Uyghurs Who Fled China Now Face Repression in Pakistan

[waz]

On topic no one should be hounded or sent back if they have committed no crime.
At the same time they shouldn’t engage in activity that hurts the interests of two strong allies.

 

[T-SaGe]

As the moderator declared, this is not a place where can criticize Pakistani people or questionin its state policies toward China. Mods rightly cares about Pakistan's national interests and uncomfortable with discourses that would harm it.

And as an Oghuz Turk and a cognate of the mentioned nation; The fact that this issue is brought to the agenda on such platforms bothers me in two ways.

Firstly, I am extremely uncomfortable with the US using this humanity issue as a leverage tool within its national interests against China. Historically, this problem has been going on for generations. However, in most of these periods, it did not even come to the fore in any part of the world. When China started to make its global power felt, the whole world started to have an idea about Uyghurs. Historically, Canada has accepted large numbers of refugees, outside Turkey. That made them a little more sensitive, that's all.

Second, because of what I wrote first, it is not possible to provide a tolerant and healthy discussion environment without being insulted or deal with spammers. Even if you don't mind it, you'll have to step back after mods intervened by the end of day.

I think there is no point in having these discussions taking place here.

 

[obj 705A]

To save others from wasting their time on watching the video:

it's about two guys one middle aged and another older one, for most of the video he throws the same recycled accusations about China that we hear from the BBC without actually giving any evidence to back up his claims (he doesn't give anything new that wasn't said before), then some Vice narrator repeats the same old accusations every now and then. Then the guy says CPEC was bad because his shop closed after CPEC treaties were signed and that his passport was taken.

He says he teaches kids about culture and that is why Pakistani authorities closed his business, most likely he was promoting anti-China hate speech, Pakistan doesn't want to become a haven for CIA agents which makes sense.

Oh and by the way the video has the obligatory horror soundtrack that has to play in every western propaganda video about China.

go full retard and start a war against Uyghurs and Islam.

The only one that went full retard and waged war on Islam and Muslims is your beloved homeland America and it's allies, Zionist news media pretends to love muslims and you present their words as evidence.

 

[Indos]

To save others from wasting their time on watching the video:

it's about two guys one middle aged and another older one, for most of the video he throws the same recycled accusations about China that we hear from the BBC without actually giving any evidence to back up his claims (he doesn't give anything new that wasn't said before), then some Vice narrator repeats the same old accusations every now and then. Then the guy says CPEC was bad because his shop closed after CPEC treaties were signed and that his passport was taken.

He says he teaches kids about culture and that is why Pakistani authorities closed his business, most likely he was promoting anti-China hate speech, Pakistan doesn't want to become a haven for CIA agents which makes sense.

Oh and by the way the video has the obligatory horror soundtrack that has to play in every western propaganda video about China.


The only one that went full retard and waged war on Islam and Muslims is your beloved homeland America and it's allies, Zionist news media pretends to love muslims and you present their words as evidence.

Uigyur becomes problem after terrorism increased there and Han Chinese being attacked and killed. And then Xi Jin Ping comes with harsh respond that target all conservative Muslim since they found all terrorist comes from this group.

So basically CCP try to punish whole community, something similar like what is happening in Srilanka. This is wrong.

As US and allied nations keep pressuring China over Uigyur, I fell blessed regardless their real intention to separate China with Muslim world. The pressure could make CCP revert the policy as China will likely to think that if current policy still continue, it can lose support from Muslim world.

We dont know the real situation until China open Xin Jiang for investigation from OIC countries delegation while previous investigation from Muslim organization including Indonesia faced so many limitation from China government.

 

[striver44]

So now you have moved to insulting Pakistan directly, just as many had predicted.

We didn't condemn you when your country stepped in to sell palm oil on an emergency basis to India, after they have stripped the rights of the Kashmiris away and made the place into the world's largest prison.
Your nation sent musicians to Ayodhya India where the Babri Mosque was destroyed to perform a "Ram Lila", celebration of Raam's life. Also these artists were all Muslim, we didn't call you out for it.

Muslim artistes from Indonesia to perform Ram Lila in Ayodhya

Muslim artistes from Indonesia to perform Ram Lila in Ayodhya

www.freepressjournal.in

Your final warning.
If you want to preach about fighting for the rights of people start with your own nation first. Don't come on here questioning the identity of Pakistan.

that's not an insult.


Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on) issued a fatwa concerning those who joined the Tatars and fought the Muslims, stating that such a person was an apostate, and he said:

If the Sahaabah called those who withheld zakaah apostates – even though they fasted and prayed, and did not fight the main body of the Muslims – then how about those who have joined the enemies of Allah and His Messenger to fight the Muslims?

Pakistan as well as most of the muslim majority nations like Indonesia, Turkey, S. Arabia are accomplice in one of the most evil persecution against one ethinic people and religion in the 21st century, the fact that this happens in the 21st century will continue to haunt us.

and this doesn't only apply to the Uyghurs too, somewhat applies to the Palestinians, Kashmiri, Syrians etc.

 

[waz]

that's not an insult.


Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on) issued a fatwa concerning those who joined the Tatars and fought the Muslims, stating that such a person was an apostate, and he said:

If the Sahaabah called those who withheld zakaah apostates – even though they fasted and prayed, and did not fight the main body of the Muslims – then how about those who have joined the enemies of Allah and His Messenger to fight the Muslims?

Pakistan as well as most of the muslim majority nations like Indonesia, Turkey, S. Arabia are accomplice in one of the evil persecution against one ethinic people and religion in the 21st century, the fact that this happens in the 21st century will continue to haunt us.

and this doesn't only apply to the Uyghurs too, somewhat applies to the Palestinians, Kashmiri, Syrians etc.

If that's your stance then I respect that as you didn't leave anyone out.

 

[Indos]

Kashmir issue should be discussed in OIC as Indonesia alone is not enough to pressure India, but we did make a diplomatic pressure during Delhi riots

Indonesia summons Indian envoy over sectarian violence in Delhi - The Statesman

The Indonesian Foreign Ministry said it had called Indian Ambassador in Jakarta Pradeep Kumar Rawat on Friday to discuss the riots.

www.thestatesman.com

 

[redtom]

As I said last year, the ultimate target of the U.S. propaganda on Xinjiang is not China, but the Muslim countries that are friendly with China. The Democratic Party's preference is to fund and foment rebellion.

In the next few years, we can expect to see democratic movements in many countries.

 

[denel]

Uigyur becomes problem after terrorism increased there and Han Chinese being attacked and killed. And then Xi Jin Ping comes with harsh respond that target all conservative Muslim since they found all terrorist comes from this group.

So basically CCP try to punish whole community, something similar like what is happening in Srilanka. This is wrong.

As US and allied nations keep pressuring China over Uigyur, I fell blessed regardless their real intention to separate China with Muslim world. The pressure could make CCP revert the policy as China will likely to think that if current policy still continue, it can lose support from Muslim world.

We dont know the real situation until China open Xin Jiang for investigation from OIC countries delegation while previous investigation from Muslim organization including Indonesia faced so many limitation from China government.

That is the issue - Xi is their new Mao - he has been hell bent on any means necessary to destroy Uighurs in particular. What is bizarre - this new emperor is unlike others - historically china invited muslims and let them settle.
We pray and make duaa for their darkness to be lifted. They have no god but only communism.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia Is Not Silent On Uighur: Foreign Minister

BY :NUR YASMIN

DECEMBER 27, 2019

​

Jakarta. Indonesia has been actively communicating with China on Uighur issues to raise concern about freedom of religion among the Muslim-majority ethnic group in China's westernmost Xinjiang province, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said on Friday.

The Indonesian government and moderate Islamic groups like Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah have been in the spotlights in the past weeks for their perceived silence over alleged persecution against the Uighur ethnic group.

Retno said she met with her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Dec. 16 and Chinese Ambassador for Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday.

“We have been communicating continuously with the Chinese government to express and request information regarding the situation,” Retno said after attending a meeting at the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs’ compound in Central Jakarta.

She said Indonesia is actively engaging diplomatic measures on the issue.

“We had a pretty long talk with the [Chinese] foreign minister, and we stressed about the importance of freedom of religion. So, it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record,” Retno said.

Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Mahfud MD said earlier that Indonesia will not intervene in China’s inernal affairs.

“Soft diplomacy means we do not intervene. We summoned the ambassador, that’s soft diplomacy,” Mahfud said in Jakarta on Wednesday.

On Friday afternoon, thousands of Islamic protesters including members of the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) staged a ralli in front of the Chinese Embassy on Jalan Rasuna Said, Jakarta.

The protesters accused the Chinese government for prohibiting the Uighur Muslims from performing prayers. They also called for a boycott on Chinese products.

The Chinese government has repeatedly denied oppressing the Muslim minority in Xinjiang, saying that the media had exaggerated reports on the Uighur ethnic group.

In a meeting with a group of Indonesian media chief editors in Urumqi, Xinjiang, last month, Deputy Governor Arken Tuniyazi alleged that foreigners had no accurate knowledge about situations in the province.

"The ones who know best the size of our shoes are us," Arken said.

Arken said the Chinese government doesn’t ban its citizens from observing their religions and faiths, but stern measures were needed to counter terrorism and radicalism.

Indonesia Is Not Silent On Uighur: Foreign Minister

The Chinese government has repeatedly denied oppressing the Muslim minority in Xinjiang.

jakartaglobe.id

 

[Maira La]

@Itachi has this weird obsession about China. It's unusual for a Pakistani to be this much anti-China. Almost all his posts are about China. Is he really Pakistani? He seems to have a particular agenda.
@khansaheeb @waz @Dalit

 

[striver44]

Indonesia Is Not Silent On Uighur: Foreign Minister

BY :NUR YASMIN

DECEMBER 27, 2019

​

Jakarta. Indonesia has been actively communicating with China on Uighur issues to raise concern about freedom of religion among the Muslim-majority ethnic group in China's westernmost Xinjiang province, Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said on Friday.

The Indonesian government and moderate Islamic groups like Nahdlatul Ulama and Muhammadiyah have been in the spotlights in the past weeks for their perceived silence over alleged persecution against the Uighur ethnic group.

Retno said she met with her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Dec. 16 and Chinese Ambassador for Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday.

“We have been communicating continuously with the Chinese government to express and request information regarding the situation,” Retno said after attending a meeting at the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs’ compound in Central Jakarta.

She said Indonesia is actively engaging diplomatic measures on the issue.

“We had a pretty long talk with the [Chinese] foreign minister, and we stressed about the importance of freedom of religion. So, it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record,” Retno said.

Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Mahfud MD said earlier that Indonesia will not intervene in China’s inernal affairs.

“Soft diplomacy means we do not intervene. We summoned the ambassador, that’s soft diplomacy,” Mahfud said in Jakarta on Wednesday.

On Friday afternoon, thousands of Islamic protesters including members of the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) staged a ralli in front of the Chinese Embassy on Jalan Rasuna Said, Jakarta.

The protesters accused the Chinese government for prohibiting the Uighur Muslims from performing prayers. They also called for a boycott on Chinese products.

The Chinese government has repeatedly denied oppressing the Muslim minority in Xinjiang, saying that the media had exaggerated reports on the Uighur ethnic group.

In a meeting with a group of Indonesian media chief editors in Urumqi, Xinjiang, last month, Deputy Governor Arken Tuniyazi alleged that foreigners had no accurate knowledge about situations in the province.

"The ones who know best the size of our shoes are us," Arken said.

Arken said the Chinese government doesn’t ban its citizens from observing their religions and faiths, but stern measures were needed to counter terrorism and radicalism.

Indonesia Is Not Silent On Uighur: Foreign Minister

The Chinese government has repeatedly denied oppressing the Muslim minority in Xinjiang.

jakartaglobe.id

haha, if only we could stop colluding with China repatriating innocent Uighurs.

 

[Itachi]

OK Hindjew in disguise, we want real evidence and not your "he said she said" crap. China has pulled the Uyghurs out of the medieval age and improved their standard and quality of living. Every country has terrorists and China is no exception and China will deal with them in their own way just as the US , India and Pakistan do.

Lmao....not the first time I been called that.....

You either google it or search this forum. I have already posted enough evidence. There's at least 4 testimonies in the video.

You know the rules of Islam right?? 4 testimonies.

You calling your fellow Muslims "terrorists" just because China called them that is very deplorable and despicable. You're no different than the same Muslims who after 9/11 who sided with the West against fellow innocent Muslims.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Lmao...."trying to rescue Uyghurs from backwardness and savagery" what backwardness and savagery???

This backwardness and savagery

China has restored to the Uighur their culture, before the Wahhabi invasion

So now that we've settled that, how many million Muslims have your American masters killed? What's your blood temperature about that?

 

[Itachi]

@Itachi has this weird obsession about China. It's unusual for a Pakistani to be this much anti-China. Almost all his posts are about China. Is he really Pakistani? He seems to have a particular agenda.
@khansaheeb @waz @Dalit

I can Skype/Facetime with the mods and post my US & Pakistani passport. Why's a Bengali on fire??