To all anti-army nooras - with love

[Viper0011.]

PML-N has brought themselves in a dead end situation.

1) If PM resigns, then it means they have accepted moral defeat against PTI and PAT, and it will conclude that N-League came into power after doing massive rigging.

2) If PM doesn't resign, then for how long they will be able to contain PTI and PAT protesters. PAT protesters are already preparing for collision with police right now (watch tv channels). If any collision happens, and anything bad happens to PAT / PTI people, govt will be under fire. So this situation is also a loss for govt.

3) Army is not interested in making a coup and oust N-League govt to end their misery.].

LOL, please share the script you guys read from. It's funny how propaganda come in in its shape on who gets it. Allow me to correct you:

1) The ONLY groups of extremist platoons who've gotten to a closed, dead-end street are the two idiots and 20k users who are trying to hi-jack a 200 MILLION population's constitution. That's it. Why call COAS and others trying to find an escape route when they should be negotiating with the government. But WAIT, they didn't want to negotiate with the government to begin with and now they have no choice. Face Saving is needed.

2) They've remained there for 14 days, they can remain their for another 14. Does it matter to them? Its the country that's getting a hit on the economy for trillions. They obviously have NO SENSE or care for it. Mullah's some people have automatic weapons and the military has identified that as a threat. In any collision, it'll be military protecting these locations. Police is minimal there.
3) LOL, Army isn't interested to end N-League's Misery? Where did you get that? Your mullah Insane and IK was waiting on the call from them to take over. That didn't happen so now its the fact that they don't want to end their misery??? lol, funny.
The military and the political leadership doesn't want to support 20K people's agenda over 200 million people and destabilize the system. The amount of investment and economic growth the NS has brought in, it directly helps the military with weapons purchases and to have more money to safe guard the country. So they are pretty happy with it. Plus, they don't want sanctions that'd cripple them.

 

[Pukhtoon]

Phir wohi toti hue tape ke tarha tar tar.....I said it a gaziilion time that these two puppets wanted dead bodies. They broke their promises to the administration as well as the guarantors (Opposition+Governors) to fulfill their lust of blood and the bigger one (TuQ) cam agonizingly close to it in the last night. There is no way to stop a suicide bomber if he is hell bent on doing so. Imran become one but forgot that one death is certain in a suicidal attack and that is of the suicide bomber.

Phir wohi Kuttay ke dhumm....khair anyways...

Phir wohi tur tur tur.....Waqee a Youthiya by spirit. here have it where it fit you

Turr Turr Turrr lol Kion Bhai Pait kharab hai kia lol

 

[TankMan]

Mullah's FATWA are lies JUST like he's been lying to the entire country and its people. All them Deadlines to go take over the parliament, etc...are WHERE today again? They are GONE.
He wants to go home but he's now stuck in a closed street and can't go back and there is ONE way back, begging the government. He needs face saving and he's begging the military for it along with IK.

That's why they called the COAS to "MEET" and he instead ran that through the interior minister, just the way he's supposed to. And you want be to listen to his FATWAS?? LIAR's FATWA's are ALSO lies. He's responsible for killing and torture of innocent Policemen and burning and destruction of a LOT of public property. Is this what Islam teaches extremist clerics like him? Terrorism? No wonder he has an outstanding non-bailable warrants issued by anti-terrorism court on terrorism related charges, and you think this idiots FATWA's matter when he's involved in so many murders?

When a religious clerk lies to people and brings them out based on religion and puts them at RISK....what moral authority he has to even do this?
And yes, if things go south you'll see people from his protests using weapons. That's guaranteed and that's why the Military had to deploy 111 guys. Otherwise, they were using regular soldiers.

COAS wasn't dragged into this, you guys need to make up your mind. One one hand you say NS begged COAS to come, on the other it is Military wanted to take over this stuff. IK and MULLAH involved the COAS to cause more confusion as THEY KNEW what was coming. There would be an operation if they hadn't shown him they wanted to go home with some face saving.

