Wearing Hijab Not An Essential Religious Practice, Says Karnataka High Court

[Bossman]

I agree.

But Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims are the same people.

Pakistan needs to take the initiative. The safety and security of 250 million Indian Muslims depends on Pakistan.

That the mistake most Indians make. Indian Muslim had the chance but they chose to trust Hindus.

So Indian Muslims - students especially - need to rise up not to demand real human rights like free housing, free healthcare, free education etc but to demand what is not really an Islamic garment but a Jewish one ?
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Adding to that an Egyptian Muslim woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for ban on the burqa :




When I was in school and two years of college no girl wore a burqa.





Thank you Jf Thunder for tagging me. I agree with you because I too find myself in one of a few times agreeing with a ruling of the Indian court system.

Vapnope, the Indian courts system consulted Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran and found no mention of the burqa that these misinformed and misguided girls and their so-called community elders are demanding.



When many Indian Muslims are confused, misinformed and misguided the kafir Indian courts did well this time in letting these particular Muslims what is in Islam and what not.

why are you confusing burka and hijab? What is wrong with Hijab? You are one of the most narrow minded persons on this forum who hides behind a burka called “progressive”. You can take your opinion and shove it up the place where sun never shines. Don’t pretend that you are some kind of a scholar on such matters. Ability to Google does not make one an expert.

 

[Indos]

I’m curious as to why. Isn’t the basic premise valid? In the wake of a judgement sanctioning it’s use — I can imagine there would be added/renewed pressure on girls from conservative households to wear the hijab.

Typically you find young people yearning to fit in rather than be isolated from their peer groups. School uniforms, dress codes help achieve that.

Even in this forum - there isn’t a consensus whether a hijab is mandatory or not. But that aside, practice in most countries suggest wearing the attire is entirely optional.

Once these kids become capable of adult living, they can always choose to wear it. But in schools, I don’t think it’s wrong to encourage mixing with your peers through a universal dress code. It will get them out of their comfort zones and hopefully help instil some sense of self actualisation outside their households/community.

You are Hindu, you dont live in Muslim families

Muslim becomes adult is after they have become sexually active, for women it can be in their 10 years old, while for boys are 12-14 years old, but majority I believe for boys are at 14 years old like mine.

Once they reach that ages, they will commit sin if they refuse God order, despite in many ways hijab is more toward trying to be close to God, then avoiding to commit sins since God is Forgiven for minor sins.

Just give freedom to all human, regardless kids or adult if it is about reaching toward their God. Many Muslims here has already prayed since their 8-10 years old not due to order from parents, but through our own consciousness. Never underestimate what little kids have in mind, any way what is wrong if a kid has good religious mind since they are very young. Something positive should be encouraged, not discouraged.

My oldest brother little daughter also like to wear Hijab despite she will met her uncles, aunts, and grandmother LOL

Since early age, Indian society should be taught the importance of tolerance among their society

Tolerance is the thing we should enforced to the society since it can improve unity and harmony.

 

[jamahir]

The intervene of Indian court into Islamic faith should be brought to OIC meeting. This is a serious matter that should have a respond from Muslim world.

The "Oh I See" should instead talk about its intimate role in being a rubber stamp of the Western Crusader governments in these governments waging regime-change wars against the progressive Muslim-majority countries - Libyan Jamahiriya and Syria and destroying them and committing war crimes and killing and injuring people and there are tens of thousands of criminal so-called Muslims fighting for the Crusader governments and doing the Crusaders' terrorism work in Libya and Syria. Will the "Oh I See" take up this real serious matter ?

And you should do a face off of the below non-burqa'ed Libyan girl from 2011 with Indian Burqa Girl Muskan :

Look at the sensibility in the Libyan girl's words and look at the irrationality of Muskan.

