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It was reported by The Australian

Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | July 11, 2008

US commandos are reportedly poised to launch raids against al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets in Pakistan as Washington moves an aircraft carrier into the Arabian Sea.

US commandos are reportedly poised to launch raids against al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets in Pakistan as Washington moves an aircraft carrier into the Arabian Sea.

The redeployment of the Abraham Lincoln and its escort vessels from the Gulf yesterday came after US military intelligence officials recorded an increase in the number of foreign fighters travelling to Pakistan's tribal areas to join with militants.

A US military spokesman told the The New York Times there had been a corresponding drop in the number of foreign fighters entering Iraq -- now less than 40 a month, compared with up to 110 a month one year ago -- and that "the flow may reflect a change that is making Pakistan, not Iraq, the preferred destination for some Sunni extremists from the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia seeking to take up arms against the West".

The officials say the influx shows a strengthening of al-Qa'ida forces in the tribal areas, a key base of support for the Taliban.

The paper reported that jihadist websites were encouraging foreign militants to go to Pakistan and Afghanistan, which was considered a "winning fight," compared with the insurgency in Iraq.

Three US congressmen back from a trip to the region revealed yesterday they were briefed about US plans to stage raids against targets in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, where most of the militancy feeding the insurgency in Afghanistan is believed to be based.

The congressmen said plans for heightened US military operations were in response to Pakistan's failure to disrupt terrorist training camps and cross-border attacks blamed for the almost 40per cent increase in Taliban attacks in Afghanistan in recent months. Attacks in Afghanistan in June exceeded those in Iraq.

Pakistan's new democratic Government has insisted it would not allow cross-border raids into its territory by any country.

One of the congressmen was quoted as saying: "If we don't do something now, they're going to strike us again (in the US), and it is going to be out of this area."

Democrat Henry Cuellar added: "Either Pakistan does more or we will be taking things into our own hands. If our troops are fired on, there will be hot pursuit into that territory."

Frustration with Pakistan spilled over at the UN yesterday when Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta told the Security Council that a key reason for the worsening security in his country was "the de facto truce" in Pakistan's tribal areas.

The new Government in Islamabad began talks with Islamic militants in the region soon after winning elections in February, including with Taliban warlord Baitullah Mehsud, who was blamed by the previous government and the US for the December assassination of former Pakistani premier Benazir Bhutto.

"One of the main factors contributing to the deterioration of the security situation in the country is the de facto truce in the tribal areas beyond the border," Mr Spanta said.

A secret agreement between the US and President Pervez Musharraf to allow US special forces to enter Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists in the FATA region is said to have stalled under the new administration in Islamabad.

Jihadi forces have promised to increase suicide bombings if it co-operates with coalition operations in Pakistan.

Additional reporting: AFP
 
It is reported by The Australian

Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | July 11, 2008

US commandos are reportedly poised to launch raids against al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets in Pakistan as Washington moves an aircraft carrier into the Arabian Sea.

The redeployment of the Abraham Lincoln and its escort vessels from the Gulf yesterday came after US military intelligence officials recorded an increase in the number of foreign fighters travelling to Pakistan's tribal areas to join with militants.

A US military spokesman told the The New York Times there had been a corresponding drop in the number of foreign fighters entering Iraq -- now less than 40 a month, compared with up to 110 a month one year ago -- and that "the flow may reflect a change that is making Pakistan, not Iraq, the preferred destination for some Sunni extremists from the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia seeking to take up arms against the West".

The officials say the influx shows a strengthening of al-Qa'ida forces in the tribal areas, a key base of support for the Taliban.

The paper reported that jihadist websites were encouraging foreign militants to go to Pakistan and Afghanistan, which was considered a "winning fight," compared with the insurgency in Iraq.

Three US congressmen back from a trip to the region revealed yesterday they were briefed about US plans to stage raids against targets in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, where most of the militancy feeding the insurgency in Afghanistan is believed to be based.

The congressmen said plans for heightened US military operations were in response to Pakistan's failure to disrupt terrorist training camps and cross-border attacks blamed for the almost 40per cent increase in Taliban attacks in Afghanistan in recent months. Attacks in Afghanistan in June exceeded those in Iraq.

Pakistan's new democratic Government has insisted it would not allow cross-border raids into its territory by any country.