And mark my words, nothing will change. The only change is, Mullah may never come back doing this again in Pakistan. Second, IK's political future is dead. This is done. Now these guys will go home singing songs that they won. In fact, they are losers and have put through a poor country so much economic destruction

I admit that Qadri has been throwing some deadlines around with no effect but his lies are nothing compared to PMLN's lies.
If Its Qadri and IK that need face-saving, why did the government beg COAS and not PTI/PAT? Is the army lying too? For you, everyone is lying except for PMLN.

"Liar's fatwas are also lies". You don't even know what a Fatwa is, so please don't even talk about this. The point of me mentioning Qadri's fatwa is that Qadri is not with Taliban. The Taliban even issued a threat against him during his previous long march.
Qadri's people have not used guns till now, and I doubt they ever will. If you are talking about 111 brigade, no it has nothing to do with the Qadri threat. Funny thing is, 111 brigade is usually involved in ousting the GOVERNMENT. 111 is not special forces, it's just a Brigade of the regular army.

No, we don't need to make up our minds. The PMLN people are the ones who say that military wanted to take over because they are against Pakistan's army and are the same people who support Geo's Anti-ISI and Anti Army "policy". There would have never been any operation, like I said, Army would never attack a peaceful protest.

No, it's Nawaz who's going down. Either he'll become a political martyr or his political future is dead.

I have told you dozens of times that It was the government who caused all that loss. You should stay out of Pakistan's issues because you have no Idea how stuff works there. And i'm really curious from where you get your news. Not even Indian media says the kind of stuff you constantly repeat.
Don't bother replying with lies because I won't read them anymore.

 

[Jzaib]

SCRIPT reading. I can disclose to you the exact verbiage. But I'll let that go. No one wanted "Army" to take action. If that was the case, it would've happened a LONG time ago. Give credit to where its deserved. You guys seem too emotional about who you like. Emotionality doesn't run a country.

The Red Zone is protected by the Military. When the time comes and these two idiots cross the line, trust me, you get hit by the military. The 111 snipers have been deployed three days ago. Mullah has people who were trained by Taliban and they have automatics weapons. Those people will be taken out. The issue is Women and Children who were out out to the end, facing law enforcement as these extremists want innocent body bags to shine their nasty politics.

And when the time comes (I hope it never does), you'll be shocked to see how the State's muscle will react. Never mess with a system. For reference, see Ferguson, MO anti-riots on Utube.

Next, the military doesn't want to rule the country or even be affiliated with running a government. The COAS is a good guy, very strong general but yet, very smart and democratic. He'll keep the military out of it.

Next, the IK and Mullah need "Face Saving". They are desperate for it. Its about to end.
Have you noticed....all those Gigantic, Threatening talk with DEADLINES is gone??? Why? They need Face Saving. They are in a CLOSED street with a Brick Wall up front. Now, the ONLY way back (With Face Saving) goes through the SAME Government they REFUSED to talk, negotiate with. Shameful, silly and stupid marches, destruction of the economy and loss of 4 Trillion. These guys need to go to the Jail for treason!



You are shameless. You've debated with me on this on another threat. BUT....you still won't debate properly. What's in this tweet you are showing? The Taliban Khan and Mullah Greedy tried to cause confusion between the Military and the Gov't. This TWEET was ISSUED after the approval was received from the Gov't. Contrary to your belief system.

You guys are so desparate and shameless that reality doesn't kick in. How come IK and Mullah haven't given any DEADLINE today??? LOL. End of the story. Games over. These guys are shameless bunch and have NO WHERE to go. Now they want "Face Saving". Back to negotiating with the SAME government they refused to. End of the agenda RIGHT there. Shame on people who supported these idiots who've done nothing but caused extensive damage to their country.

Two thumbs up for the Pakistani military who against the popular belief, supported the government and will kick these people to JAIL as soon as the line is crossed!

lol.. Bro u seem first sensible person after this reply u just seem like typical noon league supporters

 

[Viper0011.]

