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Rgat i m saying you sell it alone or without a Russian permission its a JV isn't @Papa DragonYour words doesn't mean anything...gimme a source
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Rgat i m saying you sell it alone or without a Russian permission its a JV isn't @Papa DragonYour words doesn't mean anything...gimme a source
I've only quoted a fraction of the indigenous radars developed by our institutes. There are a ton more and few of em are mentioned in this link
https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars
Coming to Uttam, this has been in the making for a while. Just because you blatantly spew negativity with no concrete evidence that it is an Israeli rip off doesn't make up for an argument. Come up with source where you can actually prove Israeli blue prints have been used to develop it where you're argument stands valid
The first airborne series production AESA was the EL/M-2075 Phalcon on a Chilean Air Force Boeing 707 that entered service in 1994.
In 2003, the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) carried out a joint study of the system-level requirements and feasibility of development for an Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEWAC) system.[1] The government then approved the project for the development of the AEWAC system by DRDO. Primary responsibility for the project was with DRDO's Bengaluru-based Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), which led the design, system integration and testing of the system. LRDE was responsible for the design of the radar array. Defence Electronics Application Laboratory, based in Dehradun, was responsible for the Data Link and Communication Systems for AEW&CS.
The DRDO AEWACS programme aims to deliver three radar-equipped surveillance aircraft to the Indian Air Force. The aircraft platform selected was the Embraer ERJ 145. Three ERJ 145 were procured from Embraer at a cost of US $300 Million, including the contracted modifications to the airframe. The project goal was to deploy these AEW&C aircraft by 2013.[
Cool down , he is not bad mouthing Tejas,,FYI, L&T makes the wings, Dynamatic Technologies makes the front fuselage, VEM Technologies makes the center fuselage, Alpha makes the rear fuselage and all these are private Indian firms. More components are expected to be outsourced to private Indian defense firms.
Indian Components:
Jointly Developed:
- Airframe and composites
- Landing gear
- Electronic warfare suite
- Displays
- Flight control system (Fly by wire system)
- crash resistant self sealing fuel tanks.
- valves, wires and plumbing.
Fully imported:
- Radar : This is in joint development with Elta but a custom Radar for LCA as per Indian requirements
- Targeting pods
- LRUs : These are the brains of the aircraft and are quasi Indian. They use imported silicon Chips. However the actual circuit board, system design, standards for interface and the software are 100% Indian.
- Missiles: Some are licence produced and others are fully Indian. Its a mix.
But recently, Uttam Radar has been integrated and tested on the LCA so you can count that in as well
- Radar covering cone i.e the front cone section of the aircraft which is a quartz based structure imported from UK.
- Engine from USA
- Ejection seats
- silicon semiconductor ICs
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Just because you did a green paint job on the JF with some cheap chinese paint and claimed it indigenous doesn't imply every country goes that way
None.....An indigenous AESA radar is not trivial. How much Israeli tech is hidden behind the Indian label? That's my question.
Can you provide source of 'substantial Israeli tech'?and there is substantial Israeli tech used in the plane
Radar, MFD, HMD etc etc @ni8mareCan you provide source of 'substantial Israeli tech'?
Your post no 4 was unbiased and logical, but now you are being just jealous a**h***.........just because your country is incapable to make ANY kind of radar, doesn't mean india can'tBorrowing blueprints and making superficial adjustments can pass as indigenously designed as well. You need to understand that fighter jet radars have a long history of evolution. Many processes, techniques, and algorithms are patented. For a country that doesn't even have a notable pulse-doppler radar to it's name, it is improbable that they will suddenly produce an AESA radar. It is not just about the T/R modules. The algorithms need to be developed through year's of practical testing in real world scenarios using real world ships, aircraft etc as targets.
Now your changing to goal post, no one said we are experience with airborne radar more specifically to say fighter jet....because for that we need our own fighterOther than the last two, all are ground based radars. This only reinforces my original argument. You guys don't have a credible history of radars for fighter jets, which is a whole different ball game.
Learn more about Tejas then come and have discussion..enough with spoon feedingRadar, MFD, HMD etc etc @ni8mare
We cannot without russian permission Since IP stays with russia even though now we can make 86% of brahmosYour words doesn't mean anything...gimme a source
Uttam is already integrated with Tejas for next two years it will undergo testingTen years is unrealistic for a project of this magnitude, if a country has no notable airborne radar in the past. I am not biased, I am looking at it without the lens of dogmatic nationalism. The very conceptualization of this project shows they had significant technology transfer in mind.
Your post no 4 was unbiased and logical, but now you are being just jealous a**h***.........just because your country is incapable to make ANY kind of radar, doesn't mean india can't
Here is the patent for indian GaA T/R module
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6784837
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/39/47/a5/4249f9049192db/US6784837.pdf
For the people who cannot access
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No of INDIAN AESA RADAR
Under Induction
1. Ashwini radar (18)
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2. Arudhra 4D MPR (8)
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3. Netra AWACS (2)
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4. High power radar (12)
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Under trials
1.UTTAM FCR
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2. ADTCR
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3. BMFR & BSR
(this couple with QRSAM for more https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/quick-reaction-missile-to-be-developed-by-bdl-and-drdo.428767/page-2)
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4. ADFCR
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Under development
1. AEWCS I (USHAS)
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3 LR-MFR
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4 AESA BASED INTEGRATED SENSOR SUITE OR ABISS For maritime patrol aircraft
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STRATEGIC
1. LRTR (1000 km+)
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2. Missile-Range Instrumentation Ships (MRIS): MOTR
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3.M-MOTR
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More on MIRS/MOTR
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indias-new-ballistic-missile-tracking-ship-shaping-up.507575/
Now your changing to goal post, no one said we are experience with airborne radar more specifically to say fighter jet....because for that we need our own fighter
You can put some sense into him as you like
We cannot without russian permission Since IP stays with russia even though now we can make 86% of brahmos
which is why this being done
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AWACS-I to fly by less two year then we'll talk, so shall ABISS for MMMA
An indigenous AESA radar is not trivial. How much Israeli tech is hidden behind the Indian label? That's my question.
