Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[Beidou2020]

The Turks hear are hilarious. Acting big and tough then running to NATO for "consultation" after the downing the bomber ,then claiming they did not know the aircraft was Russian (idiots). Turkey has cried about violations by Russian aircraft but Turkey itself is one of the worst violators of air incursions and they payed for it before by having the Greeks and Syrians shoot down Turkish aircraft. @T-123456 the Turks had it coming as well from the Syrians and Greeks and soon when the Turks screw up again like they did with the Greeks and Syrian they will be downed.

The Turks have threatened Russia to not bomb "turkmen" yet the day after the shoot down Russia not only bombed Turkmen but Turkish "aid" trucks on the border as well as the FSA. Turkey did nothing. Russia is trying to bait Turkish aircraft into a confrontation so they can shoot down Turkish fighters without much political blowback. When SU-30s lock onto Turkish F-16s for 5 minutes it just shows that those crusty F-16 can be downed anytime. @Beidou2020 the Turks are now barking while Russia is calmly calling their bluff and baiting them it.

Militarily Russia can wipe the floor with Turkey if they so chose to but the consequences would be the start of ww3. The Turks don't understand that Russia can hit any part of Turkey with cruise and ICBMs launched from Russian territory or from naval vessels or submarines, while at the same time being able to shoot down virtually almost any Turkish aircraft in or outside of Turkey due to the air defense network that now covers much of Turkey.

What the Turks did is cowardly. Sneak attacked a Russian bomber taking out Turkmen terrorists and quickly ran away to hide behind NATO's skirt. They haven't done anything since to protect their Turkmen people.

Russia sent the Moskva cruiser and S-400 and said any attack on Russian military will face a retaliation.

Turkey thought by downing a Russian bomber that Russia would be scared to bomb the Turkmen in the future.

To bait the Turks even more, Russia absolutely pummelled the Turkmen and destroyed all the aid trucks that carry weapons from Turkey to Suria and Turkey couldn't do a damn thing to stop it.

Russia fully exposed Turkish cowardice. Now Russia has increased its military presence in Syria and made sure pro-Russian Assad will stay in power.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Russia and Putin's anger is understandable , and you said about our leadership is 100%

Turkey was trying to protect its airspace however a normal warning is enough , not necessarily shoot down the plane

While Pakistan- Turkey relations are brotherly , I also feel pain for the loss that Russia suffered due to accident in air

It was political move as immediately after Ukraine also announced they will shoot down any airplane from Russia

I was quite saddened by the loss of pilot life in the incident , it would have been better if Turkey and Russia had cooperated closely

What i mean is RU should not provoke turkey by violating airspace.

It does not make sense . completely meaningless and reckless move .

it did not make any benefit but an perfect excuse for turkey to shoot you when you were bombing oil tankers of turkey.

What RU needs to do is keep bombing ISIS and those oil smugglers

 

[ptldM3]

What the Turks did is cowardly. Sneak attacked a Russian bomber taking out Turkmen terrorists and quickly ran away to hide behind NATO's skirt. They haven't done anything since to protect their Turkmen people.

Russia sent the Moskva cruiser and S-400 and said any attack on Russian military will face a retaliation.

Turkey thought by downing a Russian bomber that Russia would be scared to bomb the Turkmen in the future.

To bait the Turks even more, Russia absolutely pummelled the Turkmen and destroyed all the aid trucks that carry weapons from Turkey to Suria and Turkey couldn't do a damn thing to stop it.

Russia fully exposed Turkish cowardice. Now Russia has increased its military presence in Syria and made sure pro-Russian Assad will stay in power.

Iraqi is now accusing the Turks of violating their airspace (check my thread on that). The Turks took it from the Greeks and the Syrians after after they violated their airspace. Hopefully the Iraqi air force starts shooting down the Turkish intruders along with Russia once Turkey violates Syrian airspace.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am just wondering since , Pakistan's passenger jets sometimes go thru turkey does that mean any danger to Pakistan Airline planes flying around turkey I am just saying

The anti air missiles are quite unforgiving to any plane passenger or military

Hope this does not escalates to a next level

But Turkey is right to protect its airspace and so is Russia to clear out any / all rebels

 

[TurAr]

Unfortunately, god cant save turkey now.

