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Michael Weiss
June 21, 2013

The Awakening Sunni Giant

Saudi Arabia is dead-serious about ending the Assad regime

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Saudi and Gulf leaders meet in Riyadh in March to discuss the deteriorating situation in Syria. (Image via AFP)

Last Friday, King Abdullah cut short his summer vacation in Morocco and flew back to Riyadh not only to meet with his national security advisors but to coordinate a new strategy for winning the war in Syria, one that encompasses a unified regional bloc of Sunni-majority powers now ranged against Iran, Hezbollah, and the Assad regime. The Wahhabi kingdom has exhausted its patience with miscarried attempts to resolve the Syria crisis through diplomacy and it will not wait to see the coming battle in Aleppo play out before assuming control of the Syrian rebellion. State-backed regional efforts to bolster moderate Free Syrian Army elements will thus be joined with the fetid call to jihad emanating from clerical quarters in Cairo, Doha, Mecca, and beyond. The mullahs have only themselves to blame. “Nasrallah f-cked up,” one well-connected Syrian source told me recently. “He awakened the Sunni giant. The Saudis took Hezbollah’s invasion of Qusayr personally.”

Although long in coming, and evidenced in the recent contretemps between Hamas and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, this grand realignment has been unmistakably solidified in the last week. A day after the Saudi king returned to Riyadh, Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi severed all diplomatic ties with Damascus and called for a no-fly zone in Syria, leaving no mystery as to reason behind this decision. “Hezbollah must leave Syria – these are serious words,” the Islamist president said. “There is no space or place for Hezbollah in Syria.”

Then, on Monday, June 17, it was Jordanian King Abdullah’s turn to strike a minatory, albeit more nationalistic, note. Ostensibly addressing cadets at a graduation ceremony at Mutah Military Academy, the Hashemite monarch was in fact speaking to Barack Obama and Bashar al-Assad: “If the world does not mobilize or help us in the issue [of Syria] as it should, or if this matter forms a danger to our country, we are able at any moment to take measures that will protect our land and the interests of our people.”

Unlike Morsi, who doesn’t have half a million Syrian refugees to contend with, Abdullah’s deterrent capability is not confined to persona non grata diktats and rhetorical posturing. Operation Eager Lion, the 12-day military exercise featuring the United States and 19 Arab and European countries, is currently underway in Jordan. Around 8,000 personnel – including commandos from Lebanon and Iraq who will no doubt be fighting some of their compatriots in any deployment into Syria – are given lessons on border security, refugee management, counterinsurgency, and counterterrorism warfare. Patriot missile batteries and anywhere between 12 and 24 American F-16 fighter jets were left in Jordan as a multilateral insurance policy against Syrian, Iranian, or Hezbollah provocations. This royal Abdullah is more in sync than ever with his namesake to the south.

If further proof were needed of Riyadh’s newfound earnestness about ending Assad’s reign, look no further than a recent column by Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist seen as quite close to Prince Turki al-Faisal, the former director general of Saudi intelligence who himself has described Hezbollah and Iraq’s Shiite Abu Fadhl al-Abbas Brigade in Syria as Iran’s “steel claws.” On June 15, Khashoggi published “The expanding Shiite Crescent” in al-Hayat. The piece can only be described as something between a Sunni cri de coeur and a Sunni fever-dream. Khashoggi begins by warning of creeping Iranian hegemony in the Levant, which is of course driven as much by energy and commercial interest as it is by ideology. Allow Assad victory and here’s what will happen, according to Khashoggi:

“The Iranian Oil Ministry will pull out old maps from its drawers to build the pipeline to pump Iranian oil and gas from Abadan (across Iraq) to Tartus. The Iranian Ministry of Roads and Transportation will dust off the national railways authority’s blueprints for a new branch line from Tehran to Damascus, and possibly Beirut. Why not? The wind is blowing in their favor and I am not making a mountain out of a molehill.”

As against Hafez’s careful balancing of Sunni and Shiite interests, Khashoggi concludes, the dangerous Bashar has submitted completely to Iran and their Lebanese proxy. “Consequently, Saudi Arabia must do something now, albeit alone. The kingdom’s security is at stake. It will be good if the United States joined an alliance led by Saudi Arabia to bring down Assad and return Syria to the Arab fold. But this should not be a precondition to proceed. Let Saudi Arabia head those on board.” [Italics added.]

According to Elizabeth O’Bagy, the policy director at the Syrian Emergency Task Force and a senior research analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, the Saudis had a closed-door meeting with Gen. Salim Idris, the head of the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Command, a few days ago, at which they offered to do “whatever it takes” to help Idris defeat Assad and his growing army of Shiite-Alawi sectarian militias. Though, this being a Saudi promise, “whatever it takes” can still be defined relatively: the discussion was limited to weapons, more resources and logistical support, O’Bagy said, though some of the hardware has already begun to materialize.

