ChineseTiger1986
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The plan to supply engines from China does not make sense to me.
The two-faced US could sanction you anytime, but China won't.
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The plan to supply engines from China does not make sense to me.
This will be a very important choice for us. will have long-term effectsThe two-faced US could sanction you anytime, but China won't.
The plan to supply engines from China does not make sense to me.
I want to say that some of the best posts I've seen on this thread were by you @LegionnairE @LeGenD and @White and Green with M/SVallahi it's all true..
52 percent cannot see Erdoğan's inconsistencies.
I just laugh, I have nothing to say anymore. I think he'll eventually go buy J-10. Like the S400's, it will be of no use.
Erdogan kept calling the Westerners "imperialists" and "crusaders" and then went to Germany and talked bad about the Jewish and Kurdish community there. And he asked for Eurofighter. And they told him no.
He had been calling Hamas a resistance group to the same people who actively support Israel. Well it's common politics.
First he got S-400s. Then he asked for F-35s again and was told no. Then he said "we'll buy Su-35 and submarines from Russia". He went to Russia and got nothing. He came back and asked for F-16Vs from the Americans. He got nothing. He said "we'll make our own stuff and they will be better". He went to Germany and asked for Eurofighters and was told no.
Why ?
purchase Fighter Jet from China poses challenges
but to supply Engine will not be problem
Turkiye can work with China via Pakistan
USA will give GE-F110-129 Engines to Turkiye for max 20 KAANs
what we gonna do later ?
Turkiye needs minimum 15 years to develop its own engine and brings it to a sufficient level and produce squadrons of KAANs with Turkish Engine
Turkiye can produce KAAN special edition with Chinese engine for effective stopgap solution for the Turkish Air Force and export possibility to Pakistan
if NO F-16V
if NO Eurofighter
if NO more GE-F110-129 Engines
then only 20 KAAN until 2029
and 200 OZGUR modernized F-16s until 2030
also TF-10.000 Engine for KIZILELMA in 2030
If we can not purchase Fighter Jets from NATO
Then Turkiye should focus on Air Defense Systems such as 250+ km SIPER Block2 with booster to work with E7-T AEWC to counter hostile Fighter Jets in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean
In the next 5 years, the USA, France, Greece, Israel and even Egypt will cause great difficulties to Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean and Libya.
Since China has already exported the WS-10B to Pakistan via the J-10C, then to export the WS-10C is not out of possibility.
We can also provide KAAN with the 2D thrust vectoring nozzle, so no need to envy the F119 engine anymore.
American engines last thousands of hours, Chinese engines are nowhere near that durability. It's not a problem for Pakistan because they are close neighbors with China. It would be a problem for us.The plan to supply engines from China does not make sense to me.
We dont beg for jets we want to buy it with our own money. There is a difference no need to feel ashamedI know ofcourse I know.. But everytime we go and ask for a weapon system we look weak as f**
posts made by the Greek and Armenian lobbies on Twitter with the hashtag "nojetsforturkey" etc. It's so tiring to deal with these..
If they say no, and you keep asking, it's called begging.We dont beg for jets we want to buy it with our own money. There is a difference no need to feel ashamed
Why ?
purchase Fighter Jet from China poses challenges
but to supply Engine will not be problem
Turkiye can work with China via Pakistan
USA will give GE-F110-129 Engines to Turkiye for max 20 KAANs
what we gonna do later ?
Turkiye needs minimum 15 years to develop its own engine and brings it to a sufficient level and produce squadrons of KAANs with Turkish Engine
Turkiye can produce KAAN special edition with Chinese engine for effective stopgap solution for the Turkish Air Force and export possibility to Pakistan
if NO F-16V
if NO Eurofighter
if NO more GE-F110-129 Engines
then only 20 KAAN until 2029
and 200 OZGUR modernized F-16s until 2030
also TF-10.000 Engine for KIZILELMA in 2030
If we can not purchase Fighter Jets from NATO
Then Turkiye should focus on Air Defense Systems such as 250+ km SIPER Block2 with booster to work with E7-T AEWC to counter hostile Fighter Jets in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean
In the next 5 years, the USA, France, Greece, Israel and even Egypt will cause great difficulties to Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean and Libya.
We won't be interested in J-10C, But we could be interested in buying that thrust vectoring technology.
That could save us some time on development.
American engines last thousands of hours, Chinese engines are nowhere near that durability. It's not a problem for Pakistan because they are close neighbors with China. It would be a problem for us.
Fortunately we don't need it, we have very good relations with UK, we could partner up with Rolls Royce instead. EJ-200 series are small in diameter but they offer some of the highest power to weight ratios in the world. Really good engines.
if you warn the seller that you will buy from somewhere else in case they dont want to sell.. thats not begging. More like warning before you buy somewhere else.If they say no, and you keep asking, it's called begging.
Hi,
It's not---. It won't happen---. you don't know what the **** you're talking about---. faggot---.
long term 5000 KAAN jetsWell it is unfortunate you addressed a respectable member of forum such manner
However , I think Turkiye's big challenge is that most world nations would not sell F-35 to Turkey
It has nothing to do with Erdogan speech or his concern for welfare of Muslims
- The West will only see , weapons 1 generation behind to Turkey/Pakistan/Egypt
Even if Turkiye has been a great member of NATO however they are only given F16 to fight against Russia
If Russia did not exist , I am sure NATO would not even give F16 to Turkey
From Strategic point of view
- 200 F16 C/D is enough for Turkey
- If they need more items JF17-Block III is available up to 100 units, even Acquiring 50 JF-17 could solve the short term need for Turkey
- An airforce , with 200 F16C/D and 100 JF17-Block III is sufficient for next 15 years
Turkey should focus on KAAN project 100%
Short Term Solution
- 200 F16 C/D
- 100 JF17-Block III (Attainable objective)
- 40 Euro Fight (If available)
- Focus on Expanding the UAV Fleet to suppliment
Long Term
- 300 KAAN fighter Jets
so far I haven't seen any evidence of that, nice if true but I doubt we'll need it.You are wrong man, the current Chinese engine is quite comparable to its US counterpart in term of overhaul and lifespan.
Well it is unfortunate you addressed a respectable member of forum such manner
no commentHi,
You got a big mouth son---. You don't have a shit of a fighter aircraft to fight with and yet you are prancing around like a dance horse---.
Integrate your own better BVR missiles with it if you have one----which you don't have any and will have nothing equal to chinese BVR PL15 for maybe 1/2 a decade---.
It is amazing that you are the son of warriors that we pakistanis look upto---and here you are whimpering like a bi-tch---having no clue that you have no capable aircraft to fight with----.
This sounds like 1000 Altay tanks by 2020, just 500 times more ridiculouslong term 5000 KAAN jets
so far I haven't seen any evidence of that, nice if true but I doubt we'll need it.
As of yet we have no problems getting the engines we want.