The thing about us is we never get angry. We have been playing this game with the Americans for decades and we know how to keep cool under pressure rather than start shaking uncontrollably and get over-excited like arabs/turks. Most importantly, we enjoy being under pressure while they fear it.

Due to our lack of anger and immediate action, the turks are thinking we just saw our fighter go down and accepted it. Or maybe forgot about it.

But Russians never forget and sure as hell never forgive. We plan for revenge 10-20 even 50 years from now. And that revenge absolutely ruins our enemy from within and makes them wish they got a short and sweet end instead.

lol

Are you for real? The highest Russian officials have made the most retarded accusations possible against Turkey out of pure rage. Russia did the most pathetic thing like hitting aid trucks which is now apparently being denied by Russian military officials. A rage which is the result of Russia's incompetence in finding a suitable answer against Turkey to ease the butt pain of young Ivans such as yourself. Which resulted in knee-jerk emotional, thus, dumb declarations by the Russian leadership despite Turkey's cold headed efforts to de-escalate.

As if it isn't the Russian President and PM who were acting like over-emotional teenage girls who were recently dumped by their BFs. "Due to our lack of anger" he says

Bratan, it is Turkey you are talking about. Not Ukraine or Georgia. It already cost you a jet and a helicopter along with their pilots. I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't take revenge, but you gotta do a lot more than not having our tomatoes into your pale vitaminless bodies or hitting aid trucks and then denying it Pathetic.

 

[LeGenD]

Nuclear umbrella doesn't matter.They will back off as was the case with Ukraine.

Time to develop independent nuclear program.

I can't believe that a regional power like Turkey don't have nukes

Turkey is a member of NATO and its situation is different from that of Ukraine.

Oh yes. if SU-24 was = SU 30 then there was no need to make Su 30 in the first place, isn't it ?

and Su30 is an sir superiority fighter not a bomber like Su 24. SU 24s are not supposed to operate in Contested air space SU 30 are supposed to fight in a Contested airspace very different aircraft. It was dumb of Russia to not to have any Air Superiority Aircraft in the area.

about reading Wikipedia, read roles of aircraft too..

In a modern battle, situation awareness makes considerably difference. Under the right circumstances, any Jet Fighter can be defeated.

NATO members have excellent surveillance apparatus at their disposal.

Turkey is far from called strong, you don't have nuke, you don't even have a proper Sam system.

Turkey maintains a stockpile of nuclear weapons. Furthermore, Turkey can request deployment of long-range SAM systems from other NATO partners if the situation demands it.

These are the perks of being a NATO member. Don't be naive.

Syrian regime strongly condemns Turkish violation of it's country's sovereignty...

Pakistan is not a super military power but still it can be useful to break countries just like in old days in case of USSR.

We didn't break USSR.

Turkey of today reminds me of Pakistan of 80's:
-Conflicts in neighbouring countries-Check
-Directly or in directly supporting insurgents in that country-Check
-Russian intervention-Check
-Downing of Russian jets-Check
-Being frontline state in a US led coalition-Check
-Islamic radicalisation creeping into society-Check
-Millions of refugees flooding in-Check

Expecting a different fate then that of Pakistan will be like living in fools paradise.

The dynamics of relationship between Turkey and US are different from the relationship between Pakistan and US.

Turkey had no choice but to get involved in the Syrian mess due to massive refugee crises.

Of course it's a very big deal. Big enough for full blown strikes from Russia. Why they won't retaliate?

If Russia don't retaliate now against Turkey it will

1)be a huge blow to putin political carrier
2)This will weaken Russian stands at global stage for sure.
3)Insecurity with in Russian allies too.

So make no mistake. Save your bragging for time being. We will know the result practically..

You think that Russians do not think about the consequences of their actions? Contrary to the popular belief, they are not irrational either.

Incidents can fuel anger but at the end of the day, a leader should think rationally.

