Su-30MKI - Super Sukhoi Upgrade Program.

[Local_Legend]

A fly in the ointment
The announcements from Russian manufacturers sound optimistic, but economic realities, shortcomings in organization and management and difficulties with training and recruiting personnel could hinder the implementation of their ideas. Russia still has difficulties mass-producing airborne active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar systems like those the U.S. already has not only on its fifth-generation F-22 and F-35 fighter aircraft, but also on its upgraded fourth-generation F-16 and F-15 fighters. The only Russian AESA radar system, Zhuk-A, created for the MiG-35, was first presented back in 2009, but as at the end of 2015 was still at the testing stage.

According to KRET, the Russian government has allocated 680 million rubles (about $8.4 million) to the entire ROFAR program. By comparison, the U.S. Department of Defense allocated $110 million dollars to photonics back in 2014, and plans to raise at least as much from private investors.

It is not just Russia and the U.S. who are involved in this technology race. For example, scientists from Italy presented a working model of a photonics-based radar system back in March 2013. And Jean-Loïc Galle, the executive vice president at France's Thales Group, has announced that it is stepping up its work in this area.

With such global competition, the announcements from Russia's KRET that working technology is to be created in the very near future sound almost like a challenge and represent a further test of the capabilities of Russia's defense industry.

( Sorry , Can't post link coz Im new.)

 

[zebra7]

NIIP Tikhomirov will supply the MKI's radar. The Mig-35 radar from Phazatron was speculation. And the MKI won't carry a radar from a different country. Radar was never the missing piece, but the radar technology that will be used is still in doubt, whether we will use the first generation AESA that will come with PAK FA Stage 1 or the second generation radar that will come with PAK FA Stage 2.

The second generation radar is many, many times superior to the first generation. The first gen is a simple radar that you can find in other aircraft today, including the F-22/35, Rafale etc. The second generation radar will be able to map an enemy pilot's face from 500Km away. It can see through the F-22's body and look at the type of weapons it is carrying, it can see through buildings and count the number of people inside it etc.

However what is in question is the type of engine upgrade. We don't know if it will use the same engines, same engines with uprated thrust (most likely) or a brand new engine like the 117S.

Bhaiya Yeh main Kya sun raha hu

bhai ji ye kuch jyada hi hogaya

Hi Guru Jee Jab aap aye to hum Ban Ho gaye. Random Bhai ne to Jyada to nahi chada lee

 

[randomradio]

Bhaiya Yeh main Kya sun raha hu

Nanophotonics. Electronics toh suna hoga na? Yeh next gen hai. Aage chal ke electronics ko replace karegi. Saare fields mein, processors mein bhe. Electronics industry se photonics industry.

Developer ka website padho.
http://kret.com/en/news/10260/

 

[zebra7]

Nanophotonics. Electronics toh suna hoga na? Yeh next gen hai. Aage chal ke electronics ko replace karegi. Saare fields mein, processors mein bhe. Electronics industry se photonics industry.

Developer ka website padho.
http://kret.com/en/news/10260/

Bahut Acha hai Bhaiya. Most of the things in the article was OHT --- Over Head Transmission to me.

But Bhaiya.

1. Russia is not the only one who is working on this field, nor it is the leading one to put the most money and R&D on it.

2. If we are talking of Super Sukhoi upgrade, than the most economical one would be to persue the Bars upgrade, which would include the AESA probably GANs based Antenna Gimlet, and the Radar Computer upgrade.

3. Looking at the MKI being the one which is used as the test bed for our indegenous ASTRA, NGRAAM and now the Brahmos, I feel that Russia have shared the source code of the BARS with India. What is needed with the BARS is the algorithm needed for the A2G target detection and the SAR which even Russia lags behind the Israel

 

[randomradio]

Bahut Acha hai Bhaiya. Most of the things in the article was OHT --- Over Head Transmission to me.

But Bhaiya.

1. Russia is not the only one who is working on this field, nor it is the leading one to put the most money and R&D on it.

Based on open source, US, France and Italy are also working on it. It is obvious that so is India and China.

It's more important to put it in the field first. It appears Russia will be first. Other countries may come in anywhere after 5 to 10 years, maybe more.

Russia did that even in the 80s, when they first put PESA on a Mig-31. Their competitors matched that only in the 2000s.

2. If we are talking of Super Sukhoi upgrade, than the most economical one would be to persue the Bars upgrade, which would include the AESA probably GANs based Antenna Gimlet, and the Radar Computer upgrade.

