Tejas for UAE ?

[Peaceful Civilian]

and also Darby BVR etc etc @Peaceful Civilian

May be also U.S.A engine.
Even tejas is deadly fighter in light class category , India has to come with alternative solutions if Israel, or U.S. create hurdle , but I still think it should not be issue for light class fighters if U.A.E is already operating medium class fighters.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Recently, Brahmos has been fitted with an indigenous seeker taking the indigenous content to 76% and once the booster is also completely integrated, the indigenous content would go up to 85%. I don't think permission is required from Russia. Even if needed, Russia is all about dollars and we're happy to pay em in cash

How much you put indigenous contents on Brahmos, the design still Russian they have IP rights you can't sell it without Russian permission or can copy it like China did for their j-11 series and then sell it to other countries @Papa Dragon

May be also U.S.A engine.
Even tejas is deadly fighter in light class category , India has to come with alternative solutions if Israel, or U.S. create hurdle , but I still think it should not be issue for light class fighters if U.A.E is already operating medium class fighters.

russian
Lowest chance For LCA to be inducted in UAE air force because of Israeli and Russian tech on it Brahmos, they can't sell Brahmos without Russian permission and there are possibilities that Brahmos tech and Israeli tech will be inspected by PAF/ISI spy @Peaceful Civilian

 

[Zhukov]

Too comment it objectively without trolling or bias.Despite being a very potent modern Fighter, Why would UAE want Tejas?. Its a big deal for India being home grown project that pushes local industry to whole new level and the impact it has on Indian Tech and IT sector. But can it offer what its competitors can in its class and Cost? F16,Mig35/29M and Gripen?
While JF17 makes a niche customer base among economically weak countries as
1) It is the most cost effective in its class providing all capabilities of a modern 4th gen fighter jet
2) It comes without any strings attached, Because except the engine, Everything comes from CAC/PAC which have no problem selling it to anyone
Other then these advantages JF17 is outclassed by Gripen, F16 and Mig35/29s.
While Tejas having Slight improvements compared to JF17 like use of composites, a Full Fly-by-wire Flight controls against the Hybrid Fly-by-Wire for Thunders etc. They still don't translate practically to be a big leap in capabilities comparing to the cost they add to it. And it is not even in the league of the expensive one offered by USA, Russia and Europe
TEJAS have all the disadvantages as JF17 have against its competitors. But it also don't have 1 and 2 as FC1/JF17 have. And the reason perhaps was it was never meant to be cost effective solution. India poured too much into this project to make it a world class fighter actually. It neither matured into a cost effective solution, nor it stood out among Gripen,F16 and Mig35 plus it has too many foreign components to be available with TOT and without any strings.
But i have to admit the availability of time and Tested Russian Air to Air Missiles for Tejas is a big Plus that JF17 currently lacks with newly developed Chinese missiles.

 

[Tps43]

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A long shot and It won't happen.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

russian
Lowest chance For LCA to be inducted in UAE air force because of Israeli and Russian tech on it Brahmos, they can't sell Brahmos without Russian permission and there are possibilities that Brahmos tech and Israeli tech will be inspected by PAF/ISI spy @Peaceful Civilian

India is buying billions worth weapons from Russia, Israel,France and U.S.A. India lobby can play important role .
Just Barak 8 defense system with Israel reached to 6 Billion dollar deal with Israel. Also India is buying billions of worth defense system from Russia and JV of fighters, India finalised billions worth deal for 36 rafale from France. India is buying latestweapons from U.S.A too. Latest Apaches, then expensive AWACS and other defense system.
Due to billions of worth stake above countries should not have problems for selling tejas to U.A.E.

 

[Ultima Thule]

India is buying billions worth weapons from Russia, Israel,France and U.S.A. India lobby can play important role .
Just Barak 8 defense system with Israel reached to 6 Billion dollar deal with Israel. Also India is buying billions of worth defense system from Russia and JV of fighters, India finalised billions worth deal for 36 rafale from France. India is buying latestweapons from U.S.A too. Latest Apaches, then expensive AWACS and other defense system.
Due to billions of worth stake above countries should not have problems for selling tejas to U.A.E.