Whatever Russia may plan to do, it will be a calculative move. However, expecting Russia to (directly) exchange blows with Turkey on a single incident is bit too much. Russians should understand that they cannot have their way in the entire world.

If Turkey have drawn a red line, Russia should respect it. No need to escalate the issue.

It's normal for Muslims to own Russians, Afghans turned the USSR into the timid-no longer believes in communism- poor man's version of U.S.
Let this be a warning to you Russia, or we will turn your country to the Chechnyan Islamic Republic.

Don't be naive.

Russians overwhelmed Chechyna and annexed it not long ago. Now, before you tout that Chechnya was nothing, read about the first Russo-Chechen conflict.

Afghanistan was transformed in to an allied front against communist forces with billions of dollars of aid (funding, weapons and training) provided to so-called Mujahideen factions. This war was no longer fair afterwards because Mujahideen factions would seek refuge in Pakistani territory to recover and replenish their ranks. It was like an endless wave of resistance. On top of this, Red Army was lacking in quality and cost of military operations was increasing in each passing year. USSR was not economically doing well during this era and decided to call it off.

lol afghans without a country with only ak and man pads ended your empire and drove it to a sewer and still could not recover from it till this day.

Hint: Boris Yeltsin

Contrary to the popular belief, Afghan war had no effect on the integrity of USSR.

Im a staunch and firm supporter and backer of Turkish great nation and their Armed Forces. But on this i must take a moral position. Russia is fighting ISIS - if NATO is serious about fighting ISIS (it isnt, it's supporting ISIS) then they would let the Russians do their job. Syrian govt. authorized them to be in Syrian airspace.

Proper protocol is to make radio contact and/or intercept the SU-24s and escort them out if they intrude Turkish air space despite warnings to desist. Shooting down the aircraft was a huge escalation and not necessary (my opinion). The poor pilot of that aircraft was hit by small arms fire by FSA/ISIS terrorists supported by Obama govt Qatar etc and others (France even). IS this right? Do these terrorists care a damn about Geneva Conventions? Russia has my support when it comes to anti ISIS operations and saving Syria from destruction. Russia and Turkiye need to quickly sit down and un-do the flames before they become on a direct confrontation course which would only help to serve ISIS (Daish). **** that. Dont lose focus from the mission!

Obama and USA - stop supporting ISIS!

US and Turkey are not supporting ISIS; they support FSA and Turkmen.

Turkmen is the second largest ethnic group in Syria.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait support ISIS in clandestine manner and US and Turkey are silent about it. Its a fair game as long as ISIS is challenging Syrian regime.

Why destroy enemy of an enemy? This is the logic at works.

In all honesty, its a big mess.

Unfortunately we see Pakistan as an Arab slave state. They have no power to think for themselves.

If they did, they would have the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline open by now to get cheap gas from Iran and reduce dependency on the gulf.

So unless you guys can stand up on your own feet and think for yourself, we have no respect for you.

Pakistan, under the right leadership (i.e. COAS Raheel Sharif), refused to support Arabs in the conflict in Yemen and wants to improve relationship with Russia. Pakistan should not have enmity with Russia.

I believe that Pakistan have learned a valuable lesson from its past experiences; Pakistan should look after its own interests.

Unfortunately, Pakistani politicians are not so mature yet. Politicians such as Imran Khan are rare and they do not get enough support.

We are not slaves of anyone. Mind your language Cyka. Turks are our brothers and will continue to be until the end of the world. Iran and Russia can only our economic friends and nothing more thn that. Majority of Pakistanis support Syrian rebels because Assad is a mad dog and shud be put down but Russia just for the sake of diverting international attention from Ukraine, is supporting an oppressor. You will see more bloodshed this is just the beginning.

I am sorry but Pakistan have nothing to do with this matter. Pakistan should look after its own interests.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Turkey is a member of NATO and its situation is different from that of Ukraine.


In a modern battle, situation awareness makes considerably difference. Under the right circumstances, any Jet Fighter can be defeated.

NATO members have excellent surveillance apparatus at their disposal.