We are not looking at 'economical' upgrades. It is actually more economical if we go for avionics that are similar to FGFA anyway. I am not saying this radar will go on the MKI right away anyway. We are only upgrading the first 50 jets out of 270 right now. So it can come in anytime. Getting it with the first 50 will be bonus.

3. Looking at the MKI being the one which is used as the test bed for our indegenous ASTRA, NGRAAM and now the Brahmos, I feel that Russia have shared the source code of the BARS with India. What is needed with the BARS is the algorithm needed for the A2G target detection and the SAR which even Russia lags behind the Israel

We don't know that, if Russia is lagging behind. Bur current Bars is quite restricted in hardware because it is PESA compared to all the AESAs coming up.

We won't know for a few more years.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Centurion2016

You said in that LCA thread that India's contribution to SU 30 mki is equal to Pakistan's contribution in JF 17

https://defence.pk/threads/hal-tejas-updates-news-discussions-thread-2.351401/page-118#post-8450494


That is not correct
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http://www.indiadefence.com/SU_30MKI.pdf

The heart of the Su-30MKI’s cutting-edge navigation and-attack system, however, is India’s own range of core mission computers, display processors and radar programmable signal processors, which have been developed by the State-owned Defence Research & Development Organisation under Project Vetrivel.

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http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html
Indian Contribution

The Su-30MKI contains not only Russian, French, South African and Israeli Customer Furnished Equipment (CFE), but also a substantial percentage of Indian designed and manufactured avionics.

They took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF.

Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.

The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:

• Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)
• Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
• Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE
• IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
• Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)
• Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)
• Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)
• Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE

The 32-bit Mission Computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests. In compliance with MIL-STD-1521 and 2167A standards, Ada language has been adopted for the mission computer's software. The other DARE-developed product, the Tarang Mk2 (Tranquil) radar warning receiver, is manufactured by state-owned BEL at its Bangalore facility.

These avionics equipment have also been certified for their airworthiness in meeting the demanding standards of Russian military aviation. The cumulative value of such indigenous avionic equipment is estimated to exceed Rs. 250 lakhs per aircraft. Since the core avionics were developed by a single agency (DRDO) - they have significant commonality of hardware and software amongst them using a modular approach to design. This obviously results in major cost and time savings in development; it also benefits the user in maintenance and spares inventories.

The DRDO has gone a step further and come out with a new design of the Core Avionics Computer (CAC) which can be used with a single module adaptation across many other aircraft platforms. Thus the CAC which is derived from the computers designed for the Su-30MKI will now be the centre piece of the avionics upgrades for the MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft as well. The CAC was demonstrated by DRDO at the Aero India exhibition at Yelahanka and attracted a good deal of international attention. Taken together with the systems already developed indigenously for the LCA (such as the Digital Flight Control Computer and HUD), clearly Indian avionics have a significant export potential in the burgeoning global market for avionics modernisation.

 

[randomradio]

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...sukhoi-russia-upgrade-su-30mki-fgfa/87609150/

India has stepped up negotiations with Russia to upgrade its 194 Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole aircraft with the near fifth-generation level at a cost of more than $8 billion. The upgraded version would be renamed Super Sukhoi.

"A Russian team was in New Delhi earlier this month to discuss [the] upgrade plan with India, which will be finalized in the next four to six months," said a senior Ministry of Defence (MoD) official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) wants to upgrade the existing and eventually the entire fleet of 272 Su-30MKI to the near fifth-generation level to increase its combat worthiness, an IAF official said.

While the IAF official said the [Su-30MKI] upgrade won't affect the proposed Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) — worth $25 billion — analysts say the diversion of funds for the Super Sukhoi could delay the FGFA.

India and Russia inked a Preliminary Development Agreement in 2011 to jointly build the FGFA. However, a final agreement, which will clear the payment of around $6 billion as India's share in the development of the FGFA, has yet to be inked because the two sides have not been able to resolve issues relating to work share in production, the order from IAF and the incorporation of FGFA by IAF.

"Upgrade of the Su-30 will certainly slow the FGFA acquisition primarily due to financial limitations," retired IAF Air Marshal Muthumanikam Matheswaran said. "But upgraded Su-30 is not the same as FGFA."

Asked the rationale to upgrade in place of buying a new aircraft since the cost of upgrades are often steep, Matheswaran said: "An upgrade at the maximum will be about half the cost of the original aircraft in Su-30 generation. A new aircraft in place of Su-30 means FGFA, which is far more expensive."

Explaining why Super Sukhoi will not come at the cost of the FGFA, a second, senior IAF official said: "FGFA is a program already approved; Super Sukhoi is not yet approved."

Daljit Singh, a retired IAF Air Marshal and defense analyst, explained the difference between FGFA and Super Sukhoi.

"FGFA has some distinct features, which Super Su-30MKI will not have. These include internal weapon-carrying bays to enhance[d] stealth features, integrated internal fit of electronic warfare suite, super-cruise capability and inherent stealth design. Su-30 cannot be redesigned as a stealth aircraft. Any changes of wing design and material to improve stealth would be very expensive and time consuming and would be akin to a different design. Therefore, FGFA project may not be canceled in total in view of the Su-30 upgrade," Singh said.

The plan to bring Super Sukhoi closer to FGFA includes modernizing the cockpit for pilots so that it will be easier for the pilots to shift to FGFA. In addition the upgraded aircraft will have advanced stealth characteristics and be equipped with longer range missiles with an infrared homing system, the Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile BrahMos, and will have new advanced avionics and active electronically scanned array, according to a diplomat with the Russian Embassy.

"[A] major part of the upgrade [to Super Sukhoi] involves avionics and sensors. These are completely new with new systems and new software. Hence it has no relation to old problems with software. Engine issues will have to be dealt with," Matheswaran said.

A Russian diplomat in India, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that after the contract is signed for the upgrade to Super Sukhoi, the prototype will be made in Russia and the upgrade will be done at India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

Despite the need expressed by IAF for Super Sukhoi, availability of funds remains a major hitch, the first IAF official said. The MoD official also confirmed that availability of funds for upgrade could be an issue.

IAF has significant shortage of combat aircraft and the numbers are falling; and the fighter aircraft strength of IAF is down to 25 squadrons (one squadron is equal to 18 aircraft) as against the required strength of 45 squadrons, the first IAF official said.

 

[T-55]

 

[PARIKRAMA]

New lease of life for Indian ‘Flanker’
Published: July 28th, 2016


According to trade journal Defense News, India has ‘stepped up negotiations’ with Russia as it seeks to upgrade its front-line fleet of Sukhoi Su-30MKI multi-role fighters. Expected to cost in excess of $8 billion, the upgrade package is intended to bring the aircraft to a ‘fifth-generation level’ and will be carried out on an initial total of 194 jets.

There has long been talk of a proposed or ‘Super 30’ upgrade for the Indian ‘Flanker’ fleet, but the ‘Super Sukhoi’ now seems to have been adopted for the initiative. It seems that urgency has been added by New Delhi’s continued failure to sign off on a deal for 36 Dassault Rafale fighters, as well as growing concerns that the Indo-Russian Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) might fall short of requirements.

Based on the latest report, Russian officials visited New Delhi in the last few weeks in order to iron out details of the upgrade. Quoting an unnamed official, Defense News says that the upgrade deal will be ‘finalized in the next four to six months’.

Under a series of contracts (the first of which was signed on November 30, 1996, and the most recent on December 24, 2012), total orders for the Indian Air Force have reached 272 Su-30MKI versions. By early 2016, the IAF had received an estimated 225 aircraft, including 50 delivered in a ‘flyaway’ condition from Russia and 175 made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s (HAL) Nasik facility. At the beginning of 2016 the Indian Air Force initiated the procurement of a batch of 40 more Su-30MKIs.

The latest upgrade package for India will likely be based around a new computing system (reportedly of Israeli design) as well as new or upgraded sensors, primarily the radar. The weapons array is to be enhanced with long-range RVV-BD (R-37M) and medium-range RVV-SD (R-77-1) air-to-air missiles (AAMs), as well as Kh-59MK air-to-surface missiles. India also wants to adapt the aircraft for the carriage of indigenous weapons, including Astra AAMs; an Astra was launched from a Su-30MKI for the first time on May 4, 2014, during trials in India. New self-protection systems are expected, as well as engine compressor blades, wing and empennage leading edges, and cockpit canopy coatings to reduce the radar cross-section. The AL-31FP engine control system will be upgraded. Under a separate project, the Indo-Russian Brahmos-A air-to-surface missile is to be implemented on the Su-30MKI.

