New China-Pakistan Axis Undermines U.S. in Afghanistan - Claims US Media

[Baby Leone]

I guess US maybe planning regime change for Pakistan.

Not possible

 

[Beast]

Not possible

You never know US. They are always full of themselves.

 

[Dalit]

Still blaming Pakistan. There is not a good word that ever came out of an American mouth regarding Pakistan.

As for China Pak relations, I am glad the Americans got the message.

 

[Microsoft]

There'll never be any kind of open hostility between the two countries and this whole issue won't undermine even a single defense-related project between Turkey and Pakistan but you can see changing dynamics already.

The 'special bond' between Turkey and Pakistan is fading away and slowly turning into a 'work relationship' due to the fact that the Pakistani government(s) has/ve surrendered the country to China's mercy. Pakistan has effectively become a vassal state of Beijing. I mean, Turkey - a NATO member - has more freedoms to act the way she wants than Pakistan being in a golden prison built by the Chinese.

Up until now, Pakistan did a successful job balancing between Turkish interests in East Turkistan and China's genocidal policies. However, you can see that the IK government is prioritizing China's position, thus, crossing a small border which they usually refused to do so.

This process isn't set in stone, though. It can change.

From my perspective, Pakistan is putting all of her eggs in one basket and this is a factually wrong foreign policy. They get closer to China in an environment where more and more nations become hostile towards Beijing and start questioning them.

Time will show.

A lot of it is due to Pakistan's current situation and corruption/Pakistan population is to blame. Consider Pakistan's insurmountable debt, belligerent neighbors, pandemic, and internal issues. China's CPEC is akin to the artery keeping blood flowing throughout the country. Without China-Pakistan cooperation Pakistan population would be in a very difficult spot to even help themselves let alone Muslims in Xinjiang. I'm not here to make excuses and I think Pakistan's leadership in last 3-4 decades is to blame for this but there is no other option in the current state.

However Pakistan still has plenty of freedom to do as it chooses because not all the eggs are in one basket. There have been lots of claims of Pakistan being vassal state for Saudis, or US now it's China's turn but at the end of the day Pakistan has to look out for Pakistan's needs.

 

[Feng Leng]

Pakistan is not only China's gateway to the Islamic world, Pakistan is China's gateway to the monotheistic Abrahamic religion world.

For a country like China completely isolated from the rest of the world, which is largely monotheistic and Abrahamic, the relationship with Pakistan is absolutely a core interest.

It is similar, in fact, to the role that Hong Kong played from the Opium War until 2019. Hong Kong was China's "window to the world".

 

[cloud4000]

Undermine US in Afghanistan? Lol the US already lost in Afghanistan, they tried for 2 decades but failed. Also its funny and ironic to see US and india talk about uighur muslims. Not a single muslim in the world is taking it seriously.

Same reason no one takes Pakistan's position on Kashmir seriously, no one wants to upset India. Being big and powerful has its privileges, just ask China.

 

[Dalit]

Does India US partership in Afghanistan undermine Pakistan? Have the Americans thought about this before making accusations?

 

[TNT]

Same reason no one takes Pakistan's position on Kashmir seriously, no one wants to upset India. Being big and powerful has its privileges, just ask China.

Yes but will those countries come to india's aid when we take Kashmir by force? Or will they still keep ignoring it.

 

[Zarvan]

There'll never be any kind of open hostility between the two countries and this whole issue won't undermine even a single defense-related project between Turkey and Pakistan but you can see changing dynamics already.

The 'special bond' between Turkey and Pakistan is fading away and slowly turning into a 'work relationship' due to the fact that the Pakistani government(s) has/ve surrendered the country to China's mercy. Pakistan has effectively become a vassal state of Beijing. I mean, Turkey - a NATO member - has more freedoms to act the way she wants than Pakistan being in a golden prison built by the Chinese.

Up until now, Pakistan did a successful job balancing between Turkish interests in East Turkistan and China's genocidal policies. However, you can see that the IK government is prioritizing China's position, thus, crossing a small border which they usually refused to do so.

This process isn't set in stone, though. It can change.

From my perspective, Pakistan is putting all of her eggs in one basket and this is a factually wrong foreign policy. They get closer to China in an environment where more and more nations become hostile towards Beijing and start questioning them.

Time will show.

