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This is what America's airforce looked like during desert storm:
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Saddam had no access denial capability. He could do nothing about these vast, many months long buildup of USA and her allies right on his door step. In a potential conflict with Iran, every single one of these airbases will look like this x100
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The above attack on US airbase in Iraq was a pre-warned deliberately limited attack as a warning to the US. And this is a capability that Saddam could only dream about. @BlueInGreen2 Gave many other good examples of other vast differences between Iran and Iraq.
When it comes to Iran and Iraq, the only similarity is the first 3 letters of their name. After that, everything changes, greatly. Anyone that actually believes a war with Iran will be qualitatively and quantitatively similar to Iraq, either:
1) Generally knows little about warfare
2) Specifically Knows very little about Iran's capability and its war waging methodology.
Point 2) is very common and should not surprise people that many fall in that category. If I had not been following Iran's military development/doctrine for the past decade, I would have also fallen into it. Why? because it's easy to see conflicts only in terms of conventional might. I.e Nations A and B are fighting in a vacuum, if nation B has less advanced fighter jets than A, then it will be lose. In the real world however, conflicts are not dictated by such factors alone. They're not some conventional battle in a vacuum. A country like Iran will not fight the US in the same way Iran fought Iraq, or how Iraq fought the US, only fools would fight the enemy in a domain they're strongest if they can avoid it.
I advise people to look into Iran's Mosaic defence doctrine to get a general idea of what I and others here are talking about.
None taken.
That is not hypocrisy. That is growth and maturity.
Yup...And that is what people want, China, Laos, Viet Nam, Japan, Africa, and the Americas. No one wants the ME.
Yes. Seven trils are the best measure we have to date that the ME is not worth our efforts. Lessons learned.
then get out of this region.Been to the ME before Desert Storm, and even then, other than the food, there was nothing about the ME that I want to import back into my life. After DS, it convinced me even more that the West should have, if not absolutely nothing, then minimal involvement in the ME. We are not perfect, but as far from perfection, we equally further ahead than the entirety of the ME. Racism? I received more racism from the ME than from my life so far in the West. In real estate, there are 'comparables' or 'comps' when assessing properties. Your part of the world ain't comparable to ours in all aspects of modern life.
Sure...Easy for you to say it when your skin is not in the game. I have no interests in debunking your points. You are not here to learn, that I can tell. If there is a US-Iran shooting fight, and WHEN Iran loses that fight, what will you do then? Apologize? Starts making excuses for each of those points you are so certain today that they will defeat the US? What have you debunked of my arguments? Nothing. It seems you do not understand the word 'debunk' at all. You have proven nothing in the sense that Iran will prevail in such a scenario.Screw it, I hope Iran and the U.S. get into a conflict. There really isn't any other way of knowing other than to see it go full-tilt.
Now we waited for your mighty army(as your president says)to retaliate the ein ul asad attack....you know in trumps estimation,fighting with Iran just yield headach which worth testing.....sooner or later there would be a conflict....Sure...Easy for you to say it when your skin is not in the game. I have no interests in debunking your points. You are not here to learn, that I can tell. If there is a US-Iran shooting fight, and WHEN Iran loses that fight, what will you do then? Apologize? Starts making excuses for each of those points you are so certain today that they will defeat the US? What have you debunked of my arguments? Nothing. It seems you do not understand the word 'debunk' at all. You have proven nothing in the sense that Iran will prevail in such a scenario.
Sure...Easy for you to say it when your skin is not in the game. I have no interests in debunking your points. You are not here to learn, that I can tell. If there is a US-Iran shooting fight, and WHEN Iran loses that fight, what will you do then? Apologize? Starts making excuses for each of those points you are so certain today that they will defeat the US? What have you debunked of my arguments? Nothing. It seems you do not understand the word 'debunk' at all. You have proven nothing in the sense that Iran will prevail in such a scenario.
Sure...So...Has either Russia or China came out and said Iran would win in a US-Iran war? Has anyone besides Iran?Debunk: expose the falseness or hollowness of (a myth, idea, or belief).
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/debunk
Sure...So...Has either Russia or China came out and said Iran would win in a US-Iran war? Has anyone besides Iran?![]()
Because they know better -- keep their mouths shut lest they embarrass themselves like the last time.Neither Russia or China has to Gambit,...
Basically, Iran adopted Mao's concept of "The People's War", which is primarily defensive and reactive in nature, and said concept have been abandoned by China.I advise people to look into Iran's Mosaic defence doctrine to get a general idea of what I and others here are talking about.
Because they know better -- keep their mouths shut lest they embarrass themselves like the last time.
To 'debunk' an argument requires some measures of evidence and you have provided none. Saying that 'Iran is not Iraq' provides no evidence. That is plain rhetoric, nothing more.
What the hell is wrong with you Gambit, no seriously...What in the unholy **** is wrong with you? You enjoy bothering people don't you? This is some sick afternoon hobby you've picked up after your stint in the U.S. air-force. Now I've become another willing victim of your 'unmatched military intellect'. What an absolute joke this forum is, I swear......
I LITERALLY JUST NAMED OFF A LITANY OF THINGS THAT MAKES IRAN DIFFERENT FROM IRAQ. There is a very clear cut and easy-to-see delineation between Iran of today and SADDAM'S IRAQ OF 91'. WHY IS THIS SOOO HARD FOR YOU AND LEGEND TO UNDERSTAND?!?!!
PLEASE HELP ME ASCERTAIN AS TO THE REASON WHY YOU ARE SO REMISS IN ACCEPTING THIS BASIC REALITY. MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING YOU KNOW (sarcasm, btw).
Well your gov is the real roots behind our region's problems, instead of replying to my Q you opted the strategy to go for such a bogus claim ... you guys conjecture that if X is true then you have right to do Y but sorry it doesn't work in that way ... You have no right to take such measure under international law while undermining Iraqi sovereignty and attack other countries' officials .. these type of actions just indicate who is the real vilen over here and which side is seeking state terrorism ... the clowns in your government didn't stop their lies even aftermath of the heinous terror but finally admited there was no imminent threat whatsoever and decision had been already made for months ... to add how your government is #1 violator of the international norm/law POTUS started threatening Iran ,in case of any retaliation, by targeting 52 cultural sites and disproportion attacks which both are clearly considered as war crimes under int law, however he didn't have the courage to bring his empty words into action.Iran have been sponsoring terrorism for decades. What do you call that?