Let them female chose, you cannot force any one dress selection, particularly if she wear modes dress

Such a choice is by only a few fanatic ones like Muskan. The rest are forced to wear the burqa by their family and local community and leaders of regressive and misguiding parties like AIMIM, PFI and SDPI. One girl in Shimoga town in this controversy said that she and many of her friends were caught between the burqa imposed on them by their parents, and the schools and colleges who didn't want the girls to wear them. What were the girls supposed to do. In India-administered Kashmir there is a foul female called Asiya Andrabi who is the chief of an all-burqa group called Dukhtaraan-e-Millat and this group more than a decade ago once threatened to throw acid on the faces of those Kashmiri females who didn't wear the burqa. Females like Muskan and Asiya who wear the burqa by choice are the few who create the oppressive environment that imposes the burqa on the vast majority who don't want to wear it.

And what about your own Indonesian singer, the lovely Intan ( the one on the left ) who doesn't wear the burqa ?

Search up what the burqa is, that's not a burqa

Burqa covers the entire face, only leaves the eyes

That's an abaya at best

My questions still stand :

1. What is the business of Indian / South Asian Muslim girls wearing even most of an ancient Jewish garment when it is not only anti-human but also has nothing to do with Islam ?

2. So when COVID becomes like an annual cold that can be treated with pills and there is no longer the need to wear the mask will Muskan stop wearing the mask ? You and I know that her mask now is just a proxy naqab. So let us please stop splitting hairs.

Girls/women looks graceful in head Scarf, Hijab

And mostly it is about modesty/protection/safety of all kind.


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It's an empowering choice, actually....

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Asma too looks graceful without it :

Under duress, a muslim is alowed to eat pork. He will be stil a muslim.

Doesn't mean it's ok for a muslim to eat pork.

Your member name, Jamal, was also the name of the great Muslim, Socialist, Egyptian and African leader Jamal Abdul Nasser, so please write with some sense.

@jamahir i understand what you are saying w.r.t Hijab however issue here is that one community has been allowed a religious symbol while other has not been allowed. I am sure there will be sikhs who wouldn't consider Turban to be a mandatory religious practice.
Americans can allow Hijab in their schools where this is not even part of their culture but it is banned in India where duppatta/purdah is part of the culture.

Is the duppatta part of say Palestinian Muslim culture ? Can local social practices be allowed to be imposed using the excuse of religious sanction even if that is not present in the religion ?

As for Sikhs we must consider that although the males wear the pagdi and the beard they as a community are generally not imposing any restrictive and regressive dress code on the females. Don't you think I make sense ?

Please ban this member, as Hindu he has no right to say thing like this

@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster

Indos brother, but I speak on matters of Hindu society, is it not ? Because I speak with sense so same way you too must converse with calmness instead of angrily calling for ban.

The Supreme Court saw fit to pass a judgment on triple talaq, and allows Muslim men to be sent to prison for divorcing their wife. It is the only law in the world where a man can be sent to prison for divorcing his wife, he is a criminal for life. Oppression.

You misunderstand. That decision was about the anti-Islamic act called Instant Triple Talaq which happens over three seconds over SMS, WhatsApp and phone call instead of the three months with the mediation of a qazi. You know I oppose the Modi government and his Hindutva ideology but the Supreme Court banning and criminalizing the anti-Islamic practice of Instant Triple Talaq was good. Surely you don't want to do such a thing with your wife too, yes ?

I regularly read your comments on this issue.
I find you are confused, which surprises me because on most topics you seem to have balanced and thought provoking views. But on this topic, I find your thinking is muddled.

Thank you for your understanding and support for my posts elsewhere but on this issue it is not me who is confused but the opposers of this court judgement who don't know the the ABCs of Islam but are mixing cultural and non-Islamic practices with Islam.

Hijab is mandatory for woman in Islam. However, It’s the woman’s choice to follow the mandatory practice or not follow it and they’ll answer to Allah.
Hijab is an important part of Islam.

Who tf are Hindus to teach us our deen?

