Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[KingWest]

i agree with what you say but when turkey is taking part in malicious actvities then dont you think that there are taking steps to being an unstable country. also if you look deeper in to the problem, which is, IS now dont you hink that if turkey stoped buying oil from IS dont you think that this will contribute toward choking them? also its worth pointing out here the revinue is worth about $50 million per day and then sold on to europe. this is indeed a "stab in the back" as far as im concernd the turkish government is no differant to IS.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/56d7e97e-35de-11e5-b05b-b01debd57852.html

If IS gets most of their revenue by selling oil, than why dont Russia/US/FRANCE bomb those oil raffinaderies?

 

[Ceylal]

They are kebab shop owners. lol

of course they are...selling kebabs

 

[lionheartsalahudin]

well turkish brothers the american nukes in storgae with u ,u don't have the codes for ,but hey let me say on behalf of pakistan any time u need nukes u would probably get them at a small price from pakistan heck we might even thow in a few shaheen missiles ,we can have a understanding just like with the saudis on nukes u invest in our nuclear programme and when the time comes we slip u what u need win win hey!
russian s-400 and moskova s-300 is more of a intimidation nothing more russians will not mess with turkey unless tuaf shows up on top of latakia airfeild then they will be asking for it,only people that will suffer in the bears retaliation will probably be the turkmens in syria ,but i think that was a excuse to begin with from turks to score points with local tukey turks so turkey won't care look pakistani pakhtoons don't care who bombs pakhtoons in afghanistan for their bad deeds .

anyhow russia needed an excuse to get some anti air missiles in their and turkey provided that excuse ,now russians will have more bargaining power in the end when every one of the player sits arnd the table to negotiate russia might get a lease on the tartus naval base and russia would probably exile asad back to russia and every one gets a win yay!

Source: Russia deploys advanced S-400 air-defence missile system in Syria | Page 3

 

[SiCiSi]

Pakistan is doing very well at the moment dear chap. Attacks have been bought down to negligible levels. Don't drag Pakistan into all this because you're upset your plane was shot down.....

I dont have time for dragging anyone into anything. Im telling you the truth and if you dont like it. Too bad.

Attacks in your country have been brought down because your PM is a billionaire and with residences and businesses in the middle east. He stopped construction of the Iran-pak pipeline as ordered by the arabs.

Mark my words if you want, the attacks in pakistan will resume as soon as you have a leader who decides to go ahead with that pipeline. Arabs want pakistanis weak and dependent on gulf oil. They will do everything in their power to make sure that state of dependence remains. You cannot do anything about it even if you wanted.

As for pakistan doing well, you still cant provide electricity to your people despite the largest oil producer in the world being your primary 'muslim brother' and still need foreign aid to eat.

Doing very well indeed.

I pray the end game doesnt hurt Turkey

Unfortunately, god cant save turkey now.

The thing about us is we never get angry. We have been playing this game with the Americans for decades and we know how to keep cool under pressure rather than start shaking uncontrollably and get over-excited like arabs/turks. Most importantly, we enjoy being under pressure while they fear it.

Due to our lack of anger and immediate action, the turks are thinking we just saw our fighter go down and accepted it. Or maybe forgot about it.

But Russians never forget and sure as hell never forgive. We plan for revenge 10-20 even 50 years from now. And that revenge absolutely ruins our enemy from within and makes them wish they got a short and sweet end instead.

 

[Siavash]

Aren't you afraid of that Turkey? Don't you remember what did it do to you?

Battle of Chaldiran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was so humiliating, more humiliating than the way a turkey eats a poor worm.


Why you guys always feel to be compelled to suck up to somebody? If you don't want to support your Arab brothers, then it's fine but don't suck up to their enemies and call yourself an Arab nationalist. It's disgusting and pathetic.

So you are accepting both Turkey's have resemblences! Do you realize how pathetic is your reply?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It does not matter how long this time is.

Will you allow me to stay in your bedroom for 17s without your permission ?

I dont have time for dragging anyone into anything. Im telling you the truth and if you dont like it. Too bad.

