U.S. asks Vietnam to stop helping Russian bomber flights

[BoQ77]

Not new, they have 18 of the Ohio class and a number of them are always patrolling, but they don't usually say where, that's what is new, that's all.

Despite of Cam Ranh is a naval/airbase, especially submarine base, it is famous as an important harbor, not an airbase.

Compare to American could always send their B1, B2, Ohio-class to Subic, Singapore, Japan... The support by give permission to IL-78 ( not Tu-95 ) to land on Cam Ranh airbase is just a piece of cake. Russian wouldn't need IL-78 if they get permission to land their Tu-95 on Cam Ranh base, like before. ( Cam Ranh ever been base of Soviet Union Tu-95, and nuclear submarines )

The request of American is a warning to intercept the potential of re-station the Southeast Asia base of Russia.

Soviet Union Tu-95 in Cam ranh ( regular force 4 Tu-95, 4 Tu142, 20 Tu-16, 15 Mig 23/25, nuclear submarine, ASW, ... )

Nuclear sub 671RTM in Cam Ranh

Minsk

Yak-38 - vertical landing on Minsk ( in Cam Ranh )

B-52 vs Minsk

Tu-16 escorted by F-14

 

[NiceGuy]

Despite of Cam Ranh is a naval/airbase, especially submarine base, it is famous as an important harbor, not an airbase.

Compare to American could always send their B1, B2, Ohio-class to Subic, Singapore, Japan... The support by give permission to IL-78 ( not Tu-95 ) to land on Cam Ranh airbase is just a piece of cake. Russian wouldn't need IL-78 if they get permission to land their Tu-95 on Cam Ranh base, like before. ( Cam Ranh ever been base of Soviet Union Tu-95, and nuclear submarines )

The request of American is a warning to intercept the potential of re-station the Southeast Asia base of Russia.

Soviet Union Tu-95 in Cam ranh

If US dont come and offer VN some good benefits, I think we should continue to go along wt our big bro Russia. We may take the beauty Guam together in the future, who knows

 

[jhungary]

Yeah, we we chose to be on Russia's side and let their bomber keep threatening your beauty Guam

lol, you talk as if Guam is anything important??

US lost Guam to the Japanese during WW2, Japan control GUAM for the most part of WW2, kindly remind me who won the WW2 in the pacific??

lol, go with Russia or China for all I care, as I said, Vietnam is a n non-factor to the SCS situation, US don't need it that bad, it's with the category of good to have. Not must have.

The whole point of containing china is not letting them go outside their sphere of influence, to do that you need to close the choke point to the pacific and to the Indian ocean, Japan and South Korea hold the chock point to northern pacific, Australia hold the chock point to South Pacific and Indian Ocean. Indonesia and India hold the choke point in sunder strait sand Andaman/Malacca strait choke point of the Indian Ocean.. No offence to Vietnam member here but Vietnam hold nothing... it's not in the strategic position to say or dictate term to either China or US.

 

[Carlosa]

point is, why US have to declare war??

The fact to the point is, US have the net already in place, it's the Chinese who wanted to break open the net, not the other way around.

As I said a numerous time already, US already accepted that China is part of Asia, and thus there will be influence, but it's China who still wish to dominate Asia. Plus the same can be true to say that to any Chinese member here, if you want a war with US, China will go back to eating bamboo rice and you can say goodbye to all these achievement. Most of you nationalist don't even think if a war broke out in Asia, China gonna suffer a lot more than US, as Chinese mainland is in Asia, while US mainland is not... When you ready to go back into living to poverty, then come talk to me about a war with US.

You can say whatever with economic might, money won't make you friend, if they do, then the world would be Japanese's to take in the 80s.

You know? as I see it, the US set up the chinese in SCS big time and the chinese, greedy as they always are, took the bait and walked right into the US trap.

In my view, the so called US passivity and neutrality in SCS is just something well planned, by their actions or lack of actions, they made themselves look as the good guys that are just reacting to china, they are passive, they are not looking for a fight, they are being very nice and patient with china.

