The Extreme 996 Work Culture in China

[nang2]

Yes, China will advance into socialism and cast off the capitalism model that exploited millions of people needlessly.
Socialism is also rising in Russia as well.
It is our time.

One proof on why socialism caters people's emotion, instead of their reasoning, is the repeated tries, while disregarding its fatal flaws that have been revealed over and over. If one attempt fails, another one will be tried sometimes later while claiming the last time it wasn't done right. It is not tried because it makes sense. It is tried because people want it in their hearts.

 

[REhorror]

One proof on why socialism caters people's emotion, instead of their reasoning, is the repeated tries, while disregarding its fatal flaws that have been revealed over and over. If one attempt fails, another one will be tried sometimes later while claiming the last time it wasn't done right. It is not tried because it makes sense. It is tried because people want it in their hearts.

Well, we will see who will win in the end.
It took capitalism machinations that the USSR was defeated, but failure is the mother of success. In the end, socialists still runs China and Vietnam and Cuba and North Korea, while in Russia, the communist party is getting more popular than Putin.
The people want stable jobs and good livelihood which capitalism cannot provide.

 

[nang2]

Well, we will see who will win in the end.
It took capitalism machinations that the USSR was defeated, but failure is the mother of success. In the end, socialists still runs China and Vietnam and Cuba and North Korea, while in Russia, the communist party is getting more popular than Putin.
The people want stable jobs and good livelihood which capitalism cannot provide.

The problem is that there is no end. Socialists will never admit their loss and give up on it. They will continue to persuade people to try it over and over and over and over. Socialism is a VERY OLD idea while capitalism is actually fairly new in the history of mankind.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The problem is that there is no end. Socialists will never admit their loss and give up on it. They will continue to persuade people to try it over and over and over and over. Socialism is a VERY OLD idea while capitalism is actually fairly new in the history of mankind.

I'm pretty sure exploitation for profit is as old as human history.

 

[nang2]

I'm pretty sure exploitation for profit is as old as human history.

That is true. Exploitation is as old as human nature itself, which by default looks after one's own interest far more attentively than others' interests. But socialism isn't from the desire of removing exploitation. Just look at those socialists who get the power. They naturally begin to exploit those powerless people the moment they get hold of the power. And, not all those who desire the removal of exploitation are socialists. Many are hard working capitalists who try hard to uphold the rule of law. Many are religious folks who try to change the ugly side of their own human nature and persuade other people by personal examples.

Socialism comes from the desire to design the world. Same as others, they attempt to change the human nature but with force that focus more on other people than themselves. They disdain the rule of law and want to play God themselves.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That is true. Exploitation is as old as human nature itself, which by default looks after one's own interest far more attentively than others' interests. But socialism isn't from the desire of removing exploitation. Just look at those socialists who get the power. They naturally begin to exploit those powerless people the moment they get hold of the power. And, not all those who desire the removal of exploitation are socialists. Many are hard working capitalists who try hard to uphold the rule of law. Many are religious folks who try to change the ugly side of their own human nature and persuade other people by personal examples.

Socialism comes from the desire to design the world. Same as others, they attempt to change the human nature but with force that focus more on other people than themselves. They disdain the rule of law and want to play God themselves.

Law is a man made construct. Human nature is a 100-200 person tribal society with no concept of private property.

Capitalism comes from social Darwinism which itself comes from biological Darwinism. Taken to the extreme, capitalism becomes fascism such as the massive profit Nazis made from genocide of Jews and Slavs. The natural end point of capitalist competition in the absence of competition is the destruction of all competitors and the establishment of a monopoly. Sometimes that's merely market destruction. Other times as with the Nazis it was physical destruction.

 

[nang2]

Law is a man made construct. Human nature is a 100-200 person tribal society with no concept of private property.

Capitalism comes from social Darwinism which itself comes from biological Darwinism. Taken to the extreme, capitalism becomes fascism such as the massive profit Nazis made from genocide of Jews and Slavs. The natural end point of capitalist competition in the absence of competition is the destruction of all competitors and the establishment of a monopoly. Sometimes that's merely market destruction. Other times as with the Nazis it was physical destruction.

First, capitalism is a bad word. Invented by a socialist who intended to insult. A better word to describe the capitalistic society should be "liberalism" where workers have much more freedom in choosing their working relationship, unlike feudalism where they had no right for free movement and slavery where they even had no right to their own lives. The latter two terms describe common workers' working relationship. Yet, the word "capitalism" speaks nothing about it.

Second, fascism spawned from socialism, not capitalism. Mussolini was a socialist and was a part of socialism movement. It was the Soviet's propaganda after WWII that tried to paint fascism as capitalism. Both fascism and socialism are collectivism. Fascism gives a facade of private ownership but takes away the control of the private properties, which is the essence of private ownership. In fascistic society, government runs all businesses, regardless they are called private or public. Government gives production quota and production plans. "Private" owners only get a token of "profit".