Attacks in your country have been brought down because your PM is a billionaire and with residences and businesses in the middle east. He stopped construction of the Iran-pak pipeline as ordered by the arabs.

Mark my words if you want, the attacks in pakistan will resume as soon as you have a leader who decides to go ahead with that pipeline. Arabs want pakistanis weak and dependent on gulf oil. They will do everything in their power to make sure that state of dependence remains. You cannot do anything about it even if you wanted.

As for pakistan doing well, you still cant provide electricity to your people despite the largest oil producer in the world being your primary 'muslim brother' and still need foreign aid to eat.

Doing very well indeed.



Unfortunately, god cant save turkey now.

The thing about us is we never get angry. We have been playing this game with the Americans for decades and we know how to keep cool under pressure rather than start shaking uncontrollably and get over-excited like arabs/turks. Most importantly, we enjoy being under pressure while they fear it.

Due to our lack of anger and immediate action, the turks are thinking we just saw our fighter go down and accepted it. Or maybe forgot about it.

But Russians never forget and sure as hell never forgive. We plan for revenge 10-20 even 50 years from now. And that revenge absolutely ruins our enemy from within and makes them wish they got a short and sweet end instead.

Russia and Putin's anger is understandable , and you said about our leadership is 100%

Turkey was trying to protect its airspace however a normal warning is enough , not necessarily shoot down the plane

While Pakistan- Turkey relations are brotherly , I also feel pain for the loss that Russia suffered due to accident in air

It was political move as immediately after Ukraine also announced they will shoot down any airplane from Russia

I was quite saddened by the loss of pilot life in the incident , it would have been better if Turkey and Russia had cooperated closely

 

[Jason Zhao]

Who says russia is untouchable are they God?
Doesnt matter we know or not, the King of the world even didnt condescend to identify themselves so its a hit, proofs are everywhere .

You must understand what we really need nowardays, the way? every country is touchable, USA, RUSSIA, UK, CHINA, INDIA, all you can touch, but this is really what you want? All are in peach, harding for econormy, why not calm down to talk please? Russia killed your friends, you can tell UN, UN come out to solve it, why UN is being, it is not a toy.

Calm down, sit together, have a nice communication, all of you are strong country, fighting is not good to the world...

 

[Siavash]

You farsi members here are nothing more than air baloon.. shame on you guys that you use the word promise for any shit.. Learn something from Turks. we promised and we downed the plane...keep barking kids, we are busy with actions..

I also promised to butcher one after warning him in Farsi and I will do that! We are both good at our promises but one is not savage and one is proud to be one!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

So what is Iran's stance on the Russian - Turk , power struggle in region.

 

[Azeri440]

Erdogan'son in the company with two Daesh chieftains




A small photograph that speaks volumes about the policy pursued by Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

showing the son of Turkish President, Bilal, in good company with two Daesh chieftains oil exporters.

Russia locks the Syrian air space.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1681514285424654

it certainly speaks volume regarding your stupidity
they own a pretty famous restaurant in Turkey , and here is even a thread on reddit about it

RT uses Bilal Erdogan's photo with a kebab restaurant's bearded owner as "a proof of Turkey's support to ISIS" (x-post from /r/Turkey) : europe

 

[cnleio]

 

[T-123456]

@Irfan Baloch ,i know you have a different view on this case but what a normaly anti-Turkiye English news paper wrote about it is quite interesting.

The Russians had it coming to them
Now the Turks have shot down a Russian warplane, Mr Putin might finally understand that if you play with fire, you end up getting burned

Until Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet over its border with Syria on Tuesday, Vladimir Putin seemed to have convinced himself that Nato countries were just not serious about confronting Russia’s increasingly belligerent military conduct.

The Russian president recently made this view known when close aides warned him of Britain’s views on Russia. They told him that, when Britain outlined its National Security Strategy as part of the 2015 defence review, it would argue that, after Islamic State (Isil), Russia posed the greatest threat to global peace. But rather than being alarmed that his country was being cast in the same mould as the barbaric followers of Isil, Mr Putin simply shrugged. “Don’t worry,” he reassured his aides. “The British aren’t serious.”

