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They can't afford it, it's not a concern.
The Erdogan fanboys have to understand that we're not looking for a war. It would be crazy. And if we were looking for a war,we would have shot down Turkish F-16s or fired at Turkish Coast Guard boats. That would have easily started a war.

S400 purchase truned out to be very damaging but the bigger problem is this frankly retarded "muslim brotherhood" foregin policy around the mediterranean.

Egypt buys billions of dollars of equipment from France every year. We could be the ones making those sales but we love to put our nose in where it doesn't belong. Nobody in Turkey gives a flying **** if Sisi is a bad guy or not. Getting involved in Egypt's domestic politics, was a moronic decision and we did this with every arab country.


Egypt cooperates with Israel, their historic enemy, against Turkey. WE DID THIS. With our stupid caliphate dreams.
If I say all that,they'll just accuse me of hating Turkey and being jealous of Erdogan's "victories".

Well done,you said it very well.

You really have to live in Germany to believe this bullshit.
Actually he lived in Germany for a while. I don't know long,but he had the German flag as the residence flag here.
 
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Erdogan fighting all of you since 2013 GEZI Park rebellion
FETO,CHP,TUSIAD raise price of products to beat Erdogan in 2023 elections
their only hope is economic problems
I will tell the bakery who sells my bread that they are CHP FETÖ TUSIAD agents. Fuckers are ripping me off! :rofl:
 
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The Erdogan fanboys have to understand that we're not looking for a war. It would be crazy. And if we were looking for a war,we would have shot down Turkish F-16s or fired at Turkish Coast Guard boats. That would have easily started a war.
Hey we're not looking for war either, we're a peace loving nation I'm telling you.

I was going to make some jokes but I decided not to. I just want everybody to pay attention to what's happening in Ukraine. Russia lost thousands upon thousands of lives. Wives became widows, children became orphans and fathers are burying their sons. And when you look at Ukraine, the entire country is destroyed, it will never be the same. Only a single-digit IQ RETARD wants this for his country.

Yes, at the moment the little guy, Ukraine seems to be winning If you can call it that. So I want you to try to imagine what would Greek victory look like. All the elaborate plans, calculations last for a few hours, rest is maybe months, maybe years long meat grinder. You would have to be an especially inbred retard to want that.

Only victors of a Greco-Turkish war will be the USA and France. Only losers will be Greece and Turkey.
 
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Our air-force is quickly becoming outdated. We lost the competitive edge over Greece.

And Greece buys even 1 F35 that's a problem for us. Because they will have pilots and ground crews that are trained on F35 and what happens when a conflict breaks out and America just gives them 100 F35s? What the fvck are you gonna do? TFX won't be ready until 2030 (best case scenario)
This! I've heard analysts on Turkish TV mention it,I've seen Turks commenting about it in Youtube comments. I've seen videos of military experts discuss it....and yet,here on PDF you have people like MMM-E,Oublious and some others who still boast that the THK is as strong as 2010-2016 when we the economic crisis had our Mirage 2000 grounded and a lot of the F-16s not flying as much,because of lack of spare parts,maintainance expenses and fuel costs and the Turkish Air Force was still intact.

Now,I'm not saying you can win a war with a few Rafale...but I keep telling MMM-E and the others,that when the Turkish Air Force has lost many of its experienced pilots and officers and a lot of the F-16s and Phantoms don't fly,because of the sanctions...and at the same time Greece has 10 Rafale F3R and 4 (or is it 6?) F-16Vs as we speak,on top of the rest of the aircraft...we have the advantage realistically. MMM-E's typical reply (which he spams every time the Greek Air Force is mentioned)is that Turkey has upgraded to CCIP and Ozgur,has Kizelelma and most of all...he mentions the long list of missiles that can "turn Greek bases to pieces of scrap".

If there's one branch of our Armed Forces that we actually did some good purchases,that's definitely the Air Force.

You see this?

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That's the nonsense he keeps repeating in an endless c/p of the same bullshit.
 
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Now,I'm not saying you can win a war with a few Rafale...but I keep telling MMM-E and the others,that when the Turkish Air Force has lost many of its experienced pilots and officers and a lot of the F-16s and Phantoms don't fly,because of the sanctions...and at the same time Greece has 10 Rafale F3R and 4 (or is it 6?) F-16Vs as we speak,on top of the rest of the aircraft...we have the advantage realistically. MMM-E's typical reply (which he spams every time the Greek Air Force is mentioned)is that Turkey has upgraded to CCIP and Ozgur,has Kizelelma and most of all...he mentions the long list of missiles that can "turn Greek bases to pieces of scrap".