Elta 2052 is only for jaguar, there is no radar selected for Tejas even if 2052 selected it will only go to Tejas MK1A not MK1 , and UTTAM will go to MK2 always it was intended to so there is no question of israeli tech here, work on UTTAM started long before 2052 was selected for jaguarIn your haste to call me a jealous whatever, you failed to follow the entire discussion. Go back and read again. From the beginning I have only raised the question of Indian capability around airborne radars. When I said:
it was in response to a post about the Tejas fighter. I was talking specifically about the Elbit radar, soon to be replaced by Uttam.
Now, a patent doesn't mean anything until and unless it has actually been challenged in court. But OK, let's give credit where credit is due. You guys hold the patent.
I have edit my post for new infos check them, check for algorithm post for LRMFR...and please we are good at codeBut as I already said in the post you quoted, it's not just about the T/R modules. It's about the software, the algorithms behind the hardware. It's about having the necessary computation power, and the right detection and classification algorithms. And this takes a huge amount of time.
First NETRA AWACS is itself a testbed and will be kept by DRDO not to be given to IAF, there is reason why NETRA took so much time almost late by 4 year , besides this there is other testbed based on HS-748.Show me where you have:
1. An airborne testbed.
watch this2. Airborne targets to provide realistic data.
3. Seaborne targets.
4. Land based targets.
5. Ability to synchronize various elements for a realistic test along with data gathering capability.
6. Patents/research papers on radar detection algorithms.
This stuff is not trivial and this is where any potential Israeli technology would come into play.
Currently your Tejas have a version of EL/M-2032 or whatever you labeled it with Indian name, for MFD i was wrong its from France you manufacturing it at home but tech comes from France, HMD is also come from Israel you aren't currently capable for developing and manufacturing local HMD at home and these are real facts @ni8mareLearn more about Tejas then come and have discussion..enough with spoon feeding
Your uttam will be based on EL/M-2052,senior Indian members already except this reality @ni8mareElta 2052 is only for jaguar, there is no radar selected for Tejas even if 2052 selected it will only go to Tejas MK1A not MK1 , and UTTAM will go to MK2 always it was intended to so there is no question of israeli tech here work on UTTAM started long before 2052 was selected for jaguar
Elta 2052 is only for jaguar, there is no radar selected for Tejas even if 2052 selected it will only go to Tejas MK1A not MK1 , and UTTAM will go to MK2 always it was intended to so there is no question of israeli tech here, work on UTTAM started long before 2052 was selected for jaguar
Thank you....but looks like you don't like it deeeep down
I have edit my post for new infos check them, check for algorithm post for LRMFR...and please we are good at code
First NETRA AWACS is itself a testbed and will be kept by DRDO not to be given to IAF, there is reason why NETRA took so much time almost late by 4 year , besides this there is other testbed based on HS-748.
This one is ill fated try that we did attempted but it crashed along with scientist and pilot and project abandoned (Note this one was based on PD)
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This one are for fighter jet radar, small radar segment and technology development
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watch this
The coherent pulse-Doppler Multi Mode Radar is designed to operate equally effectively in the Air to Air and Air to Surface domains. Jointly developed as an Indian – Israeli venture, it features multi-target Air to Air Track, Hi Resolution Synthetic Aperture Mapping and specialised Air to Sea modes. The radar facilitates all weather employment of a variety of Air to Air and Air to Surface Weaponry, and is the primary targeting sensor on the Tejas.
Changing the goal post again, who is talking about Hybrid MMR or indo-israeli JV PULSE DOPPLER radarLet me open your eyes for you. Here is where your airborne radar technology is coming from:
http://www.tejas.gov.in/technology/multi_mode_radar.html
Here it's you, who is leveling the indigenous AESA as israeliAn indigenous AESA radar is not trivial. How much Israeli tech is hidden behind the Indian label? That's my question.
Here you are questioning the capability of india in designing and fabricating indigenous AESA radarBorrowing blueprints and making superficial adjustments can pass as indigenously designed as well. You need to understand that fighter jet radars have a long history of evolution. Many processes, techniques, and algorithms are patented. For a country that doesn't even have a notable pulse-doppler radar to it's name, it is improbable that they will suddenly produce an AESA radar.
Hybrid MMR or indo-israeli PULSE DOPPLER radar JV, with israeli processor and electronics but with indigenous front end, since on early days we lacked semiconductor foundryCurrently your Tejas have a version of EL/M-2032 or whatever you labeled it with Indian name, for MFD i was wrong its from France you manufacturing it at home but tech comes from France, HMD is also come from Israel you aren't currently capable for developing and manufacturing local HMD at home and these are real facts @ni8mare
What you mean by 'will be '? UTTAM existed even before 2052 chosen for jaguar......which are being procured from isrealYour uttam will be based on EL/M-2052,senior Indian members already except this reality @ni8mare
Radar, MFD, HMD etc etc @ni8mare