And, given the impotent response by Britain and its Nato allies to Moscow’s various acts of aggression over the past decade, who could blame the Russian leader for his nonchalance? Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine, the Baltics, Syria: the roll call of Mr Putin’s unwelcome meddling in the affairs of other nations does not make happy reading for Western leaders. And yet, until yesterday, Nato had done precious little to persuade Mr Putin to rethink his cavalier attitude towards other nations’ borders.

Nato turned a blind eye when, in retaliation for Georgia’s attempts to join the Nato alliance in 2008, Moscow helped itself to the former Georgian territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Last year’s illegal annexation of Crimea is now a fait accompli so far as Russia is concerned, while Nato’s response to the Kremlin’s continued sabre-rattling in eastern Ukraine and the Baltics has been to conduct a few war games and bolster its air patrols.

So when Mr Putin embarked on his Syrian adventure earlier in the autumn, he had little reason to heed Nato’s blunt warnings of the serious consequences Russia might face if its warplanes continued to violate the airspace of Turkey, one of the alliance’s more volatile members.

Mr Putin’s belief that he could conduct Russia’s dealings in Syria with arrogant disregard for other regional concerns resulted in yesterday’s disaster. But as the world knows only too well from bitter experience, fundamental misunderstandings of this kind are how world wars get started.

Mr Putin continues to insist that Russia’s military intervention in support of the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad is aimed at destroying Isil, even though his critics claim the reality is that the Russians are concentrating their firepower on bombing Syrian opposition groups, many of which have Turkish backing. The Turks, who harbour their own desire to remove Assad, have been angered by Russia’s intervention, particularly as it has led to Russian warplanes violating Turkish air space when they bomb rebel positions in northern Syria.

Last month these careless Russian antics prompted the US and its Nato allies to issue a blunt warning that the alliance would respond militarily if Moscow continued with what Nato leaders called “unacceptable violations of Turkish air space". This time around, Mr Putin should have taken Nato’s warnings at face value, particularly as the Turks were itching to teach the Russians a lesson. He didn’t, and now he must deal with the consequences of a Turkish F-16 shooting down a Russian Sukhoi SU-24 while on a bombing raid against Turkmen positions close to the Turkish border. If Mr Putin wants to play with fire, then he needs to learn he will end up getting burned.

The challenge now, for Nato as well as for Russia, is to prevent tensions between Moscow and Ankara from spiralling out of control. Turkey’s relations with Russia are already strained following Moscow’s Syrian intervention, with the Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan warning that Turkey could cut its lucrative energy ties with Russia. The Turks would certainly resist any attempt by Russia to launch retaliatory action against the Turkmen, who yesterday claimed they had shot dead the two Russian pilots as they attempted to parachute to safety, although this was later denied by Turkish officials.

Turkey funds a number of Turkmen militias in northern Syria that are fighting to overthrow the Assad regime. It is unlikely the Turks would tolerate Russian attacks on their ethnic allies, which could easily lead to direct military confrontation between Russia and Turkey, with all the implications that would have for the Nato alliance, which would then be obliged to defend Turkey’s borders.

Mr Putin has badly misread Turkey’s determination to defend its interests and, by so doing, has further complicated the tangled web of alliances that underpin the Syrian conflict. He has also made life more difficult for David Cameron, who will tomorrow tell the Commons about his own plans for Britain to participate in the air war against Isil. Like Mr Putin, Mr Cameron says he wants to launch air strikes against Isil in Syria. But, after yesterday, Mr Cameron can be in no doubt that, however he views Mr Putin’s role in the conflict, it will most certainly not be that of an ally.
The Russians had it coming to them - Telegraph

For me,it looks like this was planned by NATO to send a message to Putin.

 

[Beidou2020]

lol

Watching these braindead Ivans desperately trying to save face is priceless... I like how they think they can cripple Turkish Airforce by placing some missiles within the range of Turkish artillery and by sending a ship onto our lap...

