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Su-30MKI & JF-17 Air Fight

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if we look at in reality JF 17 never stands a chance against SU 30 but it doesent mean that JF 17 can never have a kill over SU 30 with the help of ALMIGHTY ALLAH we have showed IAF before how our old jets killed new IAF jets but fact remains the fact SU 30 is more capable jet than JF 17

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man are u serious.....new jets of IAF.
in both war of 65 n 71 PAF had superiority over IAF.although IAF got birds in huge quantity but they were not more then crap as compared to PAF.and yes it was done by the grace of ALLAH.
yes su30mki is far more superior then thunder but both never put into any war and hence no result.just have to wait n c:coffee:
 
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Instead of saying things like "MKI will kill JF-17" or "JF-17 CAN kill MKI" or "With the grace of god JF-17 will be able to shoot down MKI" people should write down possible scenarios or situations where this is actually possible.


As far as my opinion is concerned, it is impossible for JF-17 to take down an MKI in aerial combat, 1 vs 1.

We can design a scenario where a formation of JF-17's and F-16's faces a formation of MKI's and LCA/Mig-29/Mirage/Bison
 
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man are u serious.....new jets of IAF.
in both war of 65 n 71 PAF had superiority over IAF.although IAF got birds in huge quantity but they were not more then crap as compared to PAF.and yes it was done by the grace of ALLAH.
yes su30mki is far more superior then thunder but both never put into any war and hence no result.just have to wait n c:coffee:


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Unable to deter India's activities in the eastern sector, on December 3, 1971, Pakistan launched an air attack in the western sector on a number of Indian airfields, including Ambala in Haryana, Amritsar in Punjab, and Udhampur in Jammu and Kashmir. The attacks did not succeed in inflicting substantial damage. The Indian air force retaliated the next day and quickly achieved air superiority. On the ground, the strategy in the eastern sector marked a significant departure from previous Indian battle plans and tactics, which had emphasized set-piece battles and slow advances. The strategy adopted was a swift, three-pronged assault of nine infantry divisions with attached armored units and close air support that rapidly converged on Dhaka, the capital of East Pakistan. Lieutenant General Sagat Singh, who commanded the eighth, twenty-third, and fifty-seventh divisions, led the Indian thrust into East Pakistan. As these forces attacked Pakistani formations, the Indian air force rapidly destroyed the small air contingent in East Pakistan and put the Dhaka airfield out of commission. In the meantime, the Indian navy effectively blockaded East Pakistan. Dhaka fell to combined Indian and Mukti Bahini forces on December 16, bringing a quick end to the war.

Though the Indian conduct of the land war on the western front was somewhat timid, the role of the Indian air force was both extensive and daring. During the fourteen-day war, the air force's Western Command conducted some 4,000 sorties. There was little retaliation by Pakistan's air force, partly because of the paucity of non-Bengali technical personnel. Additionally, this lack of retaliation reflected the deliberate decision of the Pakistan Air Force headquarters to conserve its forces because of heavy losses incurred in the early days of the war.


Source: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+in0189)


You call that Air Superiority ?
 
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DAMN - A 105 pages of JUNK on this thread - A JF-17 Vs an MKI

Hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaahaha <PAUSE>

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

How can the mods just let this thread be!

LOL this is funny! - JF-17 cant compete against Mig 29 K or as a matter of fact will be just comparable to the Tejas (or most likely far from it too) and here we have a thread on a plane killing the HEAVYWEIGHT SUPER FIGHTER!

GET REAL GUYS!

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Dude Avatar you have opened a pandora box...Why can i see this topic turning into 1947-1965-1971-Kargil war discussion...???
 
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Dude Avatar you have opened a pandora box...Why can i see this topic turning into 1947-1965-1971-Kargil war discussion...???

Because I cannot stand lies. :oops:

I'm sorry, just wanted to break a few misconceptions. :whistle:

This entire thread is meaningless as it is.
 
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Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force
An Excerpt from Yeager,
the Autobiography of General (Retd.) Chuck E. Yeager (USAF)

When we arrived in Pakistan in 1971, the political situation between the Pakistanis and Indians was really tense over Bangladesh, or East Pakistan, as it was known in those days, and Russia was backing India with tremendous amounts of new airplanes and tanks. The U.S. and China were
backing the Pakistanis. My job was military advisor to the Pakistani airforce, headed by Air Marshal Rahim Khan, who had been trained in Britain by the Royal Air Force, and was the first Pakistani pilot to exceed the speed of sound. He took me around to their different fighter groups and I met their pilots, who knew me and were really pleased that I was there.

