even better and say that I am a Ba'athi and this is why I am pro Al-Asshead/Child-Murderer?

Nonsense. The Americans only had bases in the North mostly and they did not colonize us. They protected us and ultimately their own interests. We were not colonized by any Western power ever. Not sure why this is difficult to understand?

Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait are not Saudi Arabia. Could mention Egypt and Sudan or Israel also. We border nearly all of those 3 countries.

Those are small states. Size of the Basra Province. Of course they are interested to have some bases at the expanse of being protected and enjoy stability. If you were ruler of let us say Bahrain would you do any different? Or Kuwait? This is simple logic. Nobody expects anything big from them anyway.

Likewise we don't expect Lebanon, the topic of this thread (LOL) to do anything against Israel. Or play any significant role. Or maybe some do, I don't know?

Who said most support them? I don't support them if they don't behave. You think I would support them if they acted like Mr. Al-Asshead for example? Besides I far agree with everything they do. Have I not said that 100 times here? But I will always stand by them and the nation if outsiders want to hurt us.

Look. The Arab monarchies indeed want stability and part of it is not to engage in conflicts that can topple them. They don't differ from the Arab socialistic/republican regimes or any other regime in that way.

But the ordinary person wholeheartedly supports the Palestinians all over the Arab world and Muslim world. You know that already so why asking?

Also last time I saw then there has not been any Israeli-"Arab" (never did all 22 Arab countries participate) war in like 40 years. So nobody can say that the monarchies would not react in a possible war but the republics would.

Ok, fine enough.

Not everything here should be taken seriously. I also troll from time to time.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Blackeagle himself is a zionist, what is he going to counter.

 

[Armstrong]

LOL, I am not any Ayatollah by any means or any deeply conservative person never missing any prayer. Besides my family, aside from being diverse and of different origins in the Middle East down the line, have from what I know of been Sunni Muslims of the Shafi's madhab for the last many centuries.

Shafi'i - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe 1000 years. At least I know that the Hashemites of Makkah were that. Some sources (Shia sources) say that we were Shia before but that is not correct. Besides I have nothing against Sufis. There is a old Sufi tradition in Hijaz. A distant relative of my father was this great sheikh who visited Pakistan on a view occasions and many other counties. He was a great man and was my families favorite cleric. We miss him. I have been reading many of his books and I use him as a inspiration.

Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here he is in Pakistan:

In my opinion the most knowledge cleric of recent times!

Anyway I have talked in favor of him 100 times on this forum so people know I like him and respect him.


People must have the wrong perception of me because I have been vocal in the Syrian conflict because I think it is horrible and I hate the silence of the international society and become frustrated and because of the many trolls who provoke.

But at the same time I am not going to shout "Vahabi" this and that to my Sunni brothers of the Hanbali fiqh. Yes, they might be conservative but I have not seen anything wrong with their beliefs. Most of the old Hijazi families are just like ours.

Lastly Sufis are also popular in Yemen. Did you know that most Sufi traditions in South Asia come from Yemen? Or that the Sufis of Yemen in the monasteries were the first in the world to use coffee plants to make coffee out from?

History of coffee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I only agree with the traditional Sufis. Not those that do you know what. With absurd and un-Islamic teachings. I don't like innovations either. No Muslim should like that.

Maybe you were joking, sometimes I cannot tell.

Ayatollah is only used for Shias.

Obviously I was only joking !

Do you think a guy who hits on random Danish women he meets in the street is Ayatollah/Sunni Cleric Material ?

 

[nirreich]

First of all not every Arab country was "colonized" by Westerners. The biggest - KSA for example was not.

Secondly you are right that it was a short period where the British and French had their influence but they created a lot of trouble.

For example they created the illegal entity called "Israel" that you call home today.

The nearly 500 million Arabs, whether Muslim, Christian or Atheist, or from Latin America, Northern America, Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, South East Asia, Oceania, Asia, Middle East, North Africa etc. are already united on the ground level.

Especially against your entity. Stop assaulting the Palestinians and reach a peace agreement and don't build illegal settlements.

When the great Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra), one of the greatest conquerors this planet has seen to date and one of the best statesmen, liberated Al-Quds he, according to your very own Jewish tradition set aside the Christian ban on Jews and allowed them into Al-Quds and to worship.

Umar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What are you people doing? Stealing the land of the poor Palestinian Arabs and discriminating and harassing the Muslims that gave you freedom and hosted you for thousands of years while in Europe you were close to extermination.

A very ungrateful bunch indeed.

For example in Arab countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt etc. Jews and Muslims lived peacefully since like forever. Jews were enjoying the protecting of their Muslim brethren. You don't know this but are only feed by Zionist propaganda.

The thanks you give to the Arabs today are harassing the Palestinian Arabs who never hurt the Jews until you started attacking them and harassing them, stealing their territory.