Quran:

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments1 except what normally appears.2 Let them draw their veils over their chests, and not reveal their ˹hidden˺ adornments3 except to their husbands, their fathers, their fathers-in-law, their sons, their stepsons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, their fellow women, those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession, male attendants with no desire, or children who are still unaware of women’s nakedness. Let them not stomp their feet, drawing attention to their hidden adornments. Turn to Allah in repentance all together, O believers, so that you may be successful.”
- An-Nur (24:31)

“O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their cloaks over their bodies. In this way it is more likely that they will be recognized ˹as virtuous˺ and not be harassed. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
- Al Ahzab (33:59)

Hadith:

“Narrated `Aishah:
May Allah bestow His Mercy on the early emigrant women. When Allah revealed: "... and to draw their veils all over their Juyubihinna (i.e., their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)..." (V.24:31) they tore their Murat (woolen dresses or waist-binding clothes or aprons etc.) and covered their heads and faces with those torn Muruts.”
- Sahih al-Bukhari 4758

I have provided the context and debunked where necessary about that topic in another thread. Please follow from this post onwards.

All five pillars of Islam have root in Judaism because Islam is not new religion but kind of final version of Abrahamic religions. Just for your information in case you weren't aware.

Yes, thank you for informing me that Islam is an Abrahamic religion through some practices and some ideology ( like codifying of prohibition on interest-based economics ).

As for the rituals, the early Muslims adopted some practices from not only Judaism and Christianity but also the Zarthusti religion ( Zoroastrianism ) - the five-time-a-day prayers in later practices. Please read this research about the topic of the rituals.

Why do you want to take their freedom to choose their clothing?

How can a Court take away their religious rights?

Indian Muslims cannot fight this battle alone. They need support of all Muslims.

Please see above in this post.

why are you confusing burka and hijab. What is wrong with Hijab?

I have been replying about that to Bleek. Please read those.

You are one of the most narrow minded persons on this forum who hides behind a burka called “progressive”.

Really ?

You can take your opinion and shove it up the place where sun never shines. Don’t pretend that you are some kind of a scholar on such matters. Ability to Google does not make one an expert.

I am not one to blow my own trumpet but in some things I can analyse better and know better than others.

 

[Akshay89]

Indian Muslim had the chance but they chose to trust Hindus.

Did you expect them to leave India for Pakistan?

You wanted to leave their land, monuments and mosques in the hands of Hindus?

And help in creating a Muslim free India.

 

[TheSolution]

My questions still stand :

1. What is the business of Indian / South Asian Muslim girls wearing even most of an ancient Jewish garment when it is not only anti-human but also has nothing to do with Islam ?

2. So when COVID becomes like an annual cold that can be treated with pills and there is no longer the need to wear the mask will Muskan stop wearing the mask ? You and I know that her mask now is just a proxy naqab. So let us please stop splitting hairs.

Dude, you have no clue about the garment, this is obvious

And plenty of women wear the hijab with their entire face showing. In fact literally most do. If she wanted to cover her face she would have used cloth and only shown her eyes.

IMO, this is just her wearing a face mask for COVID, and you're stretching this...

 

[jamal18]

Your member name, Jamal, was also the name of the great Muslim, Socialist, Egyptian and African leader Jamal Abdul Nasser, so please write with some sense.

By 'sense' I assume you mean agree with you?

 

[Sayfullah]

The "Oh I See" should instead talk about its intimate role in being a rubber stamp of the Western Crusader governments in these governments waging regime-change wars against the progressive Muslim-majority countries - Libyan Jamahiriya and Syria and destroying them and committing war crimes and killing and injuring people and there are tens of thousands of criminal so-called Muslims fighting for the Crusader governments and doing the Crusaders' terrorism work in Libya and Syria. Will the "Oh I See" take up this real serious matter ?

And you should do a face off of the below non-burqa'ed Libyan girl from 2011 with Indian Burqa Girl Muskan :

Look at the sensibility in the Libyan girl's words and look at the irrationality of Muskan.