One unnamed Gulf source cited by Reuters has claimed that the Saudis have begun running shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles (MANPADs) into Syria. Furthermore, at least 50 “Konkurs,” Russian-made, wire-guided anti-tank missiles, have also turned up in Aleppo in the last week, as confirmed by the Daily Telegraph’s Mideast correspondent Richard Spencer (Konkurs are especially useful in destroying T-72 tanks, the most recent Soviet-era model that the Syrian Army uses.)

More intriguing still is the Western power evidently facilitating this campaign – France. Israeli Army Radio reported this week that French intelligence officials are working with their Saudi counterparts to train up rebels on tactics and weaponry, in concert with the Turkish Defense Ministry (no doubt because Turkish supply-lines to Aleppo are now even more crucial.) Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal and mukhabarat head Prince Bandar bin Sultan (also the former Saudi ambassador to the United States and King Abdullah’s national security advisor), have traveled to Paris in urgent fits of shuttle diplomacy of late.

“The French have been really, really pro-active in pushing for greater action,” O’Bagy told me. “They have a lot of really active people on the ground.” The same Gulf source who told Reuters about anti-aircraft missiles bound for Syria also said they were “obtained from suppliers in France and Belgium, and France had paid to ship them to the region.” The Hollande government maintains that it hasn’t decided whether or not to arm the rebels yet, but here it should be noted, as O’Bagy has elsewhere, that the U.S. was gun-running before it ambiguously announced last week that it would (maybe) begin doing so.

Indeed, the Saudi-French concord provides some much needed context for the Obama administration’s adherence to the status quo ante. This has been amusingly characterized by some commentators in near apocalyptic language. The White House is still only interested in guiding a process absent direct involvement in it. Everyone from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey to the president has loudly rejected the prospect of air strikes or a no-fly zone. (These “realists” fail to realize that the surest way to limit argument to arm the FSA is to destroy the regime’s own Iranian and Russian resupply capability – ah, but that would require dropping bombs and we can’t have that, can we?)

Having thus determined that the Syria crisis was not in the U.S. “national interest,” the administration conveniently forgot about the national interests of its allies, all of whom lament the geopolitical vacuum left by a vanishing American presence and greatly fear the elements now rushing in to fill it. So instead, Washington palavers with Moscow about “Geneva II”, a conference set to resemble the last half hour of Rocky IV, as the war proceeds uninterrupted on the ground. Witness the buildup of Syrian Army soldiers and militants from Hezbollah and the Iranian-sponsored Popular Committees and the National Defense Forces in the Aleppo towns of Nubul and Zahra’a. Between 3,000 and 4,000 Hezbollah fighters, abetted by IRGC agents, are amassed in the province ready to try a repeat of their last victory in Qusayr.

Congratulations are in order. The United States has just earned a court-side seat to exactly the kind of transnational Sunni-Shiite confrontation it wished to avoid.


I remember this Giant woke up some 30 years ago to support and create Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan and we are still enjoying the fruits of it. Let the Giant wake up again and this time in its own neighborhood so this can come back and take a bite on giant's own *** and that will be a win win situation for muslim world.
 
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OK. So first you discuss 632 AD events.

When I asked specific question about supposedly forced conversions in 623 AD,

you jump off to 644 AD.


What's wrong with you my dear.


Have you just said good bye to all your training of logic and history?


Please do not feel bad. So many Indians (most Hindus) behave just like Islamists because both of these groups are so prejudiced that they do not care about reality. They all make up their own reality.

And that's my friend utterly shameful.


utterly "udderly" shameful.

That example was to explain the nature of coercive persuasion which is not exclusive to using physical force.

Exclusivity of Islam was your point. I anyway maintained that every religion including Hinduism was spread by sword ( Indra, the main god of Vedic period was called Purandar ie destroyer of forts and Supression of buddhists by pushyamitra sunga, two examples that come to my mind).

I pointed out to harassment of tribes ( not exclusively during Caravan raids but even after establishment of Islam : source wikipedia ) to bolster my point.


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After the fall of Mecca, other tribes hastened to submit to the Muslims. Those who did not submit were harried until they submitted. The historian Fred Donner, in his book The Early Islamic Conquests, argues that the early Islamic state organized the nomads, the Bedouin, under the leadership of urban Arabic-speakers. This arrangement was inherently unstable as long as there were any nomads outside Muslim rule. Otherwise, any rebellious tribe had only to move its flocks and tents outside the area that the Muslims controlled in order to be free again. The Muslims would have to control the entire Syro-Arabian steppe in order to be secure. Muhammad, and the caliphs that followed him, Abu Bakr and Umar al-Khattab, put a great deal of effort into extending and solidifying these tribal treaties and conquests.