Turkey maintains a stockpile of nuclear weapons. Furthermore, Turkey can request deployment of long-range SAM systems from other NATO partners if the situation demands it.

These are the perks of being a NATO member. Don't be naive.





We didn't break USSR.


The dynamics of relationship between Turkey and US are different from the relationship between Pakistan and US.

Turkey had no choice but to get involved in the Syrian mess due to massive refugee crises.


You think that Russians do not think about the consequences of their actions? Contrary to the popular belief, they are not irrational either.

Incidents can fuel anger but at the end of the day, a leader should think rationally.

Whatever Russia may plan to do, it will be a calculative move. However, expecting Russia to (directly) exchange blows with Turkey on a single incident is bit too much. Russians should understand that they cannot have their way in the entire world.

If Turkey have drawn a red line, Russia should respect it. No need to escalate the issue.


Don't be naive.

Russians overwhelmed Chechyna and annexed it not long ago. Now, before you tout that Chechnya was nothing, read about the first Russo-Chechen conflict.

Afghanistan was transformed in to an allied front against communist forces with billions of dollars of aid (funding, weapons and training) provided to so-called Mujahideen factions. This war was no longer fair afterwards because Mujahideen factions would seek refuge in Pakistani territory to recover and replenish their ranks. It was like an endless wave of resistance. On top of this, Red Army was lacking in quality and cost of military operations was increasing in each passing year. USSR was not economically doing well during this era and decided to call it off.


Hint: Boris Yeltsin

Contrary to the popular belief, Afghan war had no effect on the integrity of USSR.


US and Turkey are not supporting ISIS; they support FSA and Turkmen.

Turkmen is the second largest ethnic group in Syria.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait support ISIS in clandestine manner and US and Turkey are silent about it. Its a fair game as long as ISIS is challenging Syrian regime.

Why destroy enemy of an enemy? This is the logic at works.

In all honesty, its a big mess.


Pakistan, under the right leadership (i.e. COAS Raheel Sharif), refused to support Arabs in the conflict in Yemen and wants to improve relationship with Russia. Pakistan should not have enmity with Russia.

I believe that Pakistan have learned a valuable lesson from its past experiences; Pakistan should look after its own interests.

Unfortunately, Pakistani politicians are not so mature yet. Politicians such as Imran Khan are rare and they do not get enough support.


I am sorry but Pakistan have nothing to do with this matter. Pakistan should look after its own interests.

I never suggested Turkiye is supporting ISIS and I'm aware about Turkmen community of Syria (yes Turkiye is actively backing them)..

the real reason for this conflict is about Assad and pipeline politics and weakening Iran/Hezbollah. That's all this is about.

from the Turkish perspective ISIS is a threat - but they perceive PKK to be an even bigger threat which in the historical context is understandable.

 

[batmannow]

I never suggested Turkiye is supporting ISIS and I'm aware about Turkmen community of Syria (yes Turkiye is actively backing them)..

the real reason for this conflict is about Assad and pipeline politics and weakening Iran/Hezbollah. That's all this is about.

from the Turkish perspective ISIS is a threat - but they perceive PKK to be an even bigger threat which in the historical context is understandable.

For Turkey ISIS is their pet terrorists , ISIS can't go nose to nose with turkey , cause it the only source which is buying their illegal oil shipments ?
Thats why , from Iraq to sirya ISIS has the policy to rattle PKK or any kind of Kurdish rebellion ?
Thousands of Kurdish peoples heads been chopped off , by ISIS since they took the power ?
Turkey has no idea , how fast this world has changed after Paris attacks , even though being a vocal partner in crimes with USA & its NATO & non NATO allies like Israel & ksa , turkey still think that west is still interested in getting rid of Assad govt in sirya , while west already established that getting rid of Asad govt means handing over more land & power to ISIS , that's why they have dumped , this whole conspirated mission , cause lot of their super EU allies are not with them on sirya , they are with Russia this time ?
Many of them are more interested to flat the siryan lands with airel bombing & that's it .