Such a choice is by only a few fanatic ones like Muskan. The rest are forced to wear the burqa by their family and local community and leaders of regressive and misguiding parties like AIMIM, PFI and SDPI. One girl in Shimoga town in this controversy said that she and many of her friends were caught between the burqa imposed on them by their parents, and the schools and colleges who didn't want the girls to wear them. What were the girls supposed to do. In India-administered Kashmir there is a foul female called Asiya Andrabi who is the chief of an all-burqa group called Dukhtaraan-e-Millat and this group more than a decade ago once threatened to throw acid on the faces of those Kashmiri females who didn't wear the burqa. Females like Muskan and Asiya who wear the burqa by choice are the few who create the oppressive environment that imposes the burqa on the vast majority who don't want to wear it.

And what about your own Indonesian singer, the lovely Intan ( the one on the left ) who doesn't wear the burqa ?
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My questions still stand :

1. What is the business of Indian / South Asian Muslim girls wearing even most of an ancient Jewish garment when it is not only anti-human but also has nothing to do with Islam ?

2. So when COVID becomes like an annual cold that can be treated with pills and there is no longer the need to wear the mask will Muskan stop wearing the mask ? You and I know that her mask now is just a proxy naqab. So let us please stop splitting hairs.



Asma too looks graceful without it :

Your member name, Jamal, was also the name of the great Muslim, Socialist, Egyptian and African leader Jamal Abdul Nasser, so please write with some sense.



Is the duppatta part of say Palestinian Muslim culture ? Can local social practices be allowed to be imposed using the excuse of religious sanction even if that is not present in the religion ?

As for Sikhs we must consider that although the males wear the pagdi and the beard they as a community are generally not imposing any restrictive and regressive dress code on the females. Don't you think I make sense ?



Indos brother, but I speak on matters of Hindu society, is it not ? Because I speak with sense so same way you too must converse with calmness instead of angrily calling for ban.



You misunderstand. That decision was about the anti-Islamic act called Instant Triple Talaq which happens over three seconds over SMS, WhatsApp and phone call instead of the three months with the mediation of a qazi. You know I oppose the Modi government and his Hindutva ideology but the Supreme Court banning and criminalizing the anti-Islamic practice of Instant Triple Talaq was good. Surely you don't want to do such a thing with your wife too, yes ?



Thank you for your understanding and support for my posts elsewhere but on this issue it is not me who is confused but the opposers of this court judgement who don't know the the ABCs of Islam but are mixing cultural and non-Islamic practices with Islam.



I have provided the context and debunked where necessary about that topic in another thread. Please follow from this post onwards.



Yes, thank you for informing me that Islam is an Abrahamic religion through some practices and some ideology ( like codifying of prohibition on interest-based economics ).

As for the rituals, the early Muslims adopted some practices from not only Judaism and Christianity but also the Zarthusti religion ( Zoroastrianism ) - the five-time-a-day prayers in later practices. Please read this research about the topic of the rituals.



Please see above in this post.



I have been replying about that to Bleek. Please read those.



Really ?



I am not one to blow my own trumpet but in some things I can analyse better and know better than others.

Hijab is mandatory in Islam. I provided Quranic and Hadith evidence. Muslims sins their not perfect no one is perfect. If some woman don’t wear hijab, it doesn’t make hijab not mandatory.
Quran is the words of Allah and there’s enough Quranic and Hadith evidence to back Hijab’s being mandatory.
Whoever denies a verse of the Quran is automatically a kaffir because denying the words of Allah is kufr on the highest level.

 

[Bossman]

Did you expect them to leave India for Pakistan?

You wanted to leave their land, monuments and mosques in the hands of Hindus?

And help in creating a Muslim free India.

No, if they want to join Pakistan, they have to bring their own land, I.e. fight for it and not get hearded into Pakistan like cattle.

 

[jamahir]

Dude, you have no clue about the garment, this is obvious

And plenty of women wear the hijab with their entire face showing. In fact literally most do. If she wanted to cover her face she would have used cloth and only shown her eyes.

IMO, this is just her wearing a face mask for COVID, and you're stretching this...