Fascism was a compromise that socialists made in an environment in which many socialists had lost faith in Marx' prediction on the collapse of capitalism. They wanted to establish socialism through a path on which they believed to trigger the least resistance from capitalists.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

First, capitalism is a bad word. Invented by a socialist who intended to insult. A better word to describe the capitalistic society should be "liberalism" where workers have much more freedom in choosing their working relationship, unlike feudalism where they had no right for free movement and slavery where they even had no right to their own lives. The latter two terms describe common workers' working relationship. Yet, the word "capitalism" speaks nothing about it.

Second, fascism spawned from socialism, not capitalism. Mussolini was a socialist and was a part of socialism movement. It was the Soviet's propaganda after WWII that tried to paint fascism as capitalism. Both fascism and socialism are collectivism. Fascism gives a facade of private ownership but takes away the control of the private properties, which is the essence of private ownership. In fascistic society, government runs all businesses, regardless they are called private or public. Government gives production quota and production plans. "Private" owners only get a token of "profit".

Fascism was a compromise that socialists made in an environment in which many socialists had lost faith in Marx' prediction on the collapse of capitalism. They wanted to establish socialism through a path on which they believed to trigger the least resistance from capitalists.

Not true, here are some academic papers and quotes regarding Nazis and private ownership:

Source 1: Adolf Hitler Himself

We stand for the maintenance of private property... We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order."

Source 2 (Cambridge):

However, that is not correct, because firms, despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample scope to devise their own production and investment profiles.

Source 3 (Adolf Hitler himself):

“Our great heads of industry are not concerned with the accumulation of wealth and the good life, rather they are concerned with responsibility and power. They have acquired this right by natural selection: they are members of the higher race. But you would surround them with a council of incompetents, who have no notion of anything. No economic leader can accept that.”

 

[nang2]

Not true, here are some academic papers and quotes regarding Nazis and private ownership:

Source 1: Adolf Hitler Himself



Source 2 (Cambridge):



Source 3 (Adolf Hitler himself):

You should know the difference between what a person says and what a person does. As I mentioned early, the control of private properties is the essence of the ownership. Take that way, the ownership is a fake one. Imagine that you own a house but you have no control over who lives there. Do you really own the house?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You should know the difference between what a person says and what a person does. As I mentioned early, the control of private properties is the essence of the ownership. Take that way, the ownership is a fake one. Imagine that you own a house but you have no control over who lives there. Do you really own the house?

IG Farben made record profits during the Nazi era and source 2 (academic paper from Cambridge) showed evidence that the Nazis had great respect for private property and respected contracts.

 

[nang2]

IG Farben made record profits during the Nazi era and source 2 (academic paper from Cambridge) showed evidence that the Nazis had great respect for private property and respected contracts.

Record profit can be earned in many ways. Itself is not a proof of the respect for private property. In fact, itself is not a proof of anything other than the record profit itself. Heck, you don't even need private property to earn a record profit. Many Chinese officials can teach you how to do it.

The true proof of the respect for private property is how freely the owner can exercise his will over his property. And for that, a few isolated cases aren't sufficient enough. You need society-wide consensus on how free property owners are with their properties.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Record profit can be earned in many ways. Itself is not a proof of the respect for private property. In fact, itself is not a proof of anything other than the record profit itself. Heck, you don't even need private property to earn a record profit. Many Chinese officials can teach you how to do it.

The true proof of the respect for private property is how freely the owner can exercise his will over his property. And for that, a few isolated cases aren't sufficient enough. You need society-wide consensus on how free property owners are with their properties.

Nazi Germany had that. They were supported by all the German industrialists at the time who had a choice. Nazis didn't have a revolution, they were voted in.

 

[nang2]

Nazi Germany had that. They were supported by all the German industrialists at the time who had a choice. Nazis didn't have a revolution, they were voted in.

Haha, you simply equate majority votes with all votes. You didn't see this logic error yourself?

 

[SaadH]

Contrary to popular belief socialism is alive and thriving in the West and no I am not talking of Scandinavia nor the socialist policies in place in much of Europe, like universal healthcare and other public spending.

In the US, all the roads, highways, libraries, public schools, Police & Fire Departments and the biggest manifestation of socialism the military are well and safe. Secondly, the loss making function of large corporations has been socialized so has been the profit making mechanism of all healthcare related entities, including big pharma and their research funding as well as other cutting edge technology research is all socialized only the recipients of the obscene profits of these publicly funded enterprises remain private.

 

[nang2]

Contrary to popular belief socialism is alive and thriving in the West and no I am not talking of Scandinavia nor the socialist policies in place in much of Europe, like universal healthcare and other public spending.

In the US, all the roads, highways, libraries, public schools, Police & Fire Departments and the biggest manifestation of socialism the military are well and safe. Secondly, the loss making function of large corporations has been socialized so has been the profit making mechanism of all healthcare related entities, including big pharma and their research funding as well as other cutting edge technology research is all socialized only the recipients of the obscene profits of these publicly funded enterprises remain private.

Socialism and welfare system are two different things. Mixing them together shows the inadequate knowledge on socialism.