Turks, do most Muslims practice Islam?

[RazPaK]

yaar, they are 99% Muslim


being european nowdays is not the most 'fashionable' anyways based on the state of many EU economies.....

I don't care what anyone believes, but If someone wants respect, it's always a two way street. You know what I mean?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

%99 is not accurate. %94-95 it must be, unfortunately atheism is rising fast. (%3-4 of total population)

people can decide for themselves.....in any country or society, you cant FORCE people to think or act in a certain way

religion is a personal matter

 

[Worf]

Alparslan Türkeş was the man. When he was around all the PKK was scared of him. He wanted to create the Turan and unite all the Turkish Muslims, opressed and free turks into one shelter. When this happens, there is no force that can stop the Turks and the muslims from reaching the top.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Alparslan Türkeş was the man. When he was around all the PKK was scared of him. He wanted to create the Turan and unite all the Turkish Muslims, opressed and free turks into one shelter. When this happens, there is no force that can stop the Turks and the muslims from reaching the top.

but they should try not to adopt a confrontational approach with countries like China

 

[Worf]

but they should try not to adopt a confrontational approach with countries like China

Uniting Turkish countries will not happen over a night. First they should unite Independent countries. Then when there is an increase in power, turks could then claim areas in russia and china; with possible war. But this is a dream, especialy with the current policys of the current goverment in turkey...

 

[VelocuR]

yaar, they are 99% Muslim


being european nowdays is not the most 'fashionable' anyways based on the state of many EU economies.....

Lol, they are not 99% Muslims, it is more likely 20% Muslims who follow every basic of Islam.

Unfortunately, Turkish are far more Kemalists and strong athiests. Islam is dramatically decreasing in Turkey after founder AtaTurk policy and different lifestyles. You will notice how much these people hate Islam and Muslim countries.

 

[TurAr]

Lol, they are not 99% Muslims, it is more likely 20% Muslims who follow every basic of Islam.

Unfortunately, Turkish are far more Kemalists and strong athiests. Islam is dramatically decreasing in Turkey after founder AtaTurk policy and different lifestyles. You will notice how much these people hate Islam and Muslim countries.

If Islam is decrasing in Turkey, it has nothing to do with Ataturk. It is because of the people like you and RazPaK.

Why so many Anti-Islam Turks these days?


These guys should be beaten like dogs.

The number of people who thinks same with RazPak have increased in Turkey since AKP took power, as a result Atheist numbers too...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Lol, they are not 99% Muslims, it is more likely 20% Muslims who follow every basic of Islam.

Unfortunately, Turkish are far more Kemalists and strong athiests. Islam is dramatically decreasing in Turkey after founder AtaTurk policy and different lifestyles. You will notice how much these people hate Islam and Muslim countries.

i beg your pardon man, i LIVED in Turkiye

and i am not agreeing at all with your assessment

 

[VelocuR]

i beg your pardon man, i LIVED in Turkiye

and i am not agreeing at all with your assessment

Can you explain more your love journey lived in Turkey? Not only experiences, I have meet some Turkish and their mindsets in person, I was not impressed.

If Islam is decrasing in Turkey, it has nothing to do with Ataturk. It is because of the people like you and RazPaK.

No, I still firmly believe it is AtaTurk policy cause unrest and uneasy situations more discriminations in Turkey. British know it.

but they should try not to adopt a confrontational approach with countries like China

Assure you, Pakistan will not tolerate it if Turkey attack on China's backyard.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

sure....

they are regular people who go to work, go to school, go to the Mosque (if they genuinely WANT to; not because someone force them to go) and they have strong family values the way we do as well

they dont have ''secular'' or ''religious'' label tattoo'd on their faces


and quite frankly -- a person is more at peace with himself when they are genuinely attracted to God and when they are not force-fed. I was having lunch with a friend from Bahawalpur; he told me that his neighbours were ''hard liners''.... When the parents were at home, they were slapped if they were late to study Quran. When the parents were out of the house, they listened to music and watched movies (which they werent doing when the parents were home). How artificial does that seem to you? To constantly be hiding.

Ataturk was a great personality....as a military figure and as a human being who created nation out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. Who are you or who am I to judge?

Every country has bad apples; we have ours, the Turks have theirs....I wont go into ''mindsets'' of Turks because it's difficult to generalize 80 million people -- the same way it's hard to generalize 180 million Pakistanis who are leftists, rightists, moderates, seculars, die-hard socialists, die-hard nationalists, die-hard religious fundamentalists etc.


i think Pakistanis on PDF should consider Turkiye as destination for vacation; it's a great country and Turks are true friends of Pakistan....and i am publicly inviting Turks here to visit Pakistan also and see our cities and what our country has to offer

 

[VelocuR]

sure....

they are regular people who go to work, go to school, go to the Mosque (if they genuinely WANT to; not because someone force them to go) and they have strong family values the way we do as well

they dont have ''secular'' or ''religious'' label tattoo'd on their faces


and quite frankly -- a person is more at peace with himself when they are genuinely attracted to God and when they are not force-fed. I was having lunch with a friend from Bahawalpur; he told me that his neighbours were ''hard liners''.... When the parents were at home, they were slapped if they were late to study Quran. When the parents were out of the house, they listened to music and watched movies (which they werent doing when the parents were home). How artificial does that seem to you? To constantly be hiding.

Ataturk was a great personality....as a military figure and as a human being who created nation out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. Who are you or who am I to judge?

Every country has bad apples; we have ours, the Turks have theirs....I wont go into ''mindsets'' of Turks because it's difficult to generalize 80 million people -- the same way it's hard to generalize 180 million Pakistanis who are leftists, rightists, moderates, seculars, die-hard socialists, die-hard nationalists, die-hard religious fundamentalists etc.


i think Pakistanis on PDF should consider Turkiye as destination for vacation; it's a great country and Turks are true friends of Pakistan....and i am publicly inviting Turks here to visit Pakistan also and see our cities and what our country has to offer

Thanks bro for explanation. Most of the times, I met Kemalists, it was worst expressions and their attitudes. They tended to talk negative toward both Pakistan and Turkey cities, I was shocked moreover how much they hate Ottoman Empire history and today China, Russia. I guess, some bad apples and good one mixing up anyway.

 

[Worf]

Lol, they are not 99% Muslims, it is more likely 20% Muslims who follow every basic of Islam.

Unfortunately, Turkish are far more Kemalists and strong athiests. Islam is dramatically decreasing in Turkey after founder AtaTurk policy and different lifestyles. You will notice how much these people hate Islam and Muslim countries.

I am turkish. If thanking Ataturk for saving the turks is 'kemalism'- i am one. And the most important of all is that I am a Muslim, just like the majority of the turks. According to you, most Turkish people are atheists! Well the last time i went outside there was a Mosque in every street. If Ataturk was so against Islam, why was a muslim himself?!

One of the most important reasons why Athesim is increasing is because people get fed up of the usage of Religion in politcs in Turkey like a toy. Then they see it as a threat and then they take their anger off of Islam....
Basicly the core reason is fundementalists....

 

[TurAr]

Thanks bro for explanation. Most of the times, I met Kemalists, it was worst expressions and their attitudes. They tended to talk negative toward both Pakistan and Turkey cities, I was shocked moreover how much they hate Ottoman Empire history and today China, Russia. I guess, some bad apples and good one mixing up anyway.

How did you come to conclusion that they were Kemalists?
I'm criticizing the Turkish cities. And i'm sure i would criticize Pakistani cities too if i would be there. Does it mean that i don't love or respect my country or Pakistan? I do not hate Ottomans Empire but those neo-ottoman people, i'm not agreeing with them.

And you're right about that bad and good apples. Just like you and Abu Zolfiqar.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

I am turkish. If thanking Ataturk for saving the turks is 'kemalism'- i am one. And the most important of all I am Muslim, just like the majority of the turks. According to you, most Turkish people are atheist! Well last time i went outside there was a Mosque in every street. If Ataturk was so against Islam, why was a muslim himself?!

One of the most important reasons why Athesim is increasing is because people get fed up of the usage of Religion in politcs in Turkey like a toy. Then they see it as a threat and then they take their anger off of Islam....
Basicly the core reason is fundementalists....

By mixing politic with ideology, humankind has a dream of elevating the values in society, but in action that is the ideology which follows the politics, most of time.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

some fundamentalists (not all) always scare people about going to hell for ''sins'' rather than focusing on how to be strong individuals and how to live strong and healthy lives in THIS life

no living person knows what happens after death.....so best to focus on being strong and being a good Muslim and being a good CITIZEN in this CURRENT life.

i think the Turks did a good job balancing Islam with their everyday lives...

many observe Ramzan and Eid; every street has a Mosque and the Azan is loud and clear during prayer time. Those who go go, those who dont go dont go.

the Cold War had long-term effects on both countries....there was a strong divide and polarization between the hard left and the hard right.
















p.s.
Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a fond admirer of Mostafa Kemal as well