 

[Gibbs]

Turkey 'will work' to calm tension over downed Russian jet - BBC News

Looks like the rhetoric from Erdogan and his goons is softening after a good telling off from his NATO masters.. Thats the reality

Chest thumping is good for the ignorant masses but it's never too late to realize the epic shit he got himself and the country in to..

" However, he told France 24 television: "If we had known it was a Russian plane, maybe we would have warned it differently"

 

[Beidou2020]

Turkey 'will work' to calm tension over downed Russian jet - BBC News

Looks like the rhetoric from Erdogan and his goons is softening after a good telling off from his NATO masters.. Thats the reality

Chest thumping is good for the ignorant masses but it's never too late to realize the epic shit he got himself and the country in to..

" However, he told France 24 television: "If we had known it was a Russian plane, maybe we would have warned it differently"

Too late.

Russia won't give a damn and will continue to bomb the crap out of Turkmen and 'aid' trucks.

 

[pher]

Turkey 'will work' to calm tension over downed Russian jet - BBC News

Looks like the rhetoric from Erdogan and his goons is softening after a good telling off from his NATO masters.. Thats the reality

Chest thumping is good for the ignorant masses but it's never too late to realize the epic shit he got himself and the country in to..

" However, he told France 24 television: "If we had known it was a Russian plane, maybe we would have warned it differently"

This is a total shamless lie from turkey. despicable!!!

 

[Gibbs]

Too late.

Russia won't give a damn and will continue to bomb the crap out of Turkmen and 'aid' trucks.

No they wont.. Russians will make them pay today or sometime in the future.. My point was to show the futile chest thumping here by some Turkish posters, Way over playing their importance and capabilities.. Shooting down a bomber with combat air craft and killing in cold blood an identified combatant in a non conflict situation is not something to crow about, How to defuse the situation after mind boggling stupidity would be

Without retorting to simply disgusting posting pics of desecrating dead service men, Silly chest beating, Accusing neutrals of being anti Turkish, They need to understand the utter stupid action taken by their leadership for very brittle reasons of territorial integrity.. Stupid actions that the general public of Turkey will have to pay for with disastrous consequences

This is a total shamless lie from turkey. despicable!!!

Futile attempt at damage control.. It's too late

 

[TurAr]

Turkey 'will work' to calm tension over downed Russian jet - BBC News

Looks like the rhetoric from Erdogan and his goons is softening after a good telling off from his NATO masters.. Thats the reality

Chest thumping is good for the ignorant masses but it's never too late to realize the epic shit he got himself and the country in to..

" However, he told France 24 television: "If we had known it was a Russian plane, maybe we would have warned it differently"

Turkey's rhetoric has always been the same since the very beginning of the incident. Cold headed and calm. While Russians are still in rage to say the least. Though it's normal. They played with fire, and they got shit on all over their 50 years of arrogance.

We have informed the world through UN and our alies through NATO as we should have. We also have informed Russian officials about the whys and hows of the incident as well. As a result we enjoy the world's support while Putin is too busy with trying to save face by making retarded declarations about Turkey and escalating the situation despite pretty much every country that matters in the World accepted Turkey's version as the truth.

Btw, I doubt Erdogan said that since yesterday he said: the result would be the same if a Russian jet to violate Turkish airspace once again.

 

[russiarussia]

Russia will give the answer inside Syria to the Turkish government.

 

[pher]

No they wont.. Russians will make them pay today or sometime in the future.. My point was to show the futile chest thumping here by some Turkish posters, Way over playing their importance and capabilities

Without retorting to simply disgusting posting pics of desecrating dead service men, Silly chest beating, Accusing neutrals of being anti Turkish, They need to understand the utter stupid action taken by their leadership for very brittle reasons of territorial integrity.. Stupid actions that the general public of Turkey will have to pay for with disastrous consequences



Futile attempt at damage control.. It's too late

turks brag without limits on this forum as if they were world no1 power.

In reality, just 15 minutes after russian jet down, they rushed to cry before Nato for help, then immediately paying visits to P5. what a coward!!! besides, this kind of damage is already beyond their ability to control, they must pay heavy price.