One of the congressmen was quoted as saying: "If we don't do something now, they're going to strike us again (in the US), and it is going to be out of this area."

Democrat Henry Cuellar added: "Either Pakistan does more or we will be taking things into our own hands. If our troops are fired on, there will be hot pursuit into that territory."

Frustration with Pakistan spilled over at the UN yesterday when Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta told the Security Council that a key reason for the worsening security in his country was "the de facto truce" in Pakistan's tribal areas.

The new Government in Islamabad began talks with Islamic militants in the region soon after winning elections in February, including with Taliban warlord Baitullah Mehsud, who was blamed by the previous government and the US for the December assassination of former Pakistani premier Benazir Bhutto.

"One of the main factors contributing to the deterioration of the security situation in the country is the de facto truce in the tribal areas beyond the border," Mr Spanta said.

A secret agreement between the US and President Pervez Musharraf to allow US special forces to enter Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists in the FATA region is said to have stalled under the new administration in Islamabad.

Jihadi forces have promised to increase suicide bombings if it co-operates with coalition operations in Pakistan.

Additional reporting: AFP
 
Who runs these jihadist websites? CIA? Mossad? MI6? RAW? If these truly were jihadi websites then their owners could easily be tracked down and put out of business but all these countries are just letting the jihadi websites operate without any problem.

A bad website with child **** of pirated software can be shut down in hours yet these "jihadi websites" are allowed to keep functioning year after year!
 
It is reported by Daily Times Pakistan

US army chief says Pakistan govt needs to crack down on insurgent safe havens

By Khalid Hasan
Saturday, July 12, 2008

WASHINGTON: United States Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen will be in Pakistan to “read the riot act” to the government and express his country’s frustration with Islamabad’s lack of ability or willingness, or both, to move decisively against terrorist groups.

A well-informed source, when asked if US patience with what it sees as Pakistani “flip-flop and procrastination” is running out, said: “It is very close to that.” When it does, the world will see unilateral US military action, covert and overt, in the Tribal Areas. Actionable intelligence, when received, will be acted upon immediately, “with or without Pakistan”, he added.

Washington’s frustration is compounded by its inability to perceive who is “calling the shots” in Islamabad. It wants an effective government in the country and would prefer to have Pakistan People’s Party Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari return to Dubai; the governing coalition reinstated with the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz back in cabinet; the judges’ issue resolved; and a workable relationship established with the army high command.

But more than anything, Washington wants Pakistan to decide whose side its on. The administration believes that the present state of drift, with selective peace deals and continuing terrorism, is helping nobody.

Safe havens: Separately, Mullen told reporters in Kabul that Pakistan’s government needed to crack down on insurgent safe havens in the Tribal Areas as more foreign fighters, including Al Qaeda, were operating along the Pak-Afghan border, AP reported.
 
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So besides the routine killings of civilians, militants and the occasional killings of Pakistani security personnel in FATA we can expect to see casualties of US special forces in FATA because if the missions are covert and stealthy then they probably will not be able to provide them the best air cover either.

I'm not an expert in the rules of war but from what I gather if the SFs do not wear uniforms then they can easily be shot at without it becoming a diplomatic issue. I am assuming the US is not going to declare war on Pakistan officially. Very confusing situation actually, we know the Frontier Corps is going to shoot any infiltrators, especially those without air cover or official uniforms. Even choppers will probably be shot at unless the Pak military tells the FC in advance not to shoot...but how is that possible if the missions are secret? :undecided:
 
I'm not an expert in the rules of war but from what I gather if the SFs do not wear uniforms then they can easily be shot at without it becoming a diplomatic issue. I am assuming the US is not going to declare war on Pakistan officially. Very confusing situation actually, we know the Frontier Corps is going to shoot any infiltrators, especially those without air cover or official uniforms. Even choppers will probably be shot at unless the Pak military tells the FC in advance not to shoot...but how is that possible if the missions are secret? :undecided:

Good point. I like it!! If the Americans are gonna come into Pakistan, then they are fair game.....I say lets bust out that shot gun and hunt a few yanks!
 
Good point. I like it!! If the Americans are gonna come into Pakistan, then they are fair game.....I say lets bust out that shot gun and hunt a few yanks!