If there's one branch of our Armed Forces that we actually did some good purchases,that's definitely the Air Force.

I disagree with this, I wouldn't mess with Rafale, I would go straight for F 35, you get much more bang for your buck. French frigates also seem unreasonably expensive. I don't get the fascination with the French products here.


I think what's happening is that these decisions are being taken on political grounds. Greece isn't really buying French weapons, Greece is buying French support. Which is a valid strategy don't get me wrong but it reminds me of Arabs buying American tanks planes etc. for American support. You're opening the gates for imperialism here.

Which is another reason Why I don't support the belligerent stance of AKP administration. The more you scare Greece with threats, the more they are going to side with imperial powers.
 
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That's the nonsense he keeps repeating in an endless c/p of the same bullshit.

S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems are not c/p of bullshit.

still dreaming about Rafale


Greece has 10 Rafale F3R and 4 (or is it 6?) F-16Vs

What a power daydreamer Greeks

We have Rafales ..we are stronger than Turkiye , end of Turkiye
what a useless daydreamer nation
 
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I disagree with this, I wouldn't mess with Rafale, I would go straight for F 35, you get much more bang for your buck. French frigates also seem unreasonably expensive. I don't get the fascination with the French products here.


I think what's happening is that these decisions are being taken on political grounds. Greece isn't really buying French weapons, Greece is buying French support. Which is a valid strategy don't get me wrong but it reminds me of Arabs buying American tanks planes etc. for American support. You're opening the gates for imperialism here.
When it comes to the F-35,the government seems obsessed with buying a squadron ASAP. They even asked for simulators already. And they want to buy a second squadron much later.

When it comes to the F-35,just like in Turkey,there are Greeks who support it and Greeks who hate it. I guess in Turkey most loved it,until the S-400 and the sanctions,when half started mocking it and saying "we'll make the TFX now".

When it comes to the French deals...hmm. You got a point there. During the 2019-2020 crisis in the Aegean and Mediterranean and Evros...the only country that supported us was France. And I mean,not just with words,they gave us Rafale so fast,nobody expected it. They sent ships here,they were willing to cooperate with us for the Navy etc. So you're right,the decision was largely political. Not that the French don't make good stuff,they make some of the best weapons out there,we all know it! But like you said,they are very expensive and the French tend to be...you know..."Frenchy",like Eddie Izzard said :P

The FDI frigates had initially a crazy price. We managed to lower it after 1-2 years of negotiations and after bringing in other countries. The competition became so big,the French couldn't afford to lose it. Still,now many kind of regret it,as the ships lack a few vital things. You see,the French had designed the FDI as a successor to the La Fayette class,so it lacked a lot of things. We had to ask for 32 Aster-30 and a CIWS. And from what many sources say,it lacks an ECM and IRIST as well as a few other things. The reason is that the French said they wanted to develop a modern ECM just for the FDI...but who's gonna pay for that now if they don't install it and we're the only ones buying it? And when will it be ready? That's why we might have another ECM installed. Their SETIS CMS is rumored to be "very closed" as a system,unlike TACTICOS and some say it also lacks link16 (although that can be fixed easily I guess).

If some of the problems are fixed,then they will be great ships. They will be state-of-the-art frigates.

But...after that the French thought they won the whole race and started being tough on the corvette offer as well. They offered the Gowind and little yielding to our demands for more ToT and Greek companies participation...so we put Italy in the game and the French reconsidered :P

Eh,what can you do?

Which is another reason Why I don't support the belligerent stance of AKP administration. The more you scare Greece with threats, the more they are going to side with imperial powers.

It's funny because you hear Akar going like this:

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One day he says "Greeks are arming themselves",the next he says "No matter how many weapons you buy,you can't defeat Turkey". Then he goes back to nagging "Greece is arming",then we're like...you guys have been making all that stuff,then they reply "That's not for Greece,we have other enemies",tamam ama most of the maps showing the capabilities of the ballistic missiles and AA systems are pointed towards Greece 😂 Not Russia,not Iran,not Syria,not even Israel.