At the beginning of this year Yuri Belyi, the head of the Tikhomirov NIIP radar company, complained that talks with India about the upgrade of the Su-30MKI had stalled. It is more likely that Russia’s Su-30SM fighters will be upgraded first. As far as the radar is concerned, two stages of upgrade work are planned: first, the Indian computers will be replaced with indigenous examples, and then the radar performance will be enhanced (longer range, greater jamming resistance, new operational modes). Replacement of the passive electronically scanned array (PESA) with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) unified with the N036/N079 radar antenna of the fifth-generation Sukhoi T-50 fighter was once considered, but this has apparently been abandoned.

It has been suggested that Su-30MKI upgrade will push back the FGFA. This is bad timing for the $25-billion Indo-Russian fighter project — itself based on the Sukhoi T-50 — which has already run into flak in India.

According to Angad Singh, a New Delhi-based defense journalist, ‘The IAF has repeatedly signaled a willingness to sacrifice the FGFA if it means they can shore up fighter numbers in the short term. The hugely expensive MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) program, and now the government-to-government Dassault Aviation Rafale deal have priority at Air Headquarters, and multiple pronouncements by multiple officers have indicated that they are willing to push back or scale down (or both) the FGFA in favor of a more immediate fourth-generation buy.’

While the Su-30MKI upgrade won’t boost numbers of aircraft on the flight line, it will help ensure that the IAF remains credible despite a drastic decline in fighter numbers (equivalent to 25 squadrons compared to the required strength of 45 squadrons).

Russian officials confirm that once a contract for the Sukhoi upgrade is signed, an initial prototype will be completed in Russia and upgrade will be conducted by HAL in India. This is the same approach that has been taken for India’s ongoing MiG-29 upgrade project.

A full account of the two-seat Su-30 ‘Flanker’ family — including the IAF’s Su-30MKI — appeared in the August issue of Combat Aircraft.

Thomas Newdick
http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/07/28/new-lease-of-life-for-indian-flanker/

 

[Abingdonboy]

That's pretty cool but it's not going to be as drastic as that.

 

[ashok321]

https://defence.pk/threads/india-ne...sukhoi-standards-for-8bn.441750/#post-8516328

 

[[Bregs]]

Russia, India may hold first aircraft launches of BrahMos by year end

In late June, a modified Su-30MKI fighter jet performed its first experimental flight with a BrahMos missile demonstrator

MOSCOW, August 2. /TASS/. Russia and India may hold two launches of BrahMos cruise missiles from a Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jet against sea and ground targets at the end of this year, the CEO of Russia’s Research and Production Association of Machine-Building told TASS on

The Research and Production Association of Machine-Building is involved in the development of BrahMos cruise missiles jointly with the Indian side.

"If positive results of the work with the technologically operational missile are received, there are plans to carry out demonstration launches of two organic missiles against a sea and a ground target," CEO of the Research and Production Association of Machine-Building Alexander Leonov said.

In late June, a modified Su-30MKI fighter jet performed its first experimental flight with a BrahMos missile demonstrator, he added.
According to Leonov, a flight with a mock-up equipped with a system of sensors confirmed the calculated data and the results of tests on scaled models in a wind tunnel.

"After fulfilling the program of flights to get operational performance readings, the so-called emergency release of the mock-up is planned to get data on the dynamics of the missile’s safe separation from the aircraft," Leonov said.

Spokesman for the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace Praveen Pathak earlier told Russian daily Izvestia that the possibility of the missile’s separation from an aircraft would be checked in August. In his estimate, the first launch of a missile from a Su-30MKI may take place in autumn.

India plans to arm three regiments of Su-30MKI fighter jets with BrahMos missiles. For this purpose, the missile has been improved: the airborne version is 500 kilograms lighter and almost half a meter shorter. BrahMos missiles are already operational with the Indian Army and Navy.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/892006

 

[GuardianRED]

Got an article from combat aircraft about the IAF for the Red Flag Alaska 2016 ... how do i upload this on PDF?

 

[Han Patriot]

Semi stealth, same like semi-HSR, or semi failure? You guys are really funny.

 

[Taygibay]

Got an article from combat aircraft about the IAF for the Red Flag Alaska 2016 ... how do i upload this on PDF?

I take it you mean a paper based article, GuardianR mate?

If so, the old school way is taking a picture of each page with the text big and clear enough
or to find a modern computer printer. Those have scanning possibilities and proper software
will even allow you to read the characters off the print and make it a text based document.

There is an even older trick to be sure and that is to type in the words you read on your keyboard
with your own 2 pretty agile little indexes. I think it's called a transcript and it's a drag but it works!

Tay.