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TF-X, SAR 223, ALTAY

Do you have satellites like Iran? Can you hack anything like Iran who is isolated from everything with the savage JEW embargo? Do you produce any drones?

http://rt.com/usa/iran-hack-navy-computers-458/

A riffle is not hard to make, neither is a tank. It has existed since decades.
If you go to JEW USA you would see the thousands of variety of riffles existing there.
 
When did this thread become "Turks Muslim vs Turks Non Muslims".... let's stick to the topic........:angry:

Now someone tell me which system is it? HQ-9? If yes, then a very wise choice on Turkey's part! :tup:





















Dude, one more thread you crap on and you may end up pretty-in-pink. Stop with your incessant pointless rants.

All countries parasited by the JEW USA are lazy, uncompetent, dependant who can only buy buy and buy again. So the JEW USA can exterminate them when it's good for them.
 
Chinese recently bag algeria frigate project. I hope Turkish will buy Chinese warship package too. :D

A source for that,i'm really curious,the algerians allready have russian frigates,russian corvettes on order,german frigates on order,now chinese ? What kind of ships ? Pls elaborate.
 
Do you have satellites like Iran? Can you hack anything like Iran who is isolated from everything with the savage JEW embargo? Do you produce any drones?

http://rt.com/usa/iran-hack-navy-computers-458/

A riffle is not hard to make, neither is a tank. It has existed since decades.
If you go to JEW USA you would see the thousands of variety of riffles existing there.

That's why i could you ignorant you know nothing about Turkey's capabilities and products but yet you are throwing **** on us.
 
It's a crime to denounce the NATO fake muslims Turkey?

NATO Turkey is massing thousands of tanks at the border with Syria

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That's why i could you ignorant you know nothing about Turkey's capabilities and products but yet you are throwing **** on us.

You're a traitor to Islam don't expect respect, it's a simple as that.

Actually when you're a traitor it's what you deserve not only to Islam.

Do you think you don't throw bad things on Syria with your NATO medias and the fact that you send in Al Qaeda?
 
Now someone tell me which system is it? HQ-9? If yes, then a very wise choice on Turkey's part! :tup:

It is HQ-9 indeed but the discussion in the Turkish section was more like, how much ToT are getting and are going to make our missiles after taking ToT.

And we have seen indicators that would be the case.

Regarding HQ-9 there is not much data available in the Internet so we can't go a decent comparison between HQ-9 and it's counterparts.

@Sun Piwa

Are you itching for a fight ?
 
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A source for that,i'm really curious,the algerians allready have russian frigates,russian corvettes on order,german frigates on order,now chinese ? What kind of ships ? Pls elaborate.


http://www.****************/dutch-ok-military-equipment-supply-to-algeria-48774/

A Dutch company is allowed to sell some 21 million euros of military equipment to Algeria. Thales Nederland has received an export licence, Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans says in a letter to parliament.
The deal involves radar systems and so-called C3 systems (command, control and communication). This equipment will go to Algeria via China, where the Algerian navy has ordered three small frigates for fighting terrorism and the defence of the country.
The systems will be partially built into the frigates by Thales Nederland staff, after which sensitive hardware and software will ultimately be installed in Algeria. This is being done to prevent Chinese companies or the Chinese government gaining access to sensitive information.
The licence application was checked against the EU position on weapons exports, according to the minister. In the area of human rights, it is judged that it is not to be expected that the systems could contribute to violations.
Timmermans also said Algeria has a legitimate need to protect itself against terrorist action, for example by Islamic-fundamentalist organisations like Al-Qaida and Magreb Islamique. He also virtually ruled out the chances of the sensitive relations of Algeria with its neighbour Morocco to escalate in the military area
Timmermans did not himself name the Dutch company in the letter, but Thales Netherlands has confirmed that it is the company in question. This is the first time it has supplied Algeria.
Recently, Thales won an export licence for the sale of radar fire control systems to Taiwan. This deal is worth 10 million euros for the company.


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Project C28A frigate.

Before that, China export 2 naval training ship to Algeria and 155mm Howitzer for Algeria army.

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They are equiping the ships with dutch sensors i see ,must be because the chinese sensors,radars were to advanced,the algerians couldn't handle all that "advanceness" in technology....:)
 
HQ-9 is an amazing system, with a way way more advanced terminal guidance system than any available Russian system or anything that the US might have offered. So basically it was an excellent choice. Regarding the ToT, I have no info as of now. Will wait and check it out with contacts once the deal materializes.


Leave Paw-Paw alone, I think his time is up anyhow and soon will be shown the door. You shouldn't get an infraction for engaging him.

It is HQ-9 indeed but the discussion in the Turkish section was more like, how much ToT are getting and are going to make our missiles after taking ToT.

And we have seen indicators that would be the case.

Regarding HQ-9 there is not much data available in the Internet so we can't go a decent comparison between HQ-9 and it's counterparts.

@Sun Piwa

Are you itching for a fight ?
 
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It is HQ-9 indeed but the discussion in the Turkish section was more like, how much ToT are getting and are going to make our missiles after taking ToT.

And we have seen indicators that would be the case.

Regarding HQ-9 there is not much data available in the Internet so we can't go a decent comparison between HQ-9 and it's counterparts.

@Sun Piwa

Are you itching for a fight ?

Turkey's military growth is amazing; you guys should keep pushing forward. It's a good think you went for the HQ-9 missile its tech is stunningly dreadful.
 
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They are equiping the ships with dutch sensors i see ,must be because the chinese sensors,radars were to advanced,the algerians couldn't handle all that "advanceness" in technology....:)

The Chinese are not yet in a position in the area of naval ships to offer their best as they need to keep that for their own security.

With the rapid advances they are making, you will see towards the latter part of the decade warships being sold to nations that actually can afford to purchase from the West.

The HQ-9 is just the start.
 
What Chinese Saying,

Well-Known Chinese Military expert Chen Hu:


Reuters reported on the 26th that the Turkish Defense Minister Yilmaz announced that China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation won the tender of Turkish remote air defense and missile defense system "T-Loramids" project with a total price of $ 3 billion. The decision was approved in Turkey Defense Industry Executive Committee meeting, which was chaired by Prime Minister Erdogan.

In this competition, the Chinese Red Flag-9 remote surface to air missile (Export model: FD-2000) would have been considered as the "sauce emperor" to accompany "princes" on studying, because the opponents are the air defense missiles of the famous American Raytheon's Patriot-3, Russia defense export company’s S-400 and the Eurosam's Aster 30.

Since Turkey is a NATO country, which had been a staunch ally of the United States during the Cold War. In1962, it allowed the United States to deploy on its territory to aim at the Soviet nuclear missiles, thus giving rise to the "Cuban Missile Crisis ". And therefore, people all think that this bid is most probably to lie on Patriot and meanwhile “Aster” also has a big chance.

But in surprise, the Red Flag-9 won in the end. This is the first time for China to export air defense weapons to NATO countries.
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Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei yesterday responded at a regular press conference:"The Chinese government has always been in line with a prudent and responsible attitude to carry out military trade cooperation. The above corporation between China and Turkey is the normal military trade cooperation between the two countries."

Back to June of this year, the American Defense News once said, Turkey "strongly" tended to buy the Chinese Red Flag-9 system. Soon afterwards, the U.S. and Europe "warned” Turkey not to select Chinese or Russian system.

After the surprise, many readers are wondering: Why Turkey against the pressure of the NATO allies chose Chinese air defense system? And how does the Red Flag-9 fit into the NATO system? How to avoid leaks? Reporters connect the well-known military expert Chen Hu.


Why Turkey chose Red Flag-9?

""""""As for the reason that Turkey chose the air defense missiles of China, the most intuitive advantage is the cheap price. According to the reports, the Turkish project budget is $ 4 billion, while in 2009 the American Patriot-3 was charged at $ 7.8 billion and the Aster 30 was charged at $ 5.5 billion, which both exceeds the budget. The S400 is also more expensive than the Red Flag-9 of $ 3 billion."""""""

The weapon performance is another more important factor. Patriot-3 has a comprehensive capability of air defense and anti-missile; although there is a very high flexibility of Aster 30, but it has no ability to fight against ballistic missiles; S400 specializes in combating aircraft and cruise missiles. However, according to the foreign media reports, in the shooting tests in Turkey, the Red Flag-9 ranked first.

Taken together to measure, the Red Flag-9 has a very high cost performance.

However, in the international arms sales, the more decisive factor is politics rather than price and performance. The continuing hostility between Russia and Turkey on the issue of Syria and the continuing confrontation between Russia and NATO decided S400's slim chance of winning.


Over the years, Turkey has adjusted its foreign strategy in the long term to pursue pro-Western, into the EU's strategy to a more independent foreign emphasis on the emergence of the so-called 'Look East' trend. Chen Hu analyzed, since 2002 In the Justice and Development Party came to power, Turkey joined the EU long-term strategy for gradually lost enthusiasm in the West no longer follow the footsteps behind. In this context, Turkey's military procurement is no longer only the United States and Europe both options. In fact, Turkey has independently developed long-range artillery and main battle tanks jointly developed with South Korea.
In sales, the sale of the country in order to win orders, often promised transfer of technology. Defense against those who seek an independent country, it is very tempting. According to Agence France-Presse reported that Turkey has begun with China Precision Machinery Import and Export Company in Turkey to discuss cooperation matters manufacturing HQ-9 system.
Turkey, as one on the rise, there are ambitious regional power, the pursuit of strategic, long-range air defense system independent manufacturer, is logical. Chen Hu said.


How compatible with NATO air defense early warning system?

According to Defense News reports that Turkey may be difficult to buy a red flag -9 NATO anti-missile system with its existing integration. Western diplomats and experts have warned that Turkey could not be allowed to the – soil and soil air defense system within NATO's early warning system together.

"""""""""This is actually not a big problem. Chen Hu told reporters that the first air defense missile system has a complete independent combat capability. If you want to share with NATO air situation early warning information network, data link will appear incompatibility problems. The other side is impossible to NATO standard communication protocol to tell the Chinese, then you can stay out of communication exported by the Turkish themselves.
In fact, plus a secure module, they can solve the problems of data link communications, unlike so difficult to imagine. Chen Hu revealed road."""""""""""



How to prevent leaks?

""""""""""Many users worry that in a review, the red flag -9 sell NATO countries, will the Chinese anti-aircraft missile performance parameters, key technologies, as well as radar and signal frequency characteristics of these military secrets leaked to the U.S.?
There is a practice of international arms sales, sell weapons, several core aspects of the main equipment and their troops is certainly not the same. Chen Hu told reporters that the anti-aircraft missiles, for example, fire control radar-guided work band, as well as operational command and control software, FD-2000 equipped with the PLA HQ-9, must not the same, we do not need to worry.""""""""""""


Chen Hu: Export Turkish missiles and occupied different having to worry about leaks |
Chinese Missile Won Turkey's $ 3 Billion's Bill - DailyEconomic
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Regular Press Conference on September 27, 2013

If the prices above correct on average $ 6 Billion worth systems come to us half price $ 3 Billion plus bonus co-production co-development and tot. Its a bargain.

The article is bull crap. This purchase announce is force China to pressure Russia to agree to UN sanctions on Syria. Once that is accomplished, then Turkey would ditch this purchase and go for a NATO system. So this is just a political ploy.
 
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