The future of Javad Zarif: A foreign asset in waiting

[TheImmortal]

Instead of hunting down spies and covert sabtogers, some factions in Iran are running around obsessing over a foreign minister.

Petty Politics is dividing and destroying that country.

You Go out of your way to create a wedge between Iranians.

A few on the board who are like that. The funny thing is they try to portray themselves as “ultra conservative” while they carry avatars are pre-Islamic Iran or even better Western imagery with their accounts less than 12-18 months old. Very quite strange.

At least Mohsen is his usual village idiot self for years. The man idolizes Ahmadinejad who just the other day declared to his supporters that the end of Iran is near and the ruling elite will flee to a private island they bought if the IR collapses. Imagine if Zarif or Rouhani had said that?

Makes you wonder if these so called Patriots even care about Iran or are more obsessed with picking a side as if it’s PlayStation vs Xbox or Coke vs Pepsi. It’s fanboy behavior at this point.

 

[luckystrike]

Instead of hunting down spies and covert sabtogers, some factions in Iran are running around obsessing over a foreign minister.

Petty Politics is dividing and destroying that country.



A few on the board who are like that. The funny thing is they try to portray themselves as “ultra conservative” while they carry avatars are pre-Islamic Iran or even better Western imagery with their accounts less than 12-18 months old. Very quite strange.

At least Mohsen is his usual village idiot self for years. The man idolizes Ahmadinejad who just the other day declared to his supporters that the end of Iran is near and the ruling elite will flee to a private island they bought if the IR collapses. Imagine if Zarif or Rouhani had said that?

Makes you wonder if these so called Patriots even care about Iran or are more obsessed with picking a side as if it’s PlayStation vs Xbox or Coke vs Pepsi. It’s fanboy behavior at this point.

Iranians are simpletons who need someone or something to hate in order to function properly. Whether its Islamic Republic, Khamenei, Islam, Arabs, US, Israel, the totally insignificant son of the last Shah, or Zarif. Always looking for excuses and scapegoats...

 

[Xerxes22]

Immortals existed long before Xerxes and fought alongside the Shah on the battlefield which is what you fail to understand because you know nothing about history.

And who told you all the things that you have assumed (that I think immortals such as urself didn't exist before Xerxes)? This is typical of people who suffer from Dunning -krueger effect. You overestimate your intellectual capacity.

Did I deny that the Immortals existed before Xerxes? So what makes ur unenlightened mind to assume things on ur own . So that means that u not only make bs theories out of thin air , but u also assume things out of thin air too. Normal I guess for people like you.

Don't jump the gun too quick. I see the same pattern in ur made up theories all the time. You either have better intel than all the insiders or you assume things with ur crude instinctive Jump The Gun mind.

God created sumthing out of nothing, whilst you create a whole bunch of b.s out of nothing. You make up theories as if you have intel that even insiders don't have any clue about. Either you really have the intel that even real insiders don't have or you smoke too much weed and fall to ur habit of assuming things Nd making crap outta thin air.

You call me a child right? Ur behaviour is typical of a 5th grader. How about sitting down and reading things like a matured person?

And you been observing me for some “quite sometime” even though your account was created less than a year ago? Lol nice job admitting your an alt. Enough talking to you. Your not worth wasting a breath on.

Listen Mr.Immortal or whoever u are, you talk about not wanting to waste a breath on me but you have wasted a lot longer being crude Nd instinctive that the two don't even compare.

Don't assume too much. Its a sign of being a total illiterate.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Some of the 'discourse' on here is one of the main reasons I don't frequent this forum anymore

 

[mohsen]

Instead of hunting down spies and covert sabtogers, some factions in Iran are running around obsessing over a foreign minister.

Petty Politics is dividing and destroying that country.

When we have a foreign minister whse words are cheered by our enemies, who asks the enemy to lift the sanctions so that his party could win the election, who signs one-sided deals without even reading them, who paves the way for spies and sabotages, who stands against security forces when they arrest one of these spies, who complains about security forces cause they are actually doing their job, then sure we jump on him, him or anybody else.

What's your next shining idea, that Bani'Sadr also wasn't a traitor?!

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

When we have a foreign minister whse words are cheered by our enemies, who asks the enemy to lift the sanctions so that his party could win the election, who signs one-sided deals without even reading them, who paves the way for spies and sabotages, who stands against security forces when they arrest one of these spies, who complains about security forces cause they are actually doing their job, then sure we jump on him, him or anybody else.

What's your next shining idea, that Bani'Sadr also wasn't a traitor?!

They are so impressed by Zarif's grasp of the English language they are willing to overlook every goal that Zarif scores on our own net!

 

[TheImmortal]

who signs one-sided deals without even reading them

You keep parroting crap that belongs to illiterate people.

Technical working groups compromised of IR of Iran trained lawyers and nuclear experts draft the language of deals along side the same type of working groups from P5+1 teams (btw exactly what they have been doing in latest negotiations in Vienna this round just like in 2015) and the FMs don’t show up till the end to smooth over some issues and smile for the photos.

So there is 0.000% chance that anyone with a pulse in the IR of Iran leadership agreed to a nuclear deal without them knowing what’s in it, including the same people who criticize Zarif.

Stop this theatrics and learn how a international agreement is generated.