I admit that Qadri has been throwing some deadlines around with no effect but his lies are nothing compared to PMLN's lies.

"Liar's fatwas are also lies". You don't even know what a Fatwa is, so please don't even talk about this. .

If Its Qadri and IK that need face-saving, why did the government beg COAS and not PTI/PAT? Is the army lying too? For you, everyone is lying except for PMLN.

I will DEFINITELY respond to this as there are some key things here:

1) So bolded line 1 from your response. You are agreeing that Mullah lied and that his lies are NOTHING compared to NS's lies. Ok, let's see. After you obviously know Mullah lied, is it ALLOWED in Islam a LIAR issue a FATWA? A religious clergy is a huge deal no matter what religion it is. Can a religious leader LIE and give ruling on sensitive religious matters? HELL NO!!
Next, add innocent's blood on this mullah's neck, the Policemen who got killed by his followers, the Police stations that got attacked and Property destroyed and burnt. You think all these CRIMES STILL allow him to be a religious leader and provide value to his FATWA's? His religion asks him to be a 100% honest person to be a religious leader. Otherwise he's out and he's clearly a liar as you agreed with me in the first line. NS on the other hand, is NOT a religious leader and his lies or no lies, mean nothing when it comes to the religion and FATWA. The entire argument collapses when a religious leader who gives Fatwa lies.

2) Mullah and IK called the COAS, he THEN called the Interior Minster letting him know that he got called. The interior minister than requested him to use his positive influence to facilitate talks. This isn't allowing the Military to "take over the talks and the decision making". This is JUST using your influence indirectly during the meeting these two idiots requested and letting them know to close shops of the government will get serious and we'd rather talk and resolve it.
To create confusion between the Military and the Government, these two, (over night before the COAS could meet the PM), these guys did crazy speeches to cause further confusion and to show that they had a "Deal" with the gov't, which wasn't true.

Then, the government clarified that the request to put in some good words or influence vs. owning the situation are entirely different and than the ISPR pretty much repeated what the government said. Where is the disconnect in all of this?
Both of your favorite leaders who are destroying your economy and trying to destabilize the entire country.......are wanting a Face Saving event or something. They've quit deadlines lol (what happened there????) and now they want to go home!

 

[hunter_hunted]

Apparently Nawaz and co panicked when Imran Khan didn't budge and they decided to mess things up even more. I don't like the position the Army has been put in but now Nawaz wont last long if he continues like this.

Even if the army takes over it would be better than Nawaz's government.

Yes it will be and History has proven it. But will it be good for nooras and kuta and co. Knowing how these rascals tried to tarnish the image of Pakistan army now their historic decisions has come back to bite them on their big assss

 

[Viper0011.]

lol.. Bro u seem first sensible person after this reply u just seem like typical noon league supporters

That's ALL you could come up with? Just personal insults? How about something productive to what I said....may be we can have a dialogue that your IK and Mullah can't seem to have. All they know is to issue threats like they never went to school and learned how human's negotiate and talk!

 

[TankMan]

I will DEFINITELY respond to this as there are some key things here:

1) So bolded line 1 from your response. You are agreeing that Mullah lied and that his lies are NOTHING compared to NS's lies. Ok, let's see. After you obviously know Mullah lied, is it ALLOWED in Islam a LIAR issue a FATWA? A religious clergy is a huge deal no matter what religion it is. Can a religious leader LIE and give ruling on sensitive religious matters? HELL NO!!
Next, add innocent's blood on this mullah's neck, the Policemen who got killed by his followers, the Police stations that got attacked and Property destroyed and burnt. You think all these CRIMES STILL allow him to be a religious leader and provide value to his FATWA's? His religion asks him to be a 100% honest person to be a religious leader. Otherwise he's out and he's clearly a liar as you agreed with me in the first line. NS on the other hand, is NOT a religious leader and his lies or no lies, mean nothing when it comes to the religion and FATWA. The entire argument collapses when a religious leader who gives Fatwa lies.

