We need to treat the cause

[Zibago]

When you stop distinguishing TERRORISM & JIHAD, that day problem will be solved.. For example the victims recognize these attacks as terrorist attacks, but who doing it recognize it as holy jihad.. Hafiz saeed is hero for you people but he is a terrorist for us.. That means it is easy to exploit youth in Pakistan in the name of holy war.. Say no to any type of terrorism..

Lets not derail this thread to Kashmir we have other threads for that

 

[Guynextdoor2]

We need to improve counter intel, increase funding to the appropriate folks, infiltrate these swines and once we have them were we want them, give them a most excruciating death.Kudos Sheikh


My dear chap are you naive enough to believe if suddenly Hafiz Saeed and his acolytes disappeared from the face of this Earth, the folks of Kashmir would start to give ladoos to the Indian army, seriously!!!

I do not believe that HS will truly condemn this attack. Even if he feels sad for Pak people, in his mind these terrorists will only be 'misguided youth'. Plus he himself wants a fundamentalist state.

We need to improve counter intel, increase funding to the appropriate folks, infiltrate these swines and once we have them were we want them, give them a most excruciating death.Kudos Sheikh


My dear chap are you naive enough to believe if suddenly Hafiz Saeed and his acolytes disappeared from the face of this Earth, the folks of Kashmir would start to give ladoos to the Indian army, seriously!!!

I do not believe that HS will truly condemn this attack. Even if he feels sad for Pak people, in his mind these terrorists will only be 'misguided youth'. Plus he himself wants a fundamentalist state.

Lets not derail this thread to Kashmir we have other threads for that

You think Hafiz Saeed's effect is restricted to Kashmir?

 

[Zibago]

 

[Musafir117]

@Zibago
My stance and points are very clear from first day and stay remain as it.
Still it's not so late. REFORMS of madrassaas.
Teachers must be appointed by government like other schools. Teach them general subjects with main subject Hifze Quran etc.
100% sucide zombies come from madrassas back ground.
Friday sermons delivered by local government and must be implemented strictly.
No more Jehadis recruitment neither any religious party allowed to do so ( LeJ JeM are haunting us from that routes and JuD on its way )
There is no Good bad Taliban they are all same! Today's' good Taliban blast themselves in our crowd whenever we stop feed them.
Keep wide open eyes on sectarian bigots.
Put back Zia's baqiat back in grave and Army with civil LEA need to be clean from extreme religious minds.
Continue operations in Punjab Interior Sind and dig out their facilitator and HANG them publicly without any trial.
Send our boys or use local informers hit men to trace out mulla radio and group and terminate them AS soon we have clean Afghanistan the India with RAW go back in their pichwada. No need to seal border if able to get clean Afghanistan from rats.
We have no direct threat from India as they can only bark from other side and Bhakts have no balls to cross the border and hit us directly.
Make Afghanistan hell for anti Pakistan rats is the key.

 

[Zibago]

I do not believe that HS will truly condemn this attack. Even if he feels sad for Pak people, in his mind these terrorists will only be 'misguided youth'. Plus he himself wants a fundamentalist state.



I do not believe that HS will truly condemn this attack. Even if he feels sad for Pak people, in his mind these terrorists will only be 'misguided youth'. Plus he himself wants a fundamentalist state.



You think Hafiz Saeed's effect is restricted to Kashmir?

I would say even his influence on Kashmir is highly exagerated by India

 

[Deadpool]

Everytime we have a terrorist attack on our country we hear the same old old mantra,"they are om the run" "this was directed by foreign handlers" "we will intensify operations against such actors" "victoms will be avenged" "blood of martyrs will not go in vain" e.t.c.We make all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories on how the attack happened and why .We say they are not real Muslims they are x,y,z,s conspiracy to defame Muslims but does that helps us in our situation?No the fact is the fact is this stupid belief just strengthens pur enemy we dont understand the intention of our enemy and keep fooling our public on what the real motives of our enemy really are we have to tell them with a straight face that the terrorist want a radical fundamentalist state which the state directly and indirectly glorified in the past,we have to educate our people on the harmful affects of an ideological fundamentalist state and as a nation we have to reject e tremism of all sorts we have tp remeber it doesnot take much for a shia hater to turn into shia kuller and then morph into a killer of those who are against the shia killer.We know the same toxicity that made thousands march for Qadri and made thousands disciples of Abdul Aziz is same ideology that considers Pakistan a Kafir state in which if they kill members of its state,s machinery they will go to Jannah they believe that if innocent die in blast well tough luck they too will go to jannah this is the ideology we are up against i dont see anywgere anyone talking about the intentions of these terrorist groups openly we seem to be only going after the symptoms of this cancer ttp is not the cause but symptoms of terrorism cancer that has deep ropts now because of us not treating real cause that is intolerence and extremis.The real cure of this problem is taking the bitter pill and going after all extremist groups including those who are on friendly terms with the ruling party and hold rallies in Islamabad even if we dismantle entire ttp network we will still have ingrained extremism in our society which will again sprout itself from a different name to kill it permanently we have to cure our extremism problem.The people who do blasts have support inside Pakistan and many Pakistanis i know believe that x types should all be killed or y are wajib ul qatal even in this forum which supposedly we had people calling for an putright mass killing of x type of people these groups pray on these feeling and the bigots are willing to house them and go on a rampage if they kill people they dislike we may blame foreign players for what happens in Pakistan but they are our enemies they will continue to harm us what is stopping us from removing the platform that exists in our country on which they play their dirty games?

