Turkish Naval Programs

[Foinikas]

Half of Agean belongs to Turkiye
Greece can not militerize the Islands by international Agreements
10 km2 Kostellarizo Island can not block 783.000 km2 Turkish Mainland

*sigh*

How many times have we had this discussion on this forum? How many times have we showed you and proved to you in depth,that all three claims are false? You always mention this,me and Akritas explain why you are wrong with quotes,evidence and arguements in full detail...you don't know what to say,you go back to ranting about past glories of the Ottoman empire and then as if your brain resets,you mention it again the next time.

Do you have short-term memory? Are you in denial? Do you have mental issues? What's the problem?

We showed you UNCLOS,the Treaty of Lausanne,the Treaty of Montreaux,Paris...everything. We quoted you the passages,we even showed you screenshots. We also showed you explanations from specialists.

The Mavi Vatan doctrine is a ridiculous policy by the AKP government,to expand and create a "Greater Turkey". All with Erdogan as the head.

I mean,what do you need to understand? Do we have to repeat the same discussions and post the same photos and links and arguments and quotes every single time,because you lack the capacity to figure out that you're wrong?

 

[LegionnairE]

Do you honestly think the US Senate would approve F-35 Sales to Turkey if Turkey launched the intervention into Syria? If you had to pick between allowing a PKK state in Syria that would eventually be used as a launchbed for similar ambitions inside Turkey and to launch a full scale insurgency inside Turkey but you get to allegedly keep the F-35, or lose the F-35 but have Turkey intervene in Syria against the PKK, which poison would you pick? answer honestly.

we were talking about Greece and I was criticizing THEIR decision to buy Rafale.

Please read the context before talking to me.

Or rather just don't talk to me, you're wasting my time.

 

[Foinikas]

what a dream .. 95% to Greece only 5% to Turkiye

Like someone on PDF said: "Then win a World War if you don't like it". You lost WWI,the islands returned to us. That's the territory you get. I don't see you complaining about the land you lost in Iraq. You don't say "boohoo,Iraqis are closing us in,we don't have space". You have the whole Black Sea and enough space in the southeast. The ****'s your obsession with the Aegean? Get it in your head,we got these islands,these borders,this is our country,this is our territory,this is our right.
If you INSIST that you are peaceful,then shut up and accept that you lost the war and don't worry,because you have enough sea elsewhere. It's not like you became a landlocked country. And nobody is "blockading" the coast of Asia Minor. There's trade and tourism between our people.

 

[hyperman]

What will not be allowed to pass without permission,would be military ships.

Yeah thats the issue, Turkey sees freedom of navigation for its vessels as essential.

 

[Foinikas]

Yeah thats the issue, Turkey sees freedom of navigation for its vessels as essential.

I posted this earlier,but you probably missed it. Check it out:

 

[hyperman]

Turkish navy is already patrolling the area and will not let something like that happen in Turkish EEZ as they should.

Oil rigs move very slowly, they aren't going to sneak something like that overnight. Why do you want answer to something that can't happen? What if PKK takes over Ankara? What if India captures Islamabad?

Rather dumb questions hyperman I'm sorry.

Regarding N. Cyprus the chance for a united island was squandered by Eoka-B and Nikos Sampson. It's been 40 years, obviously a united Cyprus is a pipe dream at this point. Greeks should just recognize TRNC. Whatever similiarities betwen Turkish and Greek cultures may be, history showed that we can't live together peacefully.

Just recognize TRNC.

There you go, that's my answer.

man, you just say "its not going to happen" so let me just skip the question, b/c its not going to happen. its an interesting cop out. The point here was to demonstrate policy with regards to the Aegean, there is consensus on in Turkey, Whether its the AKP, MHP, CHP, IYI so regardless of administration policy would not be different. These aren't dumb questions, these are difficult questions, question you would rather not answer as as to not alienate EU benefactors but at the same time not commenting enough to upset those in Turkey.

I posted this earlier,but you probably missed it. Check it out:

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Well i mean thats your interpretation written up by someone who shares your views. lol if miltary vessels cannot pass through then its an issue, Turkey refuses to have the right of passage be dependent on Greek Benevolence. but regardless, you are going off on tangents, im explaining the disagreement, and as you yourself conceded, Mitsotakis isn't going to budge, so its futile to argue further.

 

[MMM-E]

Like someone on PDF said: "Then win a World War if you don't like it". You lost WWI,the islands returned to us. That's the territory you get.

We won the last war in 1922 against Greece,France,UK,Armenia

and 1923 Lausanne Peace Treaty established a delicate balance between Türkiye and Greece by harmonizing the vital interests and legitimate rights of both countries in the Aegean Sea


and I am talking about your trash Seville Map which has no value
what a dream .. 95% to Greece only 5% to Turkiye about EEZ

You have the whole Black Sea and enough space in the southeast. The ****'s your obsession with the Aegean? Get it in your head,we got these islands,these borders,this is our country,this is our territory,this is our right.

only 6 nm ... nothing else

 

[Foinikas]

lol if miltary vessels cannot pass through then its an issue, Turkey refuses to have the right of passage be dependent on Greek Benevolence. but regardless, you are going off on tangents, im explaining the disagreement, and as you yourself conceded, Mitsotakis isn't going to budge, so its futile to argue further.

But like the professor says,Greece does not have the capacity and legal right to do it,even if a government of ours wanted to.