Are these girl students from the same state, Karnataka, wearing COVID masks too ?

By 'sense' I assume you mean agree with you?

Am I saying anything wrong ?

Hijab is mandatory in Islam. I provided Quranic and Hadith evidence. Muslims sins their not perfect no one is perfect. If some woman don’t wear hijab, it doesn’t make hijab not mandatory.
Quran is the words of Allah and there’s enough Quranic and Hadith evidence to back Hijab’s being mandatory.
Whoever denies a verse of the Quran is automatically a kaffir because denying the words of Allah is kufr on the highest level.

Bhai jaan, I have read your posts before. They are always violent and irrational. I gave you the link to my posts which debunk what you believe in currently but unfortunately you have not taken time to read through the posts.

Can I ask you age ? And why are you living in a kaafir land ?

 

[Akshay89]

No, if they want to join Pakistan, they have to bring their own land, I.e. fight for it and not get hearded into Pakistan like cattle.

Pakistani express hate for them. So how is it possible?

 

[El Sidd]

Where is the detailed verdict?

 

[Sugarcane]

As for the rituals, the early Muslims adopted some practices from not only Judaism and Christianity but also the Zarthusti religion ( Zoroastrianism ) - the five-time-a-day prayers in later practices. Please read this research about the topic of the rituals.

Islam started with Adams and there were Prophets before Abraham as well . A Muslim's belief isn't complete if He/She doesn't believe on earlier Prophets. I have already researched the topic. Prayer, Fasting, Zakat, Hijab has been part of religion before Islam and even before Juadism. If you start calling everything you personally don't like (in this case you want to see women in bikini) then you can also go to court and get verdict against circumcision as well because you can prove that it's Jewish ritual and nothing is written about it in Quran.

 

[Bossman]

I am not one to blow my own trumpet but in some things I can analyse better and know better than others.

What “others” are you comparing yourself to. I think you come from a family of under achievers, you have mediocre education, do a low level job and socialize with people who are at the lower level of the society. Within this context you think you are very smart. A confused pathetic soul!

 

[Deltadart]

I agree.

But Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims are the same people.

Pakistan needs to take the initiative. The safety and security of 250 million Indian Muslims depends on Pakistan.

Nah, Indian Muslims apart from some Islamic practices, look and behave just like you Hindus. You can have them.

Oh! And take your skinny, dark *** Out of here...... We can't have any discussion here without tripping over you p****** here.

 

[Clutch]

New Delhi:
A hijab is not an essential religious practice, the Karnataka High Court said today in a huge setback to students who had challenged a ban on wearing the hijab in class. Five petitions had challenged the ban in court.

Ahead of the order, the state government banned large gatherings for a week in state capital Bengaluru "to maintain public peace and order". Mangalore too banned large gatherings from March 15 to 19. Schools and colleges are closed in Udupi today.

The Karnataka High Court had temporarily banned religious clothes, including Hijab and saffron scarves, last month as the controversy snowballed into protests and a face-off between different sections of students.

Karnataka High Court decision to uphold hjab ban is deeply disappointing": Former Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti.

Highlights: Wearing Hijab Not An Essential Religious Practice, Says Karnataka High Court

A hijab is not an essential religious practice, the Karnataka High Court said today in a huge setback to students who had challenged a ban on wearing the hijab in class. Five petitions had challenged the ban in court.

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@Sharma Ji @jamahir @Maira La @Rollno21 @Joe Shearer @N.Siddiqui @Naofumi

But Sikh Turban is?... Hindus cannot dictate what Islam is or isn't. Only Muslims can.

THE SIX POINT CRITERIA FOR HIJAB
Based on the Qur’an and Sunnah (the teachings of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) there is a six point criteria for observing hijab correctly:

The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands up to the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body.
All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
The clothes worn should not resemble that of non-Muslims i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of other religions.
Hijab includes conduct and behaviour among other things. Complete ‘hijab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijab’ of the eyes, ‘hijab’ of the heart, ‘hijab’ of thought and ‘hijab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.