The tribesmen (non Taliban) are already saying that if the GoP doesn't do something then they will.

This will turn very fast from fighting the Taliban to fighting the residents of FATA - all conveniently clubbed into the label of 'Taliban' of course.

It doesn't seem that the US military has any understanding of the intricacies of the problem on the Pakistani side, and resorting to unilateral attacks, especially incursions by troops on the ground, is only going to exacerbate them.

Gen. McNeill's comments were illuminating from that POV.

His characterization of the situation was correct - the Pakistani government is dysfunctional, the local paramilitaries are not the best trained or disciplined, and in some cases are probably more loyal to Tribe and ethnicity, than to fighting any WoT.

However, his approach to resolving those problems illustrates the depth of disconnect and lack of understanding at the higher levels of US leadership at the moment.

His solution was that the regular military should be deployed - which fails to take into account the unpopularity, tensions and perception amongst Pakistanis that the military is what got us into the mess in the first place.

Instead of showing patience and encouraging the continued capacity building of the FC, he declined to endorse the plan. The FATA development plan, a key part of the GoP's policy to reduce recruits and support for the insurgency, is most likely hung up in Congress because of similar "objections".

The American side seems to be viewing FATA as if it is detached from Pakistan, as if the actions there will have no repercussions in the rest of Pakistan.
 
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US commandos are reportedly poised to launch raids against al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets in Pakistan as Washington moves an aircraft carrier into the Arabian Sea.

This is getting a bit too serious!
 
Good point. I like it!! If the Americans are gonna come into Pakistan, then they are fair game.....I say lets bust out that shot gun and hunt a few yanks!

..and you're going to be on the frontline doing the busting no doubts, right? :disagree:
 
I say its time for the tribal to pay for there refusal to help GOP and keep offering help to Terrorist.
 
Allied forces advance on Pak-Afghan borders
Updated at: 1320 PST, Tuesday, July 15, 2008


PESHAWAR: Allied troops’ movement on Pak-Afghan borders in North and South Waziristan has geared up.

Hundreds of Allied troops armed with their choppers, tanks, mortars and high-tech weapons have arrived at the Pak-Afghan borders, while the tribesmen viewing the situation threatening have started shifting from the bordering areas. Sources said that hundreds of Allied troops armed with their helicopters, tanks, mortars and high-tech weapons have started arriving since last night near the bordering areas Ghulam Khan, Shawal, Amir Chapsar and Alwara. Allied forces warplanes were also seen hovering over these areas, sources said.

Following the arrival of Allied troops and hovering of the aircrafts in the sky, the tribesmen fearing the worst have started evacuating these bordering areas. On the other hand, Utmanzai tribe leader, Haji Muhammad Afzal has announced in a Jirga that if the Allied forces dared to step in the tribal land, then the 2 million strong tribesmen would forcefully retaliate with shrouds wrapped on their heads.

Allied forces advance on Pak-Afghan borders

Hi All,
New development on Pak Afghan border.
Regards,
 
America simply doesn't trust Pakistan, despite our sacrifices to help them.
 
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Allied forces advance on Pak-Afghan borders
Updated at: 1320 PST, Tuesday, July 15, 2008


PESHAWAR: Allied troops’ movement on Pak-Afghan borders in North and South Waziristan has geared up.

Hundreds of Allied troops armed with their choppers, tanks, mortars and high-tech weapons have arrived at the Pak-Afghan borders, while the tribesmen viewing the situation threatening have started shifting from the bordering areas. Sources said that hundreds of Allied troops armed with their helicopters, tanks, mortars and high-tech weapons have started arriving since last night near the bordering areas Ghulam Khan, Shawal, Amir Chapsar and Alwara. Allied forces warplanes were also seen hovering over these areas, sources said.

Following the arrival of Allied troops and hovering of the aircrafts in the sky, the tribesmen fearing the worst have started evacuating these bordering areas. On the other hand, Utmanzai tribe leader, Haji Muhammad Afzal has announced in a Jirga that if the Allied forces dared to step in the tribal land, then the 2 million strong tribesmen would forcefully retaliate with shrouds wrapped on their heads.

Allied forces advance on Pak-Afghan borders

Hi All,
New development on Pak Afghan border.
Regards,

What???
Is this America and NATO?
Why are they doing it?
 
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