You still don't get my point, We are also deer relations with UAE, We are the creator of UAE airforce and train them a lot in early days of UAE airforce her are the Chances that PAF/ISI spy are going to look Israeli and Russian Tech (Brahmos) in Their (UAE) Tejas @Peaceful Civilian

 

[CriticalThought]

I'm sure you're aware of CAG in India which is responsible for conducting audits on high budgeted government projects and they don't bend to any pressure. They're the ones responsible for stating the indigenous content of our defense systems based on which you guys mock us in certain aspects. If something isn't indigenous, they aren't afraid or ashamed to call it a non-indigenous component

What is the definition of 'indigenous' that your CAG uses?

 

[Papa Dragon]

What is the definition of 'indigenous' that your CAG uses?

Components which are wholly designed, developed and manufactured by our research. Refer to my previous post # 10 which is a report given by CAG on the breakdown of components used in LCA

 

[CriticalThought]

Components which are wholly designed, developed and manufactured by our research. Refer to my previous post # 10 which is a report given by CAG on the breakdown of components used in LCA

Borrowing blueprints and making superficial adjustments can pass as indigenously designed as well. You need to understand that fighter jet radars have a long history of evolution. Many processes, techniques, and algorithms are patented. For a country that doesn't even have a notable pulse-doppler radar to it's name, it is improbable that they will suddenly produce an AESA radar. It is not just about the T/R modules. The algorithms need to be developed through year's of practical testing in real world scenarios using real world ships, aircraft etc as targets.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Components which are wholly designed, developed and manufactured by our research. Refer to my previous post # 10 which is a report given by CAG on the breakdown of components used in LCA

Brahmos design is still russian they have IP rights you can't export it without their permission @Papa Dragon

 

[Papa Dragon]

Borrowing blueprints and making superficial adjustments can pass as indigenously designed as well. You need to understand that fighter jet radars have a long history of evolution. Many processes, techniques, and algorithms are patented. For a country that doesn't even have a notable pulse-doppler radar to it's name, it is improbable that they will suddenly produce an AESA radar. It is not just about the T/R modules. The algorithms need to be developed through year's of practical testing in real world scenarios using real world ships, aircraft etc as targets.

Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (1962)
INDRA series 2D Doppler Radar
Rajendra fire control PESA Radar for Akash SAM
Central Acquisition Radar (Planar Array/S-band)
Battle Field Surveillance Radar (Man-Portable)
Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR-3D AESA) - developed with Israel
Low Level Lightweight Radar (LLLR) "Bharani"
BEL Weapon Locating Radar
Uttam AESA
Airborne Warning and Control AESA - Mounted on our AEW&C systems

The above are some of our indigenous radars developed by ERDE alone and most of them have been inducted into the armed forces and many of your fellow countrymen acknowledged the same. You can google regarding their development and induction process/timelines

Brahmos design is still russian they have IP rights you can't export it without their permission @Papa Dragon

Provide a neutral source that Russia alone has the IP rights over Brahmos

 

[CriticalThought]

Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (1962)
INDRA series 2D Doppler Radar
Rajendra fire control PESA Radar for Akash SAM
Central Acquisition Radar (Planar Array/S-band)
Battle Field Surveillance Radar (Man-Portable)
Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR-3D AESA) - developed with Israel
Low Level Lightweight Radar (LLLR) "Bharani"
BEL Weapon Locating Radar
Uttam AESA
Airborne Warning and Control AESA - Mounted on our AEW&C systems

The above are some of our indigenous radars developed by ERDE alone and most of them have been inducted into the armed forces and many of your fellow countrymen acknowledged the same. You can google regarding their development and induction process/timelines


Provide a neutral source that Russia alone has the IP rights over Brahmos

Other than the last two, all are ground based radars. This only reinforces my original argument. You guys don't have a credible history of radars for fighter jets, which is a whole different ball game.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Other than the last two, all are ground based radars. This only reinforces my original argument. You guys don't have a credible history of radars for fighter jets, which is a whole different ball game.

I've only quoted a fraction of the indigenous radars developed by our institutes. There are a ton more and few of em are mentioned in this link
https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars

Coming to Uttam, this has been in the making for a while. Just because you blatantly spew negativity with no concrete evidence that it is an Israeli rip off doesn't make up for an argument. Come up with source where you can actually prove Israeli blue prints have been used to develop it where you're argument stands valid

 

[Ultima Thule]

Provide a neutral source that Russia alone has the IP rights over Brahmos

I say design is solely Russian over design you have no IP rights @Papa Dragon

 

[Papa Dragon]

I say design is solely Russian over design you have no IP rights @Papa Dragon

Your words doesn't mean anything...gimme a source