China on the other hand behaved as the US expected, as a bully, keeps pushing the limits, keeps grabbing, etc, etc. So china already portrait itself as the bad boy; the oil rig and the land reclamation were the last 2 nails in the coffin for that. Everybody see china for what it is and everybody cries uncle and wants to get closer to USA, just what US intended.

Next step, UNCLOS resolution in January 2016 which is legally binding but with no enforcing mechanism. China will say "we don't care, we'll do whatever we want to do, we don't recognize it". Then US will get involved and teach china a lesson having the legal backing of the tribunal and the support from everybody in the region.

Opinions please.

 

[jhungary]

You know? as I see it, the US set up the chinese in SCS big time and the chinese, greedy as they always are, took the bait and walked right into the US trap.

In my view, the so called US passivity and neutrality in SCS is just a set up, they portrait themselves as the good guys that are just reacting to china, they are passive, they are not looking for a fight, they are being very nice and patient with china.

China on the other hand behaved as the US expected, as a bully, keeps pushing the limits, keeps grabbing, etc, etc. So china already portrait itself as the bad boy; the oil rig and the land reclamation were the last 2 nails in the coffin for that. Everybody see china for what it is and everybody cries uncle and wants to get closer to USA, just what US intended.

Next step, UNCLOS resolution in January 2016 which is legally binding but with no enforcing mechanism. China will say "we don't care, we'll do whatever we want to do, we don't recognize it". Then US will get involved and teach china a lesson having the legal backing of the tribunal/

Opinions please.

while your point is vaild, the point is, US cannot set up China if they do not have an outlandish claim like the 9 dot line. US can set up China all day but without Chinese themselves declaring the 9 dot line, the US can do jack shit...(pardon my French here)

US is not the good guy here, no one is, the only problem is, you want to let Chinese have its 9 dot line claim or you want to take thing what it already are?? And enjoy the status quo

Don't forget Vietnam actually border China, US wasn't, so for each step Vietnam took, they also need to think twice what that will happen to the balance with Vietnam mainland.

Personally, I don't want too much sway with Vietnam as it will push Russia to the brink, as at this moment, unless US have Indonesia support and Thailand actually shake up, there are no way US can counter a Russian China Alliance in Asia.

 

[NiceGuy]

lol, you talk as if Guam is anything important??

US lost Guam to the Japanese during WW2, Japan control GUAM for the most part of WW2, kindly remind me who won the WW2 in the pacific??

lol, go with Russia or China for all I care, as I said, Vietnam is a n non-factor to the SCS situation, US don't need it that bad, it's with the category of good to have. Not must have.

The whole point of containing china is not letting them go outside their sphere of influence, to do that you need to close the choke point to the pacific and to the Indian ocean, Japan and South Korea hold the chock point to northern pacific, Australia hold the chock point to South Pacific and Indian Ocean. Indonesia and India hold the choke point in sunder strait sand Andaman/Malacca strait choke point of the Indian Ocean.. No offence to Vietnam member here but Vietnam hold nothing... it's not in the strategic position to say or dictate term to either China or US.

Okay, then tell your US military officers to stop all collaborate wt VN, pls pack all of your stuffs and go home now, let's see what will happen when Russia take control of Guam, lets see if SK-JP-TW-Singapore etc still are US's allies or they will become Russia's allies

 

[Carlosa]

while your point is vaild, the point is, US cannot set up China if they do not have an outlandish claim like the 9 dot line. US can set up China all day but without Chinese themselves declaring the 9 dot line, the US can do jack shit...(pardon my French here)

US is not the good guy here, no one is, the only problem is, you want to let Chinese have its 9 dot line claim or you want to take thing what it already are?? And enjoy the status quo

Don't forget Vietnam actually border China, US wasn't, so for each step Vietnam took, they also need to think twice what that will happen to the balance with Vietnam mainland.

Personally, I don't want too much sway with Vietnam as it will push Russia to the brink, as at this moment, unless US have Indonesia support and Thailand actually shake up, there are no way US can counter a Russian China Alliance in Asia.

Of course, US set up china as a consequence of chinese actions, the chinese created the conditions for the set up and US only had to wait and let them drive themselves into the net, something which is easy knowing how they do things.