 

[Hack-Hook]

طوری حرف زده میشه که انگار نه انگار این شورای عالی امنیت ملی بود که این معامله را تایید کردِ

 

[Arian]

طوری حرف زده میشه که انگار نه انگار این شورای عالی امنیت ملی بود که این معامله را تایید کردِ

آخه داستان چیز دیگه‌ای هست
اگه از روز نخست بر می‌گشتن حقیقت رو می‌گفتن که چه چیزهایی دادیم و چه چیزهایی گرفتیم و چقدر ریسک وجود داره و اینکه کل کار تصمیم همه بوده، بحثی نبود. برخی یادشون رفته که چه چیزهایی راجع به برجام گفتن و چقدر وقتی دیگران می‌گفتن آمریکا زیرش می‌زنه اونها رو بی‌سواد و نادان و ... خوندن. هنوز که هنوز هست طوری رفتار می‌کنند که برجامی که بستن شاهکار بوده و بی‌نقص هست

حالا هم که آمریکا زیرش زده اون جماعتی که به دیگران توهین کردن و گفتن اصلاً امکان نداره و ما زبان دنیا رو بلد هستیم و ما حقوقدان هستیم و ... باید پاسخگو باشن. هر قدر هم فحش بخورن حقشون هست و کمشون هست

مصاحبه ظریف پر از تناقضات آشکار هست که حرف‌های خودش رو مدام نقض می‌کنه. آدم به این دروغگویی واقعاً نوبر هست. حرف‌هاش در حد اینکه بگیم خیانت کرده نیست، اما به شدت غیرصادقانه هستند​

 

[mohsen]

You keep parroting crap that belongs to illiterate people.

Technical working groups compromised of IR of Iran trained lawyers and nuclear experts draft the language of deals along side the same type of working groups from P5+1 teams (btw exactly what they have been doing in latest negotiations in Vienna this round just like in 2015) and the FMs don’t show up till the end to smooth over some issues and smile for the photos.

So there is 0.000% chance that anyone with a pulse in the IR of Iran leadership agreed to a nuclear deal without them knowing what’s in it, including the same people who criticize Zarif.

Stop this theatrics and learn how a international agreement is generated.

Iranian MP which wasn't even part of the deal had read the entire text, but the chief negotiator doesn't even know the most basic content of the deal!
Totally acceptable!

طوری حرف زده میشه که انگار نه انگار این شورای عالی امنیت ملی بود که این معامله را تایید کردِ

طوری حرف زده میشه انگار جلیلی نمیتونست مملکتو بفروشه، فقط اینا بلد بودن

شورای عالی امنیت ملی زمان جلیلی هم بود ولی اعضاش کابینه احمدی نژاد بودن نه شهروندان آمریکا و انگلیس!

 

[TheImmortal]

Iranian MP which wasn't even part of the deal had read the entire text, but the chief negotiator doesn't even know the most basic content of the deal!
Totally acceptable!

Let’s say for a second your bogus theory is correct. Zarif didn’t write the deal Iran’s army of technical experts and lawyers wrote the deal.

So let’s say Zarif just showed up and signed a deal he had zero clue about (as you allege), is Zarif Parliament? Is Zarif Security Council? Is Zarif Supreme Leader?

Bexause this is what I remember in 2015

Iran parliament approves nuclear deal bill in victory for Rouhani

Iran's conservative-dominated parliament passed a bill on Tuesday approving its nuclear deal with world powers, signaling victory for the government over hardline opponents who worry the accord opens a door to wider rapprochement with the West.

mobile.reuters.com

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So if Zarif is a moron for not understanding the deal, that would mean the entire Republic and parliament is even a bigger moron for approving something they did not read. Which again 0.0% chance this theory happened.

Mohsen at this point is like the Republicans still talking about Hillary Clinton’s emails years later.

 

[Arian]

So if Zarif is a moron for not understanding the deal, that would mean the entire Republic and parliament is even a bigger moron for approving something they did not read. Which again 0.0% chance this theory happened.

I remember very clearly that the parliament passed the JCPOA in 20 minutes, which is obviously not enough for even reading 37 pages of a technical document aloud, let alone discussing it. When Motahari was asked about it, he said that "even 20 minutes was too much", for passing one of the most important deals in the history of the Islamic Republic.

So, yeah. The parliament members were morons. Did anyone doubt it?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iranian MP which wasn't even part of the deal had read the entire text, but the chief negotiator doesn't even know the most basic content of the deal!
Totally acceptable!



طوری حرف زده میشه انگار جلیلی نمیتونست مملکتو بفروشه، فقط اینا بلد بودن

شورای عالی امنیت ملی زمان جلیلی هم بود ولی اعضاش کابینه احمدی نژاد بودن نه شهروندان آمریکا و انگلیس!

who are the list od people in it

So, yeah. The parliament members were morons. Did anyone doubt it?

and what about the Guardian council that must ratify anything that come out of the parliament ?

 

[Arian]

and what about the Guardian council that must ratify anything that come out of the parliament ?

The Guardian Council can block a resolution for justifiable reasons like incompatibility with the constitution or the sharia of Islam. They cannot block a resolution because they do not like it.

No matter what, passing one of the most important resolutions in the history of Iran without even reading it is the highest level of treason in a country. We can at least be certain of that!

 

[Hack-Hook]

The Guardian Council can block a resolution for justifiable reasons like incompatibility with the constitution or the sharia of Islam. They cannot block a resolution because they do not like it.

No matter what, passing one of the most important resolutions in the history of Iran without even reading it is the highest level of treason in a country. We can at least be certain of that!

are you kidding me, the guardian council could block the treaty anywhere if they wanted as a matter of fact right now they can go ad say we were wrong on ratifying it and now we have new information and we say it most be stopped but why they don;t do that

and if you doubt it . I can point you to when they did that