As always, Russia played with fire but this time it got burned. Hopefully, next time it won't confuse Turkey with Ukraine or Georgia for its own sake. Because Turkey wouldn't mind humiliating it once again.

The only humiliation that's occurred is time after time Russia giving military defeat after military defeat to the Turks century after century.

S-400 can wipe out your ENTIRE Air Force. A bunch of old and outdated F-16 stand no chance against Su-27 and Mig-29 let alone Su-30 and Su-35. Russian cruise missiles will destroy all your SAMs and command and control centres.

You didn't like Russia bombing your grey wolves on the Turkish border and you did a sneak against Russian bombers and ran away to NATO.

Russia in response bombed the living crap out of the grey wolves and Turkey hasn't done jack since to stop Russia.

You can't even protect your own people from getting bombed to shreds by the Russian Air Force because you no longer can't do a sneak attack and you don't have enough courage to go head to head against Russia.

Watch and witness your Turkmen grey wolves get wiped out by the Russian Air Force.

You took one Russian life, Russia just took thousands of Turk lives in return. How's that working out for ya?

Don't mess with Russia!

@Irfan Baloch ,i know you have a different view on this case but what a normaly anti-Turkiye English news paper wrote about it is quite interesting.

The Russians had it coming to them
Now the Turks have shot down a Russian warplane, Mr Putin might finally understand that if you play with fire, you end up getting burned

Until Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet over its border with Syria on Tuesday, Vladimir Putin seemed to have convinced himself that Nato countries were just not serious about confronting Russia’s increasingly belligerent military conduct.

The Russian president recently made this view known when close aides warned him of Britain’s views on Russia. They told him that, when Britain outlined its National Security Strategy as part of the 2015 defence review, it would argue that, after Islamic State (Isil), Russia posed the greatest threat to global peace. But rather than being alarmed that his country was being cast in the same mould as the barbaric followers of Isil, Mr Putin simply shrugged. “Don’t worry,” he reassured his aides. “The British aren’t serious.”

And, given the impotent response by Britain and its Nato allies to Moscow’s various acts of aggression over the past decade, who could blame the Russian leader for his nonchalance? Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine, the Baltics, Syria: the roll call of Mr Putin’s unwelcome meddling in the affairs of other nations does not make happy reading for Western leaders. And yet, until yesterday, Nato had done precious little to persuade Mr Putin to rethink his cavalier attitude towards other nations’ borders.

Nato turned a blind eye when, in retaliation for Georgia’s attempts to join the Nato alliance in 2008, Moscow helped itself to the former Georgian territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Last year’s illegal annexation of Crimea is now a fait accompli so far as Russia is concerned, while Nato’s response to the Kremlin’s continued sabre-rattling in eastern Ukraine and the Baltics has been to conduct a few war games and bolster its air patrols.

So when Mr Putin embarked on his Syrian adventure earlier in the autumn, he had little reason to heed Nato’s blunt warnings of the serious consequences Russia might face if its warplanes continued to violate the airspace of Turkey, one of the alliance’s more volatile members.

Mr Putin’s belief that he could conduct Russia’s dealings in Syria with arrogant disregard for other regional concerns resulted in yesterday’s disaster. But as the world knows only too well from bitter experience, fundamental misunderstandings of this kind are how world wars get started.

Mr Putin continues to insist that Russia’s military intervention in support of the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad is aimed at destroying Isil, even though his critics claim the reality is that the Russians are concentrating their firepower on bombing Syrian opposition groups, many of which have Turkish backing. The Turks, who harbour their own desire to remove Assad, have been angered by Russia’s intervention, particularly as it has led to Russian warplanes violating Turkish air space when they bomb rebel positions in northern Syria.

Last month these careless Russian antics prompted the US and its Nato allies to issue a blunt warning that the alliance would respond militarily if Moscow continued with what Nato leaders called “unacceptable violations of Turkish air space". This time around, Mr Putin should have taken Nato’s warnings at face value, particularly as the Turks were itching to teach the Russians a lesson. He didn’t, and now he must deal with the consequences of a Turkish F-16 shooting down a Russian Sukhoi SU-24 while on a bombing raid against Turkmen positions close to the Turkish border. If Mr Putin wants to play with fire, then he needs to learn he will end up getting burned.

