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Iran? Well some people staryed barking on Pakistan.. whatever is the change, must be friendly with Pakistan...or it may cost USA more....
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"Iran military capabilities pose no threat to Israel" - With all due respect brother, are you OK? Like seriously do you read about politico-military affairs? Then WHY on God's Earth has Israel been doing the following:
1.) Urging US to attack Iran since 1989
2.) Draw up plans to attack Iran itself
3.) Throw a HUGE fit over Iranian ballistic missiles for the past 40 years; THEMSELVES calling it a "Threat" to Israel
4.) Complaining about Iran's shipment of precision guided Ballistic Missiles to Hezbollah
5.) Calling on the EU and US to LIMIT Iran's missile to 300 km MAX - any higher and sanctions should be imposed
6.) Attempting to court Russia to not sell S-300 to Iran between 2015-2016
7.) Complaining about Iran's presence in Syria
Those are but a few; I won't give an all-out lecture on the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.
Now to the slightly (being generous with the word 'slightly btw), more sensible claim of yours:
"Israel but Pakistan is completely different league all together. Both American and Israel are now ruled by religious nutcases working towards their prophecies. Its only Pakistan which can make mince meat of Israel if certain red lines are breached"
1.) Pakistan hasn't done shi* from clay to help the Palestinians in any material way; bar SYMBOLIC visits, statements of solidarity, and some caravan walk. All of which are standard bare minimum Muslim States' support for Palestine.
2.) What 'Red Line' are you talking about brother? Please tell me? When has Pakistan ever threatened Israel seriously? OH that's right, that one time in 2016 when it 'Threatened' nuclear war over fake news. THAT ONE TIME IN ISRAEL'S 68 YEARS OF EXISTENCE. Iran has done this many times since 1979, and it's red lines aren't only a threat to it's homeland as it was in Pakistan's case.
3.) Pakistan ONLY JUST opened an embassy for the State of Palestine in January 2017. NEWS FLASH: Iran had one for them since 1979.
4.) Given the low-key cozy relationship between the Saudi's and Israel; Pakistan wouldn't dare to do shi* to Israel as the Saudi's would stop giving the Pakistani State generous financial and material donations. AND WE ALL KNOW HOW SUSCEPTIBLE PAKISTAN IS TO SAUDI PRESSURE. Bloody hell, Saudi offered the Israeli's their airfield to bomb Iran; you think the would sit by while Pakistan makes "Mince Meat" of Israel while they are currently in a low-key alliance against Iran.
5.) Maybe Pakistan should let itself out of US grip and then come talk to us about Pakistan threatening the ultimate nucleus of US decision making: Israel. Maybe start off by taking sovereign control of your airspace by US drones!!
Look I respect differences of opinion; but outright misinformation absolutely infuriates me.
I have lots of Pakistani friends here in London, and I was practically raised with them since birth, so I'm not totally surprised by what you've said. Allow me to explain: Over the course of my many years of living around Pakistani's, and getting to broadly know their religious and political views as a community; I can say with utmost confidence that Pakistani's seem to have this complex that Pakistan is the sole defender of the Islamic World and Ummah, just because they have Nukes. With all due respect, Iran is a far greater threat to Israel and has done more for the Islamic World and Ummah than Pakistan has.
I know.
Their hubris is disgusting and their insults to us insane.
Kisafat ahmakh
Usa cannot even invade Afghanistan, let alone Iran.@2800 I’d love to get your opinion on this.
Here's a list of the top 20 failed states of the world, a report from their own newspaper. These guys are only a threat to themselves. Let's just hope they don't go bankrupt or else Iran will have to deal with a massive refugee problem, in addition to the terrorism:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/193321/pakistan-ranks-12th-on-failed-states-index-report/
You lost your marbles ?
First of all, make up your mind as to who are YOU, when you say WE??? Waving an Iraqi flag while fiddling with Persian testicles doesn't come across as someone who got self respect.
Now coming to the rest of your rants, Brother.
From point 1) to 7), anyone with slight knowledge and idea of relatively recent past history, would know that Israel use America and by in large western world to get want it wants. I mean, why put your men and resources in danger when others can be utilize to achieve the desire result. Of all people, if you are a Iraqi, you should know how America trampled your country for the sake and interest of Israel. It is the same strategy they are employing with Iran. If I had such privilege available to me, I would do the same, let someone else do the dirty work for me.
Now moving to Pakitan:
1) Supporting Palestinian issue for the sake of Palestinians (in isolation of the religious significance of the holy places) is a complicated issue for us. You see, its hard to sell to our people when we see the likes of PLO and its leaders sucking on our worst enemy India and its leaders. And when you see them recall their envoy back just because the chap was seen with a Kashmiri freedom activist, that was the last straw that broke the camel back. Irony is, the gathering and event was in support to Palestine over Juresalem issue. And That happened after our UN ambassador, after co-sponsoring the UN resolution against America on the issue of Jerusalem , made a very hard hitting speech. Let that all sink in!! Historically, there is deafening silence or just random BS of no real significance when it comes to Kashmir issue from Muslim world by in large. You are all sucking on India, alteast give us respect that our passports still carry this text on each page which say "NOT VALID FOR ISRAEL". We don't have any direct beef with Israel. We fought with them with Arabs, our pilots shot down IAF jets while the Arabs were getting their arse handed over to them in aerial battles. Yea maybe in past it was a Palestinian issue for us, as group people of certain ethnicity, BUT now, its more of a religious significance. We are more interested in the sanity of the "qibla-e-awal", the Al-Aqsa then anything else. We are looking at it as issue of Muslims without an ethnic non sense attached to it.