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Lovely writeup.

Simple request. Please edit the post to make space and divide it into multiple paragraphs. That would make it much easier for other's to read and appreciate what you have written.

bhai ji its a big job
kick out afghans and other nationals
close madrasas
hang mullahs whom preache hate
ban every good bad jihadi
work on internal security more then defense
police and inteligance gather info
activate NECTA
hang terrorists
change hateful books and teach kids love
stop regional dirty games and talk open with countries
stop playing double games
control secterian killings
provide jobs increase jobs in youth
educate citizens abut terror
etc etc etc

It is quite telling that your post is liked more by Indians than by Pakistanis. Eh @Syed.Ali.Haider

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I would say even his influence on Kashmir is highly exagerated by India

Oh you bet no. Man trains poor kids of Raiwind by giving them dreams of martyrdom and 50,000 rupees. He then sends them over to fight Jihad in India. We know he's efficient- he's sent thousands. Pretty much like how another org might pick up a poor kid from tribal areas and send them on a suicide mission within Pak. If you think he thinks Pak is an islamic state you're out of your head.

 

[Zibago]

Oh you bet no. Man trains poor kids of Raiwind by giving them dreams of martyrdom and 50,000 rupees. He then sends them over to fight Jihad in India. We know he's efficient- he's sent thousands. Pretty much like how another org might pick up a poor kid from tribal areas and send them on a suicide mission within Pak. If you think he thinks Pak is an islamic state you're out of your head.

What a fun Zee news story those whp know groups in Kashmir know that HS has little to no control on what happens in Kashmir he is just outspoken the groups that work in Kashmir keep a distance from HS that is a fact

 

[Shaji Pappan]

Lets not derail this thread to Kashmir we have other threads for that

Just given an example..
Will give an another example.. Compared to Pakistan India has more fertile soil for Islamic as well as Hindu terrorism.. Take Islamic radicalism.. There are many factors are there to stimulate extreamism.. It's big Muslim population of 200 million, Gujrat/ Mumbai riots, Kashmir, musafarabad etc etc.. The list is going on.. But we see very less radicalism in India.. Why?? Because everybody here know terrorism is a wrong way of expression..
For example last year one Kerala Muslim killed in Kashmir fighting Army.. The whole village ( muslim majority )refuced to take the body to their place.. His mother and relatives said they don't to see him.. Whole Muslim community in Kerala stood against terrorism.. If such a mentality grow in Pakistan, there will be no terrorist attack will take place in Pakistan, although other countries try to do that..

 

[Guynextdoor2]

What a fun Zee news story those whp know groups in Kashmir know that HS has little to no control on what happens in Kashmir he is just outspoken the groups that work in Kashmir keep a distance from HS that is a fact

and that's how you start with a good premise and end up not solving anything.

 

[R Wing]

It is good to see that many patriots on this forum are on the same page, and some of the Indian posters are also posting mature and encouraging msgs in this thread.

I think we can all agree that:
1.) We need to de-radicalize entire generations --- it might take 15 years or more but it has to start now and must include an aggressive counter-narrative campaign that exposes how un-Islamic the methods of these terrorists are, with a special focus on the warped and misguided concept of takfeer (declaring another Muslim a heretic / non-Muslim) which forms the basis of TTP/LeJ/ISIS brainwashing. Massive billboards, ads in print media, public service msgs on the radio and TV should all focus on examples of tolerance in the Islamic tradition. ZERO TOLERANCE for any so-called scholar, mufti, mullah (or whatever other flavors there are) who either supports the actions of terrorists or doesn't openly condemn them.

2.) Raise the cost for foreign intelligence agencies to support these terrorists. Instil the fear of consequences in them. This will mean building the capacity and balls to carry out covert cross-border ops.

3.) Improve overall governance / merit in all state institutions and revamp the judicial system so less people feel so disenfranchised by the system.

4.) Continue killing anyone who takes up arms against the State and every single person who supports them (logistically, financially, etc.).

None of these are easy or quick, but we must do them.

 

[Zibago]

and that's how you start with a good premise and end up not solving anything.

If you divert it to Kashmir and seperatist issues in Kashmir the thread will be derailed to a discussion of a different genre

 

[Techy Hassan]

We can open modern private institutes where people could send their children to learn recitation of Quran. That's all, give people and option and madrassas will be declined. Or the same private schools that children go could start evening Quran recitation classes...

 

[Guynextdoor2]

If you divert it to Kashmir and seperatist issues in Kashmir the thread will be derailed to a discussion of a different genre

you can't cure a cancer in one part of the body and keep it alive elsewhere.

 

[VCheng]

It is quite telling that your post is liked more by Indians than by Pakistanis. Eh @Syed.Ali.Haider

Truth knows no nationality, but, then again, self-deusion knows no nationality either.

I have been telling things like they truly are for years now, but nobody seems to listen. Now the inevitable results are slowly coming to the fore. It is time to watch the last few Acts.