You have to consider that they way things were before china got aggressive in the region, china was the one having the growing influence in the region because of their economy, so by staying passive and neutral, US brought the situation to where they wanted it to be, that's what I mean by set up.

 

[jhungary]

Okay, then tell your US military officers to stop all collaborate wt VN, pls pack all of your stuffs and go home now, let's see what will happen when Russia take control of Guam, lets see if SK-JP-TW-Singapore etc still are US's allies or they will become Russia's allies

lol, so you are saying, US will lose TW-JP-SK-SING-AU when US don't try to court Vietnam?? lol...I felt down the chair actually after reading your post.

seriously, are you @Superboy with an Vietnamese twist??

Cause you sounded and thought like him.

 

[ptldM3]

It appears the US is pouting again

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

point is, why US have to declare war??

The fact to the point is, US have the net already in place, it's the Chinese who wanted to break open the net, not the other way around.

As I said a numerous time already, US already accepted that China is part of Asia, and thus there will be influence, but it's China who still wish to dominate Asia. Plus the same can be true to say that to any Chinese member here, if you want a war with US, China will go back to eating bamboo rice and you can say goodbye to all these achievement. Most of you nationalist don't even think if a war broke out in Asia, China gonna suffer a lot more than US, as Chinese mainland is in Asia, while US mainland is not... When you ready to go back into living to poverty, then come talk to me about a war with US.

You can say whatever with economic might, money won't make you friend, if they do, then the world would be Japanese's to take in the 80s.

How US net China, when itself is still depending on China's cheap junk produce to fullfill the wish of hunderd millions americans so they can have a better standard of living?. Are they gonna prevent us from export to them or prevent them to export to us??

Do China need US's blessing to be consider ourself as part of Asia?? don't talk US like GOD...US is nothing but a stranger in Asia and this world is not belong to US, you want to play the game of domination, we will party...we're not like Vietnam which just a pawn of superpower and to let Amarican to decide and dictate the fate of this world.. and dont think if we eat bamboo and we will let American have the lexury to enjoy steaks and BBQ in the summer. And regardless how far Amercian mainland is, they're not beyond our reach...one thing you can be certain that for a century, Americans had enjoy a good living and good standard life, they can't tolerace the suffering and don't underestimate our ability to take away what they cherished the most...if anyhing happend to China, US shall be forfeited as well.

 

[NiceGuy]

lol, so you are saying, US will lose TW-JP-SK-SING-AU when US don't try to court Vietnam?? lol...I felt down the chair actually after reading your post.

seriously, are you @Superboy with an Vietnamese twist??

Cause you sounded and thought like him.

First: pls tell your US military officers to stop all collaborate wt VN, pls pack all of your stuffs and go home now.

If u Cant do it, then u r just a low-life ,low IQ US citizen, no need to waste time wt a cheap serf like u

 

[jhungary]

Of course, US set up china as a consequence of chinese actions, the chinese created the conditions for the set up and US only had to wait and let them drive themselves into the net, something which is easy knowing how they do things.

You have to consider that they way things were before china got aggressive in the region, china was the one having the growing influence in the region because of their economy, so by staying passive and neutral, US brought the situation to where they wanted it to be, that's what I mean by set up.

well, you actually can't expect US to do everything....

Chinese growth, that's a given, the problem is, when US economy become mature in the 60s, there are no one in the area to bully, well, they did quite a good job to bully Canada and Mexico, but both were simply too easy.

to be fair, I don't think those fat cat in Washington know Chinese growth will be this unilateral, I think the worse case scenario the US thought of with Chinese Growth, at least Japan would be next to it and check it (if not Japan and South Korea), but no.....

Suddenly Chinese growth is exponential and a gap is then inevitably created, and by the time the US realise the Japan and SK together cannot do anything to curb the Chinese growth, it has already been too late.

Hence the situation like this now.

How US net China, when itself is still depending on China's cheap junk produce to fullfill the wish of hunderd millions americans so they can have a better standard of living?. Are they gonna prevent us from export to them or prevent them to export to us??

