Bro Hj786... I don't think that the JF17 was ever intended to be a useless aircraft. In its final configuration, it will certainly be a capable aircraft. However it is not fair to say that while the JF17 will be evolving, the MKI will be static. It has its own upgrade program in the pipeline and will benefit from SU35 and Pak-Fa derived technology.
I said it was "developed to be capable of defeating it." An example of some of the modifications made to the design in light of such threats are the radar jammer in the tail fin.
Bro the frontline aircraft of the PAF is the F16 and going forward, the J10B. The JF17 was intended to replace the PAF's aging fleet of F-7's, Mirages and A-5's. Similarly the frontline aircraft for the IAF is the MKI. Capability will only be judged on the battlefield, where anything is possible, both ways.
Additionally can we discuss this once the JF17 has evolved? Around 2014-15 when Blk 3 will be ready assuming there is no delay.
I think this can be easily explained: you know very little to nothing about the JF-17. You are blinded to the facts by national pride, whereas I'm insisting they should be taken into account.
Well, not much is known about the JF17's final configuration by anyone. There have been claims and counter claims about engines, radar, avionics, weapons, etc. Lets take a call once an order has been placed. The aircraft available with the PAF now is 8 in number in its basic form with a Chinese radar and avionics.
Here you go:
The JF-17 Thunder: A hefty punch at an affordable price.
The JF-17 Thunder: A hefty punch at an affordable price
Usman Ansari gives a project update on the Sino-Pakistani JF-17, which will be entering full production next year.
An edited version of the above article appeared in Vol:8 No.4 of Combat Aircraft
A link to the publisher's website:
Combat Aircraft Magazine | Back Issues | Volume 8
Thunder Storm - Usman Ansari details the JF-17 'Thunder' fighter developed jointly by China and Pakistan, as it enters service with the Pakistan AF
Interesting article. The title is self explanatory. It says "A hefty punch at an affordable price." The hefty punch is in relativity to the price and not to the MKI. Don't get me wrong, the article itself is informative.
No you haven't because none of your points counter the following:
The JF-17 has tactical data-links to interface with other platforms such as AWACS aircraft, so it would always be aware of an opposing aircraft's position. The radar warning receiver systems would also help here. It has BVR AAMs and a radar with around 100 km range against even fairly small targets - which the mki isn't. For close range combat it will have 5th generation short range missiles with TVC and infra-red imaging seekers, capable of manoeuvring at around 50g, which the mki can't. These missiles will be slaved to a helmet-mounted sights/display system, and the mki is not invisible so JF-17 pilots can see it and designate it for their missiles. It has a missile approach warning system which is integrated with not only UV/IR sensors giving 360 degree coverage, but also the radar warning receiver and electronic warfare systems (radar jammer housed in the rectangular fairing at the tip of the vertical tail fin). The mki's missiles are also not invisible to UV/IR sensors, unless they don't have rocket motors. According to a Chinese article, the onboard radar jammer is capable of focusing all its jamming power in any direction. There are sources for all of this.
1)The MKI also has a datalink to AWACS and can additionally be used as a Mini-AWACS as well due to its powerful NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) radar. It also has a RWR and additionally the OLS-30, a combined FLIR/IRST/LR system.
2) The JF17 is currently fitted with the Chinese KLJ-7 radar. The radar can reportedly manage up to 40 targets,
monitor up to 10 of them in track-while-scan (TWS) mode and
simultaneously fire on two BVR targets. The detection range for targets with a radar cross-section of
5 square meters is stated to be
≥105 km (≥85 km in look-down mode).
In comparison the SU30 MKI has the NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) radar. N011M has a 350 km search range and a
maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. In the air to air mode the N011M Bars offers a true look down, shoot down capability with a detection range of
140 km against a target with a Radar cross section (RCS) of
2 m2. Up to
15 air targets can be tracked at once in track-while-scan mode with 4 of these engaged at once.
3) As for all the other stated facts, the answers are given in the links provided. Regards avionics, speed, weapons load, T/W ratio, etc, the SU30 MKI either matches or exceeds those of the JF17.
See bro. In no way am I saying that PAF is stupid and the JF17 is crap. The PAF is working under immense Geo-Political and Budgetary constraints and are doing the best they can in their circumstances. The PAF's doctrine is not offensive but is to deny the IAF air superiority in the event of a conflict. Also a country with a defense budget 25% of the other will not be able to match it conventionally, hence the nuclear button.
Anyways I think these Vs threads are useless cause in a conflict there are always too many external factors in play. Hope you take my post in good spirit.
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