2) As I mentioned, our red lines are related to the sanctity of Al-Aqsa. Any harm done to it for the sake of temple of Solomon by Zionist will warrant a response, you can be assure of that. For the rest, time and again, as a proud nation, we don't want to be humiliated and left in lurch by PLO and Muslims world in large when it comes to our interests in relation to our arch enemy India. We warned Israel in 1998 before our nuke tests and they complied. We train our special forces while making them aware the importance of Jurselam to Muslim world, I repeat "MUSLIM" world. We don't care about Arab or Persian , ajam or non ajam no sense. We are above that.
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Bottom line is, we don't suffer from verbal diahreaa and neither we believe in empty rhetoric of "death to America" and "death to Isreal" shouting match as we often see among the Persian mullahs and their gathering. Laughable!! We believe in capabilities and hence we are the fourth biggest nuke power in the world. A responsible power. Our threats are not for public consumptions and are measured and discrete. We don't believe in chest thumping. Our enemies are all non muslim nations, we don't go about drilling holes in the ship of Ummah like the Persian mullahs and their counter parts in Saudi Arabia. You lot are embracing and pathetic.
3) Yes we opened a very nice embassy on our own expenses with all the background which I just mentioned to you. What Iran has achieved with opening the embassy earlier? NADA!! Pathetic and childish argument.
4) LOL, you are one ignorant brat! Since when Saudi start to dictate Pakistani state response and its strategy to Israel? We have more pressing issues about Indo-Isreal nexus and its effects on Pakistan security and interest. We have openly expressed our displeasure over this Indo-Isreali nexus under American patronage. And that is why during recent trip to India, Netehyahu despite being pressed by Indians to say negative things about Pakistan, clearly said on their face that Israel do not want to make enemy out of Pakistan and would like the same in return. He clearly know and understand what it would mean for Israel if they come out in open in their hostility to Pakistan. Israel knows it place. What the hell you talking about as if Saudis owe Pakistan? LOL. That didn't work over Yemen war did it? We had a very old strategic pact with Saudi Arabia which we are abiding by, neither it was against any other so called Muslim state nor we will get into the non sense between you Persian mullah c*** suckers or the Wahabi lot. We try our best to keep you to two fighting dogs away from each other. Do you think we, the 220 Millions Pakistanis not see how you two are destroying Middle east and dividing Muslim world on the bases of sect? Don't get me started mate. Have some perspective.
5) Get out of your self concocted delusion mate, Pakistan was never in grip of America. We always worked for our national interests. We milked them when we could. Pakistan comes first and will always be like that. There are reasons that from American congressman, to CIA. to POTUS, to their military, everyone tear their hair out in frustration when it comes to Pakistan. So take your BS where the sun don't shine. Your diatribes are laughable. Go and ask anyone in American establishment as to who was the one who brought them defeat and humiliation in Afghansitan. You see, we are in business of taking on super powers and bring them down on their knees, we don't suffer from verbal diahreaa like Iran or rest of the Muslim world.
Do you see me gives a flying fk as to what infuriates you or your kind? I am blunt with FACTS. may be the kick in the back you lot need to get out of your slumber and start building capabilities then chest thumping! Your idols, the Persian mullahs surrendered their nuke programme (ironically provided by Pakistan, the AQ Khan saga!) just to curry some favours from west. I do actually fear for Iran now seeing what happened to Libya after they surrendered their nuke program. The last thing we want is American lead regime change in Iran, next door to us, if Afghansitan wasn't enough!
You know shit about Pakistan, whatever tiny bit of respect that is left in Muslims world, where they are not going about screwing each other, is because of Pakistan. we defended Sarajevo when it was left to the mercy of blood thirsty dogs. We locked horns with might soviet bear and brought it down and now we are doing the same with another arrogant power. We are in perpetual war with millions of hindu terroists and fundamentals and their state in our east. Our figths, our wars our conflicts are all with anti Muslim entities. Since when Iran fought a war with kuffars? Oh I remember, you last one was with YOU , if you are a Iraqi!! Bah, the Irony. I don't want to even laugh coz its not funny. You lot are so consumed drilling holes in Muslim lands beaucse you are shia and others are sunni, so much so that you cant even comprehend how pathetic it looks from outside.
Piss off from here brother! You know nothing.
And YES we are the SOLE nuke power of Muslim world and we are damn proud and arrogant about it. Rather living in jealously, try to catch up , not roll over infront of America and west.
Here's a list of the top 20 failed states of the world, a report from their own newspaper. These guys are only a threat to themselves. Let's just hope they don't go bankrupt or else Iran will have to deal with a massive refugee problem, in addition to the terrorism:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/193321/pakistan-ranks-12th-on-failed-states-index-report/
There is a war is coming to iran
HEHEYea, unfortunately I agree.
There is a war is coming to iran
HEHE
funny joke
war on Iran is Trump bluff, he's hand is empty
Yes, but that does not mean they are stupidI dunno man. Pompeo is really anti-muslim.
read this post from WednesdayAnd now they are probably gonna replace McMaster with possibly John Bolton as national security adviser.
This is like a perfect storm brewing. I would be concerned if I was Iranian.
Yes, but that does not mean they are stupid
read this post from Wednesday
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/till...nge-is-about-iran.548509/page-3#post-10325101
That was clear from first day that Trump will go after his generals, after firing REX.
when you fire well experienced Generals and put Yes mans instead of them what you expect to get.
Bluffing
because he is gamble man not politician.Why do you think Trump is bluffing? What does he have to gain?
because he is gamble man not politician.
He want to run USA like his companies, he had experience of bankruptcy before.
in the gamble you have two choice :
1- earning everything OR
2- losing everything