It is shameful that we have this group of people, who claim to belong to the ancient Semitic people and like we Arabs claim ancestry from Prophet Ibrahim (as) act in this way in the ancient Middle East.

Even more funny when 25% of your population are Palesitnian Arabs and that 50% of your Jewish Israeli population are Jews from Arab lands (Mizrahi Jews) or the Sephardic Jews that also hail from the Middle East originally and settled on Iberia where they worked with us Arabs during the glorious Al-Andalus days that lasted nearly for 800 years before they emigrated to the Netherlands and elsewhere.

You call Israel illegal entity and deprive its legitimacy to exist. I guess a "peace agreement" from you means that Israel voluntarily exterminate itself. As for the Palestinians, Israel treat them much better than KSA treats it Shia minority and its female "citizens".

 

[al-Hasani]

Obviously I was only joking !

Do you think a guy who hits on random Danish women he meets in the street is Ayatollah/Sunni Cleric Material ?

Good.

LOL, not hiting. Just saying hello and talking for a short while. She is after all nearly a neighbor. I am probably what you would call a conservative but I don't take it to the extremes. I am in favor of reforms in the Muslim world for example. But I am probably much more conservative than 90% of all Muslims in the West are from what I see from many of them in terms of behavior.

 

[500]

First of all not every Arab country was "colonized" by Westerners. The biggest - KSA for example was not.

Biggest Arab country is Egypt.

For example they created the illegal entity called "Israel" that you call home today.

No, they did not. They liberated Arabs from Turks.

The nearly 500 million Arabs, whether Muslim, Christian or Atheist, or from Latin America, Northern America, Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, South East Asia, Oceania, Asia, Middle East, North Africa etc. are already united on the ground level.

There is no any union

What are you people doing? Stealing the land of the poor Palestinian Arabs and discriminating and harassing the Muslims that gave you freedom and hosted you for thousands of years while in Europe you were close to extermination.

A very ungrateful bunch indeed.

Jews were third class citizens in Arab countries, many times they were slaughtered and expelled.

On the other hand Palestinian Arabs live in Israel even better than in their own countries.

For example in Arab countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt etc. Jews and Muslims lived peacefully since like forever. Jews were enjoying the protecting of their Muslim brethren. You don't know this but are only feed by Zionist propaganda.

Good joke. Like in 1679 when Yemen Jews were expelled to desert and about 2/3 of them died.

 

[al-Hasani]

Biggest Arab country is Egypt.


No, they did not. They liberated Arabs from Turks.


There is no any union


Jews were third class citizens in Arab countries, many times they were slaughtered and expelled.

On the other hand Palestinian Arabs live in Israel even better than in their own countries.


Good joke. Like in 1679 when Yemen Jews were expelled to desert and about 2/3 of them died.

Biggest country in terms of population only. Not in size or economy.

First of all only a small part of the Arab territory was controlled by Ottomans and that was only nominally since we all had local rulers who ruled those territories. The British did nothing other than some advisory work. All the battles were fought by Arabs and they won like they always do when united which happens rarely. BTW, they only pledged alliance to the Sultan and Caliph. Just like the Arabs ruled the various Caliphates for 1000 years previously.

Yes, there is the Arab League and I am not talking about any formal union but the "union" you see among people.

Nonsense. Third class citizens that were very much a part of the business life of cities such as Baghdad, Cairo and Sana'a etc.? Is that what the propaganda in Israel is teaching you?

All this while you were apparently murdered in the millions in Europe and were not even allowed to take an education……or were considered citizens even……or lived in ghettos….

Oh, and why do you think that Palestinians live better inside Israel than in Palestine? You know those answers……

What?

Your version of history does not really add up if we use the Israeli street as the source.

 

[500]

Biggest country in terms of population only. Not in size or economy.

Popolation matters not empty desert. Otherwise Denmark with Greenland is biggest country in Yurop.

First of all only a small part of the Arab territory was controlled by Ottomans and that was only nominally since we all had local rulers who ruled those territories. The British did nothing other than some advisory work. All the battles were fought by Arabs and they won like they always do when united which happens rarely. BTW, they only pledged alliance to the Sultan and Caliph. Just like the Arabs ruled the various Caliphates for 1000 years previously.

They controlled the sea shore and holy sites. No one was interested in empty desert before oil.

Yes, there is the Arab League and I am not talking about any formal union but the "union" you see among people.

Arab league is even more laughable organization than UN. Only good think about it was that Qaddafi used to make his stand up shows there. But now it is completely useless.

Nonsense. Third class citizens that were very much a part of the business life of cities such as Baghdad, Cairo and Sana'a etc.? Is that what the propaganda in Israel is teaching you?

Thats fact.

All this while you were apparently murdered in the millions in Europe and were not even allowed to take an education……or were considered citizens even……or lived in ghettos….