Pakistan and Turkey relationship is not getting affected in fact you will even see further improved Pakistan USA relationship. We know this game very well. It's childish to assume that just because we have strong and growing relations with one country all other relations would get affected. Pakistan and Turkey relations have never been better than what they are today and will see further growth in coming years. Those who think otherwise are either biased or too naive about both history and totally lack understanding of Pakistani mindset.

 

[Zulfiqar]

People should take a hint from the updated map.

We are synergizing our efforts with China. Pakistan and China have decided to cut down India to size because India does not want to be a good neighbor ( QUAD against china and involvement in Balochistan/AFG to put pressure from our western front). You can choose friends but not neighbors. All those bear hugs to encourage isolation of Pakistan have been wasted.

QUAD ain't going to come help India and US after wasting 20 yrs in AFG is packing bags now. It is time for Pakistan and China to consolidate our gains in AFG and focus on Kashmir to get concessions from India to resolve Kashmir dispute once and for all. Kashmir valley+Siachen to Pakistan. Jammu to India and trifurcation of ladakh. Siachen will be back in the news in coming years.

BTW china plays a long game. CPEC may be new but china has been strengthening Pakistan's militiary industrial complex for decades now. I have seen it with my own eyes. Their support has been critical in many of our strategic programs.

Xi isn't going to be here forever. He has found perfect partner in current government to further solidify gains in this region (special thanks to modi as well for turning on the self destruct switch). Next few years are going to be quite critical.

 

[Dalit]

Same reason no one takes Pakistan's position on Kashmir seriously, no one wants to upset India. Being big and powerful has its privileges, just ask China.

You are mistaken. When China and Pakistan are going to do the inevitable, quad and Anglo-Saxon nations aren't going to be there for India.

The recent massacre of Indian soldiers should have been an eye opener for you. US, France, UK, Australia and Japan were all spectators.

China and Pakistan are one when it comes to tackling India. Make no mistake about this.

The Americans are correct. Pakistan and China are united in Afghanistan. The Americans have no place in Afghanistan. We will wait another 100 years if we have to. The US will have to exit Afghanistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

China developed gun powder....

Three Turkic Muslim Empires - Ottoman, Safavid and Mughal - strongly emerged by successfully using the gun powder....

 

[TNT]

There'll never be any kind of open hostility between the two countries and this whole issue won't undermine even a single defense-related project between Turkey and Pakistan but you can see changing dynamics already.

The 'special bond' between Turkey and Pakistan is fading away and slowly turning into a 'work relationship' due to the fact that the Pakistani government(s) has/ve surrendered the country to China's mercy. Pakistan has effectively become a vassal state of Beijing. I mean, Turkey - a NATO member - has more freedoms to act the way she wants than Pakistan being in a golden prison built by the Chinese.

Up until now, Pakistan did a successful job balancing between Turkish interests in East Turkistan and China's genocidal policies. However, you can see that the IK government is prioritizing China's position, thus, crossing a small border which they usually refused to do so.

This process isn't set in stone, though. It can change.

From my perspective, Pakistan is putting all of her eggs in one basket and this is a factually wrong foreign policy. They get closer to China in an environment where more and more nations become hostile towards Beijing and start questioning them.

Time will show.

I beg to disagree. Infact the contrary is happening. Pakistan and Turkish relations go way back and our relationship was good even with military rule and secular rule in Turkey. The relationship is strong even though we have good relations with saudi and UAE. The more important aspect would be the saudi/UAE relations and not pak china relations. Turkey itself is enhancing relations with china. As Turkey relations sour with west, it would want new and good relations with China. Pakistan infact will play a crucial role here and it already is. Also know that Pakistan have discussed the uighur issue with china but in private. Pakistani Islamic scholars have even went to china for this. In any case, good Turkish and Chinese relations will actually help solve any Uighur issues. China will be willing to address much if it trusts Turkey. In recent times Pakistan Turkish relations have strengthened, our defense cooperation have expanded many folds. The IK govt is now giving Turkish media a base in Pakistan and soon ull see Turkish media getting stakes in Pakistan. The economic relations are also increasing and so are the people to people contacts.

 

[truthseeker2010]

... to whomever can stabilize the country.

For the love of trillions of dollars wasted, a decade of war and conflict, hundreds of thousands killed in Afghanistan ...

Loss of superpower status, economy losing its competitivness, eroding infrastructure, dysfuctional healthcare, rising income inequalities. Thats post wot US for you

 

[Baby Leone]

You never know US. They are always full of themselves.

i said not possible even irrespective of what US wants or do.