We have Rafales ..we are stronger than Turkiye , end of Turkiye
what a useless daydreamer nation
I said a few Rafale can't win a war. You probably didn't read it or ignored it. As you always do.

You need to learn how to listen and understand someone,when you discuss. Of course,you don't want to discuss. You just want an audience to read your bull and clap.
 
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We have other weaknesses that can be exploited. Our conscription system is breaking down, our tank arm is very weak not only in terms of tanks but also ammo, trainging, etc. We suffered losses we shouldn't have in Syria. Our air-force is quickly becoming outdated. We lost the competitive edge over Greece.

And Greece buys even 1 F35 that's a problem for us. Because they will have pilots and ground crews that are trained on F35 and what happens when a conflict breaks out and America just gives them 100 F35s? What the fvck are you gonna do? TFX won't be ready until 2030 (best case scenario)

And let's take into consideration how much oil and gas Russia has and the size of their economy, they are having problems with sanctions even with these advantages. Turkish economy is crashing without a war. For years they told us Turkey would be a superpower by 2023. Our inflation rate is around %110. How are you going to support a war without an economy?

Turkey has deep problems man. Don't think our enemies don't know these problems. They don't watch A Haber


I do not deny that we have problems..We should talk as citizens of the same country, not as two people from the opposite party.. Greece can buy 100 and even 1000 F35, but still it cannot attack Turkey. Israel has the best air force in the region, along with the gulf countries, but can they attack Iran? No because it takes much more than air force to win a war The air force gap between greece and turkey will never be as wide as the gap between Iran and Israel. When we create our own defense industry ecosystem and become a country that is not affected by military sanctions, we will already won 80% of this proxy war.

Also Turkey's economy suffered more severe economic damage than Russia, even if we were not at war.. 5 million migrant, high corruption and almost all govermant policies were reason of this mess.. We have to pray that a nationalist govermant will rule the Turkey after Erdogan
 
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The FDI frigates had initially a crazy price. We managed to lower it after 1-2 years of negotiations and after bringing in other countries. The competition became so big,the French couldn't afford to lose it. Still,now many kind of regret it,as the ships lack a few vital things. You see,the French had designed the FDI as a successor to the La Fayette class,so it lacked a lot of things. We had to ask for 32 Aster-30 and a CIWS. And from what many sources say,it lacks an ECM and IRIST as well as a few other things. The reason is that the French said they wanted to develop a modern ECM just for the FDI...but who's gonna pay for that now if they don't install it and we're the only ones buying it? And when will it be ready? That's why we might have another ECM installed. Their SETIS CMS is rumored to be "very closed" as a system,unlike TACTICOS and some say it also lacks link16 (although that can be fixed easily I guess).
You're likely going to need French permission to make any of those changes. And who's going to be the supplier? You're likely going to have to remain in French ecosystem. You trade a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security. Story of the centuries.
But...after that the French thought they won the whole race and started being tough on the corvette offer as well. They offered the Gowind and little yielding to our demands for more ToT and Greek companies participation...so we put Italy in the game and the French reconsidered :P

Eh,what can you do?

I would go straight to Italy to be honest, even America is buying Italian frigates lol

Not only they are terrific ships they also let you customize it in whichever way you want. Plus you don't get ripped off.

The amount France charged for a bunch of used Rafales is SHAMEFUL

I do not deny that we have problems..We should talk as citizens of the same country, not as two people from the opposite party.. Greece can buy 100 and even 1000 F35, but still it cannot attack Turkey. Israel has the best air force in the region, along with the gulf countries, but can they attack Iran? No because it takes much more than air force to win a war The air force gap between greece and turkey will never be as wide as the gap between Iran and Israel. When we create our own defense industry ecosystem and become a country that is not affected by military sanctions, we will already won 80% of this proxy war.

Also Turkey's economy suffered more severe economic damage than Russia, even if we were not at war.. 5 million migrant, high corruption and almost all govermant policies were reason of this mess.. We have to pray that a nationalist govermant will rule the Turkey after Erdogan

I agree wholeheartedly, I don't like the politicization of national defense, but here we are. AKP did this by playing favors with pro-AKP companies. The way they messed with the BMC is a scandal. But it doesn't end there, it's an unending shitshow of propaganda and suppression.