Thousand years ago numbed of European Jews and Arab Jews was about same. Now European Jews are 5 times more.

Oh, and why do you think that Palestinians live better inside Israel than in Palestine? You know those answers……

Not only in Palestine but also in Jordan Egypt, Syria and many more.

What?

Thats what happened.

4:11

 

[al-Hasani]

Popolation matters not empty desert. Otherwise Denmark with Greenland is biggest country in Yurop.


They controlled the sea shore and holy sites. No one was interested in empty desert before oil.


Arab league is even more laughable organization than UN. Only good think about it was that Qaddafi used to make his stand up shows there. But now it is completely useless.


Thats fact.


Thousand years ago numbed of European Jews and Arab Jews was about same. Now European Jews are 5 times more.


Not only in Palestine but also in Jordan Egypt, Syria and many more.


Thats what happened.

LOL. Egypt is the country with the largest percentage of desert in the Arab world. Come again. Half of Israel is desert.

Population matters nothing otherwise Bangladesh and others would be world powers or half of Africa.

Economy, size, a considerably population, religious importance, strategic importance and natural resources matters. And all of them KSA has in abundance hence we are the most important Arab country of today and for some time. Biggest Arab economy too. G-20 Major Economy member state too.

Dumb posts are dumb. The Arab world is one of the most diverse and rich in the entire Middle East and has IMMENSE areas that are fertile. Much more so than Israel. Hence the oldest civilizations in the world formed in those areas of what is now the Arab world.

A fact made up in your own head. Don't perpetrate your families history (where they not from Uzbekistan 10.000 km from the Arab world) and try to use that on the Jews from Arab lands. Just because the Soviets treated you like dirt….

You really don't know what you are talking about. I suggest reading up on the Mizrahi Jews. Or how they lived in Baghdad, Sana'a and Cairo etc. as I already told.

LOL. Half of the Jews in Israel are Jews from Arab lands. Does not add up.

As I said actually citizens of an Arab Jewish background don't agree with your nonsense.

Whether from Morocco, Tunisia, Iraq, Yemen or Syria originally. Their own words.

Tell them that they are making up propaganda about how their families used to live in their original countries…..Many say that their families lived better/had an easier life than they have now in Israel.

At the same time most talk about being convinced Zionists and moving for solely ideological reasons. So you can't accuse them of being anti-Zionists even…….

Here go ahead. It seems you missed it.

 

[elis]

Jews were third class citizens in Arab countries, many times they were slaughtered and expelled.

On the other hand Palestinian Arabs live in Israel even better than in their own countries.

Stop liying, you were kicked out from Spain with the arabs because you invade their lands with the arabs

Now you parasite the christians because they become stronger

You betrayed the algerians who hosted you with the Cremieux decret, which made JEWS in Algeria become french and not the colonized algerians

 

[500]

LOL. Egypt is the country with the largest percentage of desert in the Arab world. Come again. Half of Israel is desert.

Population matters nothing otherwise Bangladesh and others would be world powers or half of Africa.

Economy, size, a considerably population, religious importance, strategic importance and natural resources matters. And all of them KSA has in abundance hence we are the most important Arab country of today and for some time. Biggest Arab economy too. G-20 Major Economy member state too.

Egypt was richest and strongest Arab land for thousand years. Today's Saudi Arabia was nothing. It became important only after 1920's when oil was found there.

Dumb posts are dumb. The Arab world is one of the most diverse and rich in the entire Middle East and has IMMENSE areas that are fertile. Much more so than Israel. Hence the oldest civilizations in the world formed in those areas of what is now the Arab world.

There is no any Arab union and never was.

A fact made up in your own head. Don't perpetrate your families history (where they not from Uzbekistan 10.000 km from the Arab world) and try to use that on the Jews from Arab lands. Just because the Soviets treated you like dirt….

Soviets treated us very well. All my family were doctors.

You really don't know what you are talking about. I suggest reading up on the Mizrahi Jews. Or how they lived in Baghdad, Sana'a and Cairo etc. as I already told.

Jewish standards very improved after European colonization of Arab countries. Before it was very bad with rare exceptions.

LOL. Half of the Jews in Israel are Jews from Arab lands. Does not add up.

Not all Mizrahi are Arab Jews.

Here go ahead. It seems you missed it.

4:11

 

[Tihamah]

Who Invented Lebanon?

France

 

[e3nad3alek]

That’s Yemen, not "land of the prophets" which you call which is a joke, there are a few holy sites and that is what is "holy for some religions" nah, when I step on the Saudi border from the Omani desert I don’t suddenly enter Holy land.

saudi arabia has more than a ''few holy sites'', there are many holy sites and places related to the prophet and beginning of Islam.

There was also an ancient civilization of a group of people known as Thamud in saudi arabia (thamud is different from Nabateans).

These are Thamud buildings in Mada'in Saleh:

heres also the Lihyan civilization: