The China Navy Third Fleet Carrier Battle Group Named PLANS FUJIAN 福建舰 (CVBG-18) Officially Launched !

[gambit]

And we used your capitalism with Chinese character to bring you down...

So you admit that it was a monumental blunder about communism.

 

[MH.Yang]

So you admit that it was a monumental blunder about communism.

The Americans are not qualified to define communism, nor are the Soviets. Of course, neither do we.

What exactly is communism like? Is China communism or not? Let us leave these two questions to history and the future.

 

[Han Patriot]

So you admit that it was a monumental blunder about communism.

I guess until today you still don't understand what Communism is.

 

[Beast]

So you admit that it was a monumental blunder about communism.

China is still communism. What blunder? It is still one party and socialist.

 

[S10]

So you admit that it was a monumental blunder about communism.

I actually shit on the CPC all the time and will readily say they screwed up on several major occasions:

- Great Leap Forward
- Culture Revolution
- Events surrounding Jun 4th, 1989
- One Child Policy

At the same time, I also recognize there are no suitable replacement at the moment without causing significant political, economic and social turmoil.

 

[dbc]

USS Gerald Ford is just a botched job with faked operational combat ready just to save them from being embarrass by PLAN.

embarrassed by a gas turbine powered EMALS? It shows you know nothing about naval combat OPS tempo. Here is a brain teaser for you. Figure out the peak output of one marine gas turbine in kw/hour, find out how much KW energy a single cat shot consumes and find out how much fuel is needed to maintain / sustain wartime sortie rates. The amount of fuel and chemical energy storage needed for a day or two of sustained peak op's tempo will make that carrier go out in a spectacular explosion with a single hit.

In contrast, the USS Gerald Ford can launch aircrafts all day long without consuming any fuel and it fully recharges the launch system in 45 seconds.

 

[Beast]

embarrassed by a gas turbine powered EMALS? It shows you know nothing about naval combat OPS tempo. Here is a brain teaser for you. Figure out the peak output of one marine gas turbine in kw/hour, find out how much KW energy a single cat shot consumes and find out how much fuel is needed to maintain / sustain wartime sortie rates. The amount of fuel and chemical energy storage needed for a day or two of sustained peak op's tempo will make that carrier go out in a spectacular explosion with a single hit.

In contrast, the USS Gerald Ford can launch aircrafts all day long without consuming any fuel and it fully recharges the launch system in 45 seconds.

Lol... Your Gerald Ford until now readiness and launching rate is still below Nimitz. This is not what your salesman promised. They claim this will immediate revolutionized catapult of carriers once out into service.

While Fujian EMAL is already perfect when on land. Tested thousands of time before accepted and used onboard. Far superior than steam Catapult.

Launch in 2013 but still can't match a vessel launched in 2022. You shall not be embarrassed then what? Happy you become like India?

 

[MH.Yang]

China is still communism. What blunder? It is still one party and socialist.

According to the interpretation of the Chinese govt, we are the Communist Party, but China is only the primary stage of socialism, and communism is the ultimate stage of socialism. This means that the Chinese govt recognizes that we are not a communist country for the time being, but we will be in the future.

 

[zhxy]

- Events surrounding Jun 4th, 1989

If that event didn't happen,

China will repeat the tragedy of the Soviet Union, collapse and be divided into smaller countries, it never becomes superpower as it is now. He will not have supercomputers, aircraft carriers, high -speed rail, stealth aircraft ...

Of course, China will be a democratic country like India, but fortunately it only happens in the parallel universe. In this universe, the color revolution in Tiananmen was crushed by the tank.

- One Child Policy

The population decline in China will certainly occur and cannot reverse this process.

It is no coincidence that poor and underdeveloped countries always have a very high childbirth rate, on the contrary, the richer and more civilized countries have a high average life expectancy and low birth rate.

What happens if a one -child policy does not exist. China will have an additional 30-60 million citizens, it delayed the current issues, but 10 to 20 years later, China will still face the issues of population crisis as now.

It was a mistake to blame Deng and the CCP about the one child policy. Current population issues, the culprit is progressive, modern and civilized. The only solution is that China should completely abandon the superpower dream and return to Mao's period or like some African countries. Without civilization and giving birth like a pig, No one wants that to happen.

In the end, China's population issues were exaggerated too much. With 1.4 billion people, and its half is close to the US + EU. If the United States and the EU can be the military-economic superpowers with a smaller population than China, so why the population decline is too serious to China? In the worst scenario here, China's population is still much larger than the United States, EU, Africa, Middle East.
And Artificial-Automation will solve many problems in the future.

 

[dbc]

Lol... Your Gerald Ford until now readiness and launching rate is still below Nimitz. This is not what your salesman promised. They claim this will immediate revolutionized catapult of carriers once out into service.

..yes of course the Nimitz class CAT system has an availability rate of 96% - its a high bar. Once the kinks have been ironed out the Ford will surpass the Nimitz...and FYI, in ground testing USN EMALS has already surpassed the earlier steam generation CAT systems by a wide margin. There is big difference between testing on land by engineers and testing in operational environment offshore by the ships crew.

 

[Beast]

..yes of course the Nimitz class CAT system has an availability rate of 96% - its a high bar. Once the kinks have been ironed out the Ford will surpass the Nimitz...and FYI, in ground testing USN EMALS has already surpassed the earlier steam generation CAT systems by a wide margin. There is big difference between testing on land by engineers and testing in operational environment offshore by the ships crew.

Chinese land testing and much strict with higher criteria. Exactly the same size, same condition simulated. You need not worry so much for China. Just standby to witness our EMAL catapult working in few months time.

 

[MH.Yang]

I actually shit on the CPC all the time and will readily say they screwed up on several major occasions:

- Great Leap Forward
- Culture Revolution
- Events surrounding Jun 4th, 1989
- One Child Policy

At the same time, I also recognize there are no suitable replacement at the moment without causing significant political, economic and social turmoil.

To tell the truth, I agree that the time for ending family planning is 20 years late, which is a mistake.
I also agree that the CCP's means of handling the incident on June 4th, 1989 is not good. We can refer to the CCP's handling of the riots in Hong Kong. No one died to end the riots, and all CIA organizations in Hong Kong were exposed.
But I don't think the great leap forward and the cultural revolution are a mistake. Although these two events cost us a lot, they brought our industrial base and destroyed the hierarchy of old China. This is an important condition for us to achieve an economic miracle later.

India's caste system is actually a hierarchy. Was there no hierarchy in China before the Cultural Revolution? Is it true that the patriarch of the clan and the ordinary peasants have the same status? Are government officials and ordinary people of the same rank? Were Chinese monks less harmful than the religious forces in India today? It was the cultural revolution that destroyed these hierarchies and the burdens that hindered our progress. The cultural revolution made the peasants beat up clan leaders and officials, and let the peasants destroy those authorities and idols. This phenomenon gave the people at the bottom a great deal of confidence and equality, and thus gave birth to a completely different China. Without the cultural revolution, we would be another India. We all have problems in India, such as the hierarchy, religious forces, local forces, etc. If socialist industrialization was carried out before the hierarchy was destroyed, it would be an extremely bureaucratic Soviet Union. If capitalist industrialization was implemented before the hierarchy was destroyed, it would be an extremely inefficient India.

1959-1961, the great leap forward and three years of famine.
death toll: China population that 628.28 million in 1956, 672.06 million in 1959, 672.96 million in 1962. From 1956 to 1959, the population increased by 43.78 million, From 1956 to 1959, the population increased by 43.78 million, From 1959 to 1962, the population increased by 0.9 million.
Therefore, there are indeed a large number of deaths in China during the famine. The maximum number of deaths is 42.88 million. However, considering the lack of fertility intention in famine, the real death figure should be less than 42.88 million. Chinese people usually believe that 20 million people died.
reason: Nanfang rolling stock factory (the predecessor of CRRC , produces HSR locomotive), Baosteel & Shougang & Angang (3 giants in the steel industry), Chengdu 132 factory (the predecessor of Chengdu Aircraft Industrial, produces J20),etc. 90% of large state-owned industries, They have a common feature. Their predecessor was founded in 1959-1961. In China's rural areas, 80+% of large and medium-sized reservoirs, Their was founded in 1959-1961.
Mao Zedong ordered the Chinese people to complete 30 years of work in three years. This is the reason of famine.
It caused so many deaths, which is certainly a serious mistake. However, we need to look at problems with Marxist dialectics. It also brings the most solid foundation for China's industry and infrastructure construction.
Without a complete industrial chain and infrastructure, we may not be able to obtain the industries transferred from the West, because they are afraid of Chinese. If the conditions are the same, they will choose Indian. If India takes the lead in becoming an industrial country, China will lose the opportunity forever. Because the earth cannot support two industrial powers with a population of 1 billion.
The great leap forward was actually Mao Zedong's exchange of 20million lives for the last ticket to an industrial power on earth, and Deng Xiaoping used this ticket to get on board. Whether it is worth it or not, everyone has different opinions. However, Mao Zedong was a man who dared to go to war in Korea and the USA with a rifle. No one except Nehru would doubt Mao Zedong's courage and determination, it was normal for him to make such a choice.