They had about five hundred airplanes, more than half of them Sabres and 104 Starfighters, a few B-57 bombers, and about a hundred Chinese MiG-19s. They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. One of my first jobs there was to help them put U.S. Sidewinders on their Chinese MiGs, which were 1.6 Mach twin-engine airplanes that carried three thirty-millimeter canons. Our government furnished them with the rails for Sidewinders. They bought the missiles and all the checkout equipment that went with them, and it was one helluva interesting experience watching
their electricians wiring up American missiles on a Chinese MiG. I worked with their squadrons and helped them develop combat tactics. The Chinese MiG was one hundred percent Chinese-built and was made for only one hundred hours of flying before it had to be scrapped - a disposable fighter good for one hundred strikes. In fairness, it was an older
airplane in their inventory, and I guess they were just getting rid of them. They delivered spare parts, but it was a tough airplane to work on; the Pakistanis kept it flying for about 130 hours.

War broke out only a couple of months after we had arrived, in late November 1971, when India attacked East Pakistan. The battle lasted only three days before East Pakistan fell. India's intention was to annex East Pakistan and claim it for themselves. But the Pakistanis counter-attacked. Air Marshal Rahim Khan laid a strike on the four closest Indian air fields in the western part of India, and wiped out a lot of equipment. At that point, Indira Gandhi began moving her forces toward West Pakistan. China moved in a lot of equipment, while Russia backed the Indians all the way. So, it really became a kind of surrogate war - the Pakistanis, with U.S. training and equipment, versus the Indians, mostly Russian-trained, flying Soviet airplanes.
The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] ***** in the sky.
The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made
Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks on Pakistani soil, documented them by serial number, identified the components such as engines, rocket
pods, and new equipment on newer planes like the Soviet SU-7
fighter-bomber and the MiG-21 J, their latest supersonic fighter. The Pakistani army would cart off these items for me, and when the war ended, it took two big American Air Force cargo lifters to carry all those parts back to the States for analysis by our intelligence division. I didn't get involved in the actual combat because that would've been too touchy, but I did fly around and pick up shot-down Indian pilots and take them back to prisoner-of-war camps for questioning. I interviewed them about the equipment they had been flying and the tactics their Soviet advisers taught them to use. I wore a uniform or flying suit all the time, and it was amusing when those Indians saw my name tag and asked, "Are you the Yeager who broke the sound barrier?" They couldn't believe I was in Pakistan or understand what I was doing there. I told them, "I'm the
American Defense Rep here. That's what I'm doing."

India flew numerous raids against the Pakistani air fields with brand new SU-7 bombers being escorted in with MiG 21s. On one of those raids, they clobbered my small Beech Queen Air that had U.S. Army markings and a big American flag painted on the tail. I had it parked at the Islamabad
airport, and I remember sitting on my front porch on the second day of the war, thinking that maybe I ought to move that airplane down to the Iranian border, out of range of the Indian bombers, when the damned air-raid siren went off, and a couple of Indian jets came streaking in overhead. A moment later, I saw a column of black smoke rising from the air field. My Beech Queen was totaled. It was the Indian way of giving Uncle Sam the finger.

I stayed on in Pakistan for almost a year after the war ended, and it was one of the most enjoyable times of my life. From 1972 until we came home in March 1973, I spent most of my time flying in an F-86 Sabre with the Pakistani fighter outfits. I dearly loved the Sabre, almost as much as I enjoyed the P-51 Mustang from World War II days. It was a terrific airplane to fly and I took one to see K-2, the great mountain of Pakistan and the second highest mountain in the world, about an hour's flight away
[from Islamabad] at over 28,000 feet. It's a fabulous peak, as awesome and beautiful as any on earth, located in the middle of a high range that runs the length of the Chinese-Pakistani border. We actually crossed over into China to get there, and I've got some pictures of me in my cockpit right smack up against the summit. I made two or three trips up to K-2 - real highlights. I also did some bighorn sheep hunting in the Himalayan foothills. Susie owned a little Arabian mare. She took her horse when I went hunting and actually learned some of the Urdu language of the mountain people.


Military History: Chuck Yeager on Pakistan Air Force

Hey Avatar you just stepped in mud man, we all are gonna be slinging mud at each other now lol... good