Do China need US's blessing to be consider ourself as part of Asia?? don't talk US like GOD...US is nothing but a stranger in Asia and this world is not belong to US, you want to play the game of domination, we will party...we're not like Vietnam which just a pawn of superpower and to let Amarican to decide and dictate the fate of this world.. and dont think if we eat bamboo and we will let American have the lexury to enjoy steaks and BBQ in the summer. And regardless how far Amercian mainland is, they're not beyond our reach...one thing you can be certain that for a century, Americans had enjoy a good living and good standard life, they can't tolerace the suffering and don't underestimate our ability to take away what they cherished the most...if anyhing happend to China, US shall be forfeited as well.

lol, maybe some inter-department communication problem? Didn't some of your compatriot only a few days ago said China is not having an export orientated economy anymore?? If so, then please explain to me how US depend on Chinese Cheap junk?? Maybe you should check with your shift supervisor.

And I like it when you talk about US-China confrontation will not hurt China one bit but will hurt US in almost everywhere. As if you are fighting it out on the east coast of United States

I stand by what I said before, talk to me about a Chinese-US war when you are willing to give up all these lavish lifestyle and go back to eating bamboo rice like Chinese does in the 70s. Otherwise when a war is raise in Asia it's always going to be hurting China more than US, as US still have American and European Market. Where China would only have Africa left, if they can get to Africa.

 

[Carlosa]

Why American suddenly reveal that their nuclear sub operated in SCS for several months so far?

U.S. Submarine in Asia Trip as Obama Seeks to Assure Allies - Bloomberg Business
US cruise missile submarines deployed to Asia-Pacific｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com
Louisville visits Singapore during Western Pacific deployment

I thought you were talking about the Ohio strategic subs. I just read the article.

Yes, this seems to be a new deployment, its just another element of the pivot and to be ready to take care of business in SCS.

well, you actually can't expect US to do everything....

Chinese growth, that's a given, the problem is, when US economy become mature in the 60s, there are no one in the area to bully, well, they did quite a good job to bully Canada and Mexico, but both were simply too easy.

to be fair, I don't think those fat cat in Washington know Chinese growth will be this unilateral, I think the worse case scenario the US thought of with Chinese Growth, at least Japan would be next to it and check it (if not Japan and South Korea), but no.....

Suddenly Chinese growth is exponential and a gap is then inevitably created, and by the time the US realise the Japan and SK together cannot do anything to curb the Chinese growth, it has already been too late.

Hence the situation like this now.



lol, maybe some inter-department communication problem? Didn't some of your compatriot only a few days ago said China is not having an export orientated economy anymore?? If so, then please explain to me how US depend on Chinese Cheap junk?? Maybe you should check with your shift supervisor.

And I like it when you talk about US-China confrontation will not hurt China one bit but will hurt US in almost everywhere. As if you are fighting it out on the east coast of United States

I stand by what I said before, talk to me about a Chinese-US war when you are willing to give up all these lavish lifestyle and go back to eating bamboo rice like Chinese does in the 70s. Otherwise when a war is raise in Asia it's always going to be hurting China more than US, as US still have American and European Market. Where China would only have Africa left, if they can get to Africa.

Yes, china took them by surprise with their economic growth, plus US had being busy dealing with the middle east and Afghanistan, but I think what really did it was when China got aggressive in ECS and SCS. US can't accept a chinese takeover of the SCS, hence the current situation and the inevitable upcoming clash.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes, china took them by surprise with their economic growth, plus US had being busy dealing with the middle east and Afghanistan, but I think what really did it was when China got aggressive in ECS and SCS. US can't accept a chinese takeover of the SCS, hence the current situation and the inevitable upcoming clash.

Interesting times, indeed.

 

[BoQ77]

I thought you were talking about the Ohio strategic subs. I just read the article.

Yes, this seems to be a new deployment, its just another element of the pivot and to be ready to take care of business in SCS.

Let me translate the statement of US "Hey Vietnam, we are friends now, right? we know that you are old friends with Russian and still depend on them with hope securing your country with their help. Old-fashioned ! What you could get from them to do so?

Don't let them put their base there, in Cam Ranh. Nothing to lose.
And You get all : friendship, security. As we proved to you in advance, we have much to give"

Agree with anyone say that "it's not forcing" and Vietnam has the right to choose.