2) Mullah and IK called the COAS, he THEN called the Interior Minster letting him know that he got called. The interior minister than requested him to use his positive influence to facilitate talks. This isn't allowing the Military to "take over the talks and the decision making". This is JUST using your influence indirectly during the meeting these two idiots requested and letting them know to close shops of the government will get serious and we'd rather talk and resolve it.
To create confusion between the Military and the Government, these two, (over night before the COAS could meet the PM), these guys did crazy speeches to cause further confusion and to show that they had a "Deal" with the gov't, which wasn't true.

Then, the government clarified that the request to put in some good words or influence vs. owning the situation are entirely different and than the ISPR pretty much repeated what the government said. Where is the disconnect in all of this?
Both of your favorite leaders who are destroying your economy and trying to destabilize the entire country.......are wanting a Face Saving event or something. They've quit deadlines lol (what happened there????) and now they want to go home!

Now these are slightly better arguments, worth replying to.

1) First, let me clarify something:
I don't follow Qadri, neither do I support many of his actions. However, I currently am in favour of his argument against the government.

Secondly, no, Its not allowed in Islam for someone who lies to issue Fatwas. At the very least, he has done something against terrorism and I appreciate that, even if he is not the best of people. The "lies" you are referring to were basically exaggerations political leaders make when they are giving speeches. That is one of the reasons I don't support mixing religion and politics like this. Democracy, Religion and Capitalism at the same time make a bad combination.

"Blood on his hands": Politics in Pakistan are not neat and clean like in the US. You will not be able to find any leader in Pakistan who's followers have not done something wrong.

Which "entire argument" are you talking about? My only argument regarding this was that Qadri is not related to the Taliban. Your entire essay had nothing to do with the argument I put forward.
As for his Fatwa, it is a pretty good thing that religious leaders are doing something against terrorism, don't you think? Even if Qadri is bad, some of his teachings may inspire people against terrorism and extremism.

2

Press Release

No PR183/2014-ISPRDated: August 29, 2014
Rawalpindi - August 29, 2014:
Chief of Army Staff, General Raheel Sharif was asked by the government to play facilitative role for resolution of current impasse, in yesterday's meeting, at PM House.

Your interpretation of this statement is quite plausible. So lets just say Nawaz did not lie about this (even though he did), Ch.Nisar (interior minister) still lied about the ISPR statement being "approved" by them first, which was then rebutted by the ISPR.
So, PMLN still lied. If they were right all along, why try to cover a lie with another lie?

You mentioned a "deal". Please clarify, which "deal with the government" are you talking about.

I have told you countless times that the economy's destruction and instability was all because of the government, yet you keep repeating this over and over again like some parrot. It was Nawaz and co who blocked Pakistan in fear of the marches. The marches still continued. What happened? Instability? Destruction? No, just a bit of inconvenience for some people, nothing more. You make a good argument then make yourself look dumb and biased by repeating the same stuff again.

They haven't quit deadlines. They say they trust the Army chief and are giving him some time. No one is running or saving face.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Why some people are so desperate to get chance to express their venom and dirty language? Whats big deal if army intervene to facilitate the dialogue process between two political parties who are in government right now and were not showing any flexibility ? All other options have been used and if this matter get settle because of involvement of army cheif then what wrong with it? what about this licking boot thing ? as far as i remember army come under the command of prime minister and not the other way round and IK and qadri were invited in GHQ By army chief on command of PM.

 

[Norwegian]

How come IK and Mullah haven't given any DEADLINE today???

They were about to move to the next level, but were stopped by IK and his delegation. But keep repeating your lies whom no one believes in.

 

[Jazzbot]

lol.. Bro u seem first sensible person after this reply u just seem like typical noon league supporters

Guess what? He's a PPP supporter..

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

 

[Jazzbot]