The challenge now, for Nato as well as for Russia, is to prevent tensions between Moscow and Ankara from spiralling out of control. Turkey’s relations with Russia are already strained following Moscow’s Syrian intervention, with the Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan warning that Turkey could cut its lucrative energy ties with Russia. The Turks would certainly resist any attempt by Russia to launch retaliatory action against the Turkmen, who yesterday claimed they had shot dead the two Russian pilots as they attempted to parachute to safety, although this was later denied by Turkish officials.

Turkey funds a number of Turkmen militias in northern Syria that are fighting to overthrow the Assad regime. It is unlikely the Turks would tolerate Russian attacks on their ethnic allies, which could easily lead to direct military confrontation between Russia and Turkey, with all the implications that would have for the Nato alliance, which would then be obliged to defend Turkey’s borders.

Mr Putin has badly misread Turkey’s determination to defend its interests and, by so doing, has further complicated the tangled web of alliances that underpin the Syrian conflict. He has also made life more difficult for David Cameron, who will tomorrow tell the Commons about his own plans for Britain to participate in the air war against Isil. Like Mr Putin, Mr Cameron says he wants to launch air strikes against Isil in Syria. But, after yesterday, Mr Cameron can be in no doubt that, however he views Mr Putin’s role in the conflict, it will most certainly not be that of an ally.
The Russians had it coming to them - Telegraph

For me,it looks like this was planned by NATO to send a message to Putin.

Only one getting burnt are Turkish and Western ambitions to topple Assad.

Russia now deployed the world best SAM S-400 to Syria which now pretty much cover all of Syria and Russia has wiped out the Turkmen grey wolves. Turkey's ambitions of topping Assad has been eliminated.

Assad will stay in power and Russia will make sure of it. As a bonus, Russia gets to increase its military influence in Syria and the Middle East.

 

[Malik Alashter]

dude stop you are the joke of century your army of 50 000 ran away from 5000 and 90% of your country fell to daiesh so you brought the irani to fight for you and they got owned real hard until your baba USA came to save your butt.
you cant change history boy. a coward is still a coward we still remember when you throw out your military clothes and burned your ids in the early 2000 and we know which part of you country who kept fighting till the end.

Look who talk?.

Arn't you guys running your butt every day from the hخuthiss who have nothing more than ak and some old konkurs you with all your fancy air force all you could do killing kids and women attacking hospitals and market while give your fat a$$ to the wind hopefully it help you with a push.

If there is a joke is you and your allies with all the budget all you got is your butt been smashed.

 

[ptldM3]

The Turks hear are hilarious. Acting big and tough then running to NATO for "consultation" after the downing of the bomber ,then claiming they did not know the aircraft was Russian (idiots). Turkey has cried about violations by Russian aircraft but Turkey itself is one of the worst violators of air incursions and they payed for it before by having the Greeks and Syrians shoot down Turkish aircraft. @T-123456 the Turks had it coming as well from the Syrians and Greeks and soon when the Turks screw up again like they did with the Greeks and Syrian they will be downed.

The Turks have threatened Russia to not bomb "turkmen" yet the day after the shoot down Russia not only bombed Turkmen but Turkish "aid" trucks on the border as well as the FSA. Turkey did nothing. Russia is trying to bait Turkish aircraft into a confrontation so they can shoot down Turkish fighters without much political blowback. When SU-30s lock onto Turkish F-16s for 5 minutes it just shows that those crusty F-16 can be downed anytime. @Beidou2020 the Turks are now barking while Russia is calmly calling their bluff and baiting them in.

Militarily Russia can wipe the floor with Turkey if they so chose to but the consequences would be the start of ww3. The Turks don't understand that Russia can hit any part of Turkey with cruise missiles and ICBMs launched from Russian territory or from naval vessels or submarines, while at the same time being able to shoot down virtually almost any Turkish aircraft in or outside of Turkey due to the air defense network that now covers much of Turkey.