And unfortunately I don't see a way for a nationalist takeover. Bahçeli is a joke, Akşener supports imamson and for a while I was hopeful for Ümit Özdağ but he's managing his party terribly. We'll see how it goes when Sinan Ogan enters the scene. I'll keep my eye on him.

Ac karnını doyur capulcu
Easy to speak with a belly full of German cum!
 
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It's funny because you hear Akar going like this:

Still compare Turkiye with tiny Greece
Greece engage on only Turkiye

on the other hand
since 2013 Turkiye fought multi-national alliance ( asymmetric-economic war )
in Iraq,Syria,Karabakh,Qatar,Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

( USA-France, PKK/YPG, FETO, ISIS , Armenia , Greece , Egypt-S.Arabia ,TheUAE , HAFTAR , also Russia -Iran backed SAA, IRCG, Hezbolah )

Turkiye buys/produce weapons not just for Greece ,, but also for multi-national alliance

Easy to speak with a belly full of German cum!

I am in Turkiye Capulcu ... and since 2016 we are kicking all traitors with a belly full of American cum!
 
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You're likely going to have to remain in French ecosystem
French almost always do that. You want another anti-ship missile and not Exocet? "Miaah...niaahh..." the nagging starts.
You want something from a company other than MBDA installed? "Can't integrate it fully".
But their equipment is usually top class. So no complains there. Exocet,MICA,Aster-30,their aircraft,armor etc.

I would go straight to Italy to be honest, even America is buying Italian frigates lol
When it comes to the corvettes,the FCX-30 is obviously the better choice (I have a thread about that). Plus the Italians would probably want the Greek Shipyards to build more ships for their clients,if there's a deal. The thing is,that the government wants to sign a mutual defence agreemnt with the Italians as well,just like they did with the French. I don't know if the Italians actually care about that though.

The amount France charged for a bunch of used Rafales is SHAMEFUL
No,they deal was pretty good,because in the package there were MICA,METEOR and SCALP-EG included,along with FOS and half of the Rafale are brand new.


Still compare Turkiye with tiny Greece
Greece engage on only Turkiye

on the other hand
since 2013 Turkiye fought multi-national alliance ( asymmetric-economic war )
in Iraq,Syria,Karabakh,Qatar,Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

( USA-France, PKK/YPG, FETO, ISIS , Armenia , Greece , Egypt-S.Arabia ,TheUAE , HAFTAR , also Russia -Iran backed SAA, IRCG, Hezbolah )

Turkiye buys/produce weapons not just for Greece ,, but also for multi-national alliance



I am in Turkiye Capulcu ... and since 2016 we are kicking all traitors with a belly full of American cum!
Same c/p text that we've seen 1000 times. Moving on.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly, I don't like the politicization of national defense, but here we are. AKP did this by playing favors with pro-AKP companies. The way they messed with the BMC is a scandal. But it doesn't end there, it's an unending shitshow of propaganda and suppression.

And unfortunately I don't see a way for a nationalist takeover. Bahçeli is a joke, Akşener supports imamson and for a while I was hopeful for Ümit Özdağ but he's managing his party terribly. We'll see how it goes when Sinan Ogan enters the scene. I'll keep my eye on him.
Defense companies are always pro-government, we can't stop it, but our ground forces are still 10 years behind their potential due to the evil things AKP did to Otokar.
I don't think the person who will come after AKP, except Mansur Yavaş, will be able to rule Turkey for more than 2 years.
If they don't send the refugees back (chp said it won't), they will have to deal with the hatred of both opposition and AKP supporters.
But If they send the refugees back and make peace with the HDP, then the army and the police will force the new government to resign. Yes, there hasn't been a coup for 30 years, but the new government will never be as strong as Erdogan, so they will either get along with the army and big companies, or they will get along on another 28th February.
 
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We have to pray that a nationalist govermant will rule the Turkey after Erdogan

HDP-PKK , FETO , CHP , IP , DEVA very nationalist alliance
Full of American puppets


Bravo ERDOGAN who kicked KOC out of MILGEM and ALTAY Tank projects

We never forget how KOC supported traitors who tried destroying ERDOGAN and mega projects during GEZI Park rebellion

Also ERDOGAN saved our $3,5 billion

The bombardment of lies and slander began after BMC which offered a price of $3.5 billion, against Koç's Otokar company which offered a price of $7 billion dollars for 250 Tanks in the tender by 2018.
 
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