It would lead to war,sanctions and diplomatic isolation for us,because it would have been illegal. We've signed UNCLOS,so we can't just act contrary to it.

 

[hyperman]

Or rather just don't talk to me, you're wasting my time.

Well then you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about naval vessels and development to go on your rant on politics, and then not expect a retort. Your grievances have fk all to do with Naval development and even Turkish Aegean policy so why bring them up here to being with? and then get upset when people retort?

Oh no big bad erdogan, not secular oh no big bad erdogan letting syrian refugees in, oh no big bad erdogan messed up f-35 deal(you weren't getting f-35s to begin with, with the syrian intervention regardless of the s-400 matter). like wtf does any of this have to do with naval developments or even aegean policy? You got domestic grievances and you try to pidgeonhole it into a random thread. then you accuse others of wasting your time.

 

[Foinikas]

e won the last war in 1922 against Greece,France,UK,Armenia

and 1923 Lausanne Peace Treaty established a delicate balance between Türkiye and Greece by harmonizing the vital interests and legitimate rights of both countries in the Aegean Sea


and I am talking about your trash Seville Map which has no value
what a dream .. 95% to Greece only 5% to Turkiye about EEZ

Re MMMMMALAKA....stop repeating the same nonsensical retarded trash that you've been slapping our brains with for the past year. If I had a euro every time you said those exact same sentences,I'd have a brand new PC by now.

only 6 nm ... nothing else

You got a pretty nice EEZ in the Black Sea and enough down South. So you're good. Whoever wants more,ends up with less. Ask Hitler.

 

[hyperman]

You got a pretty nice EEZ in the Black Sea and enough down South. So you're good. Whoever wants more,ends up with less. Ask Hitler.

You got a pretty nice EEZ in the Ionian Sea and enough down South. So you're good. Whoever wants more,ends up with less. Ask Hitler.

 

[MMM-E]

Re MMMMMALAKA....stop repeating the same nonsensical retarded trash that you've been slapping our brains with for the past year. If I had a euro every time you said those exact same sentences,I'd have a brand new PC by now.

Reality hurts daydreamer Greeks
keep dreaming re MALAKA ... dream is free

You got a pretty nice EEZ in the Black Sea and enough down South. So you're good. Whoever wants more,ends up with less. Ask Hitler.

Turkiye has 90 million population , Greece has 10 million ...
half of the Agean and in the Ionian Sea enough for tiny Greece

and The EU gave hundreds of billions of Euros to Greece for free since 1980s
also Nobody attacks Greece

even Turkiye lost over $500 billion to fight PKK terrorism since 1990s
Turkiye needs resources

 

[Foinikas]

You got a pretty nice EEZ in the Ionian Sea and enough down South. So you're good. Whoever wants more,ends up with less. Ask Hitler.

But they have a problem because of our Islands. The islands are part of our country. They are the other half of Greece. All of a sudden,the Mavi Vatan doctrine appeared and Erdoğan started claiming half the Aegean.

Reality hurts daydreamer Greeks
keep dreaming re MALAKA ... dream is free

What reality re buffalo bill? You're c/p the same trash you have on your notepad. Don't you get it that you're tiresome?

Turkiye has 90 million population , Greece has 10 million ...

You ain't getting an inch of our motherland. If you have 90 million people,go eastwards. Your idea of "we're a bigger country,we have more rights" is flawed.

and The EU gave hundreds of billions of Euros to Greece for free since 1980s
also Nobody attacks Greece

First of all,the EU didn't exist in the '80s. Only the EC.

Second,who attacks Turkey? What kind of an argument is that?

even Turkiye lost over $500 billion to fight PKK terrorism since 1990s
Turkiye needs resources

That's not our problem. Because you had a war with the Kurds,you think you are justified to grab islands and EEZ from others?

 

[MMM-E]

What reality re buffalo bill? You're c/p the same trash you have on your notepad. Don't you get it that you're tiresome?

Reality is
We won the last war in 1922 against Greece,France,UK,Armenia

and 1923 Lausanne Peace Treaty established a delicate balance between Türkiye and Greece by harmonizing the vital interests and legitimate rights of both countries in the Aegean Sea

according to 1923 Lausanne Peace Treaty 3nm for both countries

in 1930s Greece illegally increased its territorial water to 6nm from 3 nm
and Turkiye tolerated it

but no more tolerance to Greece ..... Greeks should get this in their thick heads

 

[MMM-E]

But they have a problem because of our Islands. The islands are part of our country. They are the other half of Greece. All of a sudden,the Mavi Vatan doctrine appeared and Erdoğan started claiming half the Aegean.

Islands can not block Turkish Mainland ...
Greek is not archipelagic state ,, therefore your EEZ should start from Greek mainland but not from every tiny Island

including Kastellerizo which is only 2km to Turkiye and 580 km to Greece

in the Aegean most of Islands are 3-7-10 km away from Turkish mainland

You ain't getting an inch of our motherland. If you have 90 million people,go eastwards. Your idea of "we're a bigger country,we have more rights" is flawed.

we dont need your useless motherland Greece .......half of Aegean is belong to Turkiye

First of all,the EU didn't exist in the '80s. Only the EC.

Second,who attacks Turkey? What kind of an argument is that?

Greece joined the EU in 1981 ... and waiter Greeks took hundreds of billions of Euros from the EU

Our so-called NATO allies attacks Turkiye via terror organizations and puppet states