 

[dbc]

Chinese land testing and much strict with higher criteria. Exactly the same size, same condition simulated. You need not worry so much for China. Just standby to witness our EMAL catapult working in few months time.

what is this strict criteria that you speak of? and, how exactly did China simulate the corrosive ocean air in a land facility?

 

[etylo]

To tell the truth, I agree that the time for ending family planning is 20 years late, which is a mistake.
I also agree that the CCP's means of handling the incident on June 4th, 1989 is not good. We can refer to the CCP's handling of the riots in Hong Kong. No one died to end the riots, and all CIA organizations in Hong Kong were exposed.
But I don't think the great leap forward and the cultural revolution are a mistake. Although these two events cost us a lot, they brought our industrial base and destroyed the hierarchy of old China. This is an important condition for us to achieve an economic miracle later.

India's caste system is actually a hierarchy. Was there no hierarchy in China before the Cultural Revolution? Is it true that the patriarch of the clan and the ordinary peasants have the same status? Are government officials and ordinary people of the same rank? Were Chinese monks less harmful than the religious forces in India today? It was the cultural revolution that destroyed these hierarchies and the burdens that hindered our progress. The cultural revolution made the peasants beat up clan leaders and officials, and let the peasants destroy those authorities and idols. This phenomenon gave the people at the bottom a great deal of confidence and equality, and thus gave birth to a completely different China. Without the cultural revolution, we would be another India. We all have problems in India, such as the hierarchy, religious forces, local forces, etc.

1959-1961, the great leap forward and three years of famine.
death toll: China population that 628.28 million in 1956, 672.06 million in 1959, 672.96 million in 1962. From 1956 to 1959, the population increased by 43.78 million, From 1956 to 1959, the population increased by 43.78 million, From 1959 to 1962, the population increased by 0.9 million.
Therefore, there are indeed a large number of deaths in China during the famine. The maximum number of deaths is 42.88 million. However, considering the lack of fertility intention in famine, the real death figure should be less than 42.88 million. Chinese people usually believe that 20 million people died.
reason: Nanfang rolling stock factory (the predecessor of CRRC , produces HSR locomotive), Baosteel & Shougang & Angang (3 giants in the steel industry), Chengdu 132 factory (the predecessor of Chengdu Aircraft Industrial, produces J20),etc. 90% of large state-owned industries, They have a common feature. Their predecessor was founded in 1959-1961. In China's rural areas, 80+% of large and medium-sized reservoirs, Their was founded in 1959-1961.
Mao Zedong ordered the Chinese people to complete 30 years of work in three years. This is the reason of famine.
It caused so many deaths, which is certainly a serious mistake. However, we need to look at problems with Marxist dialectics. It also brings the most solid foundation for China's industry and infrastructure construction.
Without a complete industrial chain and infrastructure, we may not be able to obtain the industries transferred from the West, because they are afraid of Chinese. If the conditions are the same, they will choose Indian. If India takes the lead in becoming an industrial country, China will lose the opportunity forever. Because the earth cannot support two industrial powers with a population of 1 billion

Great leap forward and Cultural Revolution I think are not that all beneficial as you claim. It also brought chaos and some hardships for the nation.

 

[MH.Yang]

Great leap forward and Cultural Revolution I think are not that all beneficial as you claim. It also brought chaos and some hardships for the nation.

Of course, Chinese usually use Marxist dialectics to analyze problems. Therefore, the Chinese do not believe that there are absolute mistakes and absolute correctness. Everything has both right and wrong parts.

The costs and benefits of the great leap forward and the cultural revolution are enormous, which will inevitably lead everyone to have different views.

To tell the truth, Mao Zedong gambled all his life. The long march is gambling, the war of resistance against Japan is gambling, and the war of liberation is gambling. During the Korean War, he gambled that Americans did not dare to use nuclear weapons. During the great leap forward, he gambled that Deng Xiaoping could seize the opportunity to industrialize China. During the cultural revolution, he gambled that social order would not collapse completely. Fortunately, he won every bet. Now that he has won, we must admit his courage and strategic vision.