Military career of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had it been wrong, someone out of 2 billion muslims would have flagged it by now.
 
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The goal is to remove the Iranian sellouts from our countries, and make Iranian regime pay back.

I think this a very clear and straight forward vision for the Jihad against Iran and Shi'ism. But will this be enough for the Wahabi princes to maintain their thrones?
 
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That example was to explain the nature of coercive persuasion which is not exclusive to using physical force.

Exclusivity of Islam was your point. I anyway maintained that every religion including Hinduism was spread by sword ( Indra, the main god of Vedic period was called Purandar ie destroyer of forts and Supression of buddhists by pushyamitra sunga).

I pointed out to harassment of tribes ( not exclusively during Caravan raids but even after establishment of Islam : source wikipedia ) to bolster my point.




Military career of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had it been wrong, someone out of 2 billion muslims would have flagged it by now.

No because Muslims do not go to wikipedia to learn about our religion, Islam.

We understand hinduism may be an exception considering you have millions of Gods you may need a wiki page to keep track. :D
 
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No because Muslims do not go to wikipedia to learn about our religion, Islam.

We understand hinduism may be an exception considering you have millions of Gods you may need a wiki page to keep track. :D

Dude,

Your's is second largest religious group. What are the chances that any wrong or unsubstantiated information would stay on Wiki for long.You just have to flag it.
 
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I think this a very clear and straight forward vision for the Jihad against Iran and Shi'ism. But will this be enough for the Wahabi princes to maintain their thrones?

You know they do not know that they are even wahabis right? They think they are sunni and wahabis is the outside term someone made up for them. I heard you cannot search Muhammad ul Wahab in the kingdom, that may explain it. :cheesy:
 
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That example was to explain the nature of coercive persuasion which is not exclusive to using physical force.

Exclusivity of Islam was your point. I anyway maintained that every religion including Hinduism was spread by sword......


Please avoid making blanket statements as much as possible. I know sometimes we have to use a big picture method.

I can deny where Islam was spread by sword.

But

I'll counter the argument where it was not.

Hope you understand.

And

please try to use some reference to the time and place into the discussion.


otherwise it is just empty talk.


Thank you
 
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I doubt Saudi Arabia will do anything to Hezbollat because of Iran who controls them, I think because they fear Iran's influence in the region for three obvious reason. They saw how Iran stood up strong for eight years during the war between 1980 to 88, Saudi Arabia failed to handle the situation alone during the Kuwait invasion and hundreds were killed against the rebels in Yemen. The Saudi's or the GCC doesn't have any experience in modern warfares and the equipments they own are for shows. I wouldn't advice them to confront Iran alone unless if they can form a coalition force.

What they meant by serious measure is arming the opposition groups to quickly weaken the regime's force and Hezbollat. So, it's just a minor news.

You're wrong my friend. The KSA have been slapping Iran for long and the latter never dared to take it's revenge on it's own, they only arm and train terrorists here or there. Let's get back a couple of years:

1- The KSA was the main financier of Qadisya 2 war, and Iran couldn't do anything about it except moaning.

2- In 1986 two Iranian jets were shot down and Iran couldn't do a damn thing about it.

3- In 1988, 400 Iranian terrorists were killed after they tried to ruin Haj, and yet Iran couldn't do anything except moaning.

4- After 1988, Iranians were banned from Haj for two years until they abode by strict Saudi rules, and again, Iran couldn't do anything about it except submitting to Saudis.

5- In 2009, Saudis crushed Houthi terrorists and again again, Iran did nothing other than yelling and crying.

6- In 2011, the KSA and other GCC played a decisive role in imposing tough sanctions on Iran, as they wouldn't have worked out without their consent to make up an shortage in oil supplies.

7- Without KSA and GCC arm, media, diplomatic and political support for Syrians, their uprising wouldn't have survived.

8- The KSA and GCC forces entered Bahrain and Iran & sellouts couldn't do anything except getting crazily mad.:partay:


BTW, regarding Huthi war in 2009, Saudis fought Taliban-like militias who are heavily armed and who as well fight from harsh terrains, but they got crushed and begged for ceasefire, while the USA have been fighting in Afghanistan for 13 years and couldn't defeat the militias.
 
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I think this a very clear and straight forward vision for the Jihad against Iran and Shi'ism. But will this be enough for the Wahabi princes to maintain their thrones?

I didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth :D, Saudis princes will always guard Islam from it's enemies, and yes they will maintain their thrones to keep doing their holy job.
 
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I think this a very clear and straight forward vision for the Jihad against Iran and Shi'ism. ?

No one can deny KSA efforts of exporting their version of Sunnism from 1980-2000.

However Ayatullahs more than matched it nay preceded it with enormous vigor after the takeover of Tehran in 1979.

Militant $hit was exported all over the world,

And

Shias (just like Sunnis) fell victim to the call of their Ayatullah $Hit.


Pakistani-shias were the prime example of this back in the 80s.


...But will this be enough for the Wahabi princes to maintain their thrones?

Hard to say.


the best outcome would be a gradual change where KSA will become a constitutional monarchy somewhat similar to UK.

Princes can become members of "House of Lords"

Ordinary bloaks can run the House of commons

And

the King becomes a symbolic head with all the pomp and show and circus to keep the common masses entertained.





I'd rather not see them following Iranian $hit model of power transfer.




How long will it take for Saudis to get to that wonderful land?

Not sure!

but the current trends point that way.
 
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You're wrong my friend. The KSA have been slapping Iran for long and the latter never dared to take it's revenge on it's own, they only arm and train terrorists here or there. Let's get back a couple of years:

1- The KSA was the main financier of Qadisya 2 war, and Iran could do anything about it except moaning.

2- In 1986 two Iranian jets were shot down and Iran couldn't do a damn thing about it.

3- In 1988, 400 Iranian terrorists were killed after they tried to ruin Haj, and yet Iran couldn't do anything except moaning.

4- After 1988, Iranians were banned from Haj for two years until they abode by strict Saudi roles, and again, Iran couldn't do anything about it except submitting to Saudis.

5- In 2009, Saudis crushed Houthi terrorists and again again, Iran did nothing other than yelling and crying.

6- In 2011, the KSA and other GCC played a decisive role in imposing tough sanctions on Iran, as they wouldn't have worked out without their consent to make up an shortage in oil supplies.

7- Without KSA and GCC arm, media, diplomatic and political support for Syrians, their uprising wouldn't have survived.

8- The KSA and GCC forces entered Bahrain and Iran & sellouts couldn't do anything except getting crazily mad.:partay:


BTW, regarding Huthi war in 2009, Saudis fought Taliban-like militias who are heavily armed and who as well fight from harsh terrains, but they got crushed and begged for ceasefire, while the USA have been fighting in Afghanistan for 13 years and couldn't defeat the militias.

May Allah (swt) bless you. Saved a lot of time for others to explain it.

Let them live in illusion, under sanctions, poverty, a drug and crime infested society, growing political irrelevance (their proxies are falling one by one), growing hatred in the Arab and Sunni world while we have among the fastest growing economies in the world and good ties to virtually every country that is not worshipping personal cults (Twelvers) and is ruled by wannabe "Arabs".
 
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You're wrong my friend. The KSA have been slapping Iran for long and the latter never dared to take it's revenge on it's own, they only arm and train terrorists here or there. Let's get back a couple of years:

1- The KSA was the main financier of Qadisya 2 war, and Iran couldn't do anything about it except moaning.

2- In 1986 two Iranian jets were shot down and Iran couldn't do a damn thing about it.

3- In 1988, 400 Iranian terrorists were killed after they tried to ruin Haj, and yet Iran couldn't do anything except moaning.

4- After 1988, Iranians were banned from Haj for two years until they abode by strict Saudi rules, and again, Iran couldn't do anything about it except submitting to Saudis.

5- In 2009, Saudis crushed Houthi terrorists and again again, Iran did nothing other than yelling and crying.

6- In 2011, the KSA and other GCC played a decisive role in imposing tough sanctions on Iran, as they wouldn't have worked out without their consent to make up an shortage in oil supplies.

7- Without KSA and GCC arm, media, diplomatic and political support for Syrians, their uprising wouldn't have survived.

8- The KSA and GCC forces entered Bahrain and Iran & sellouts couldn't do anything except getting crazily mad.:partay:


BTW, regarding Huthi war in 2009, Saudis fought Taliban-like militias who are heavily armed and who as well fight from harsh terrains, but they got crushed and begged for ceasefire, while the USA have been fighting in Afghanistan for 13 years and couldn't defeat the militias.

When you put it that way then yeah Iran has been getting the short end of the stick for a while now. :coffee:

Although comparing the houthis to the Taliban is getting carried away as Taliban is in a different league compared to anything the Houthis were capable of mustering up.

Also Taliban has the advantage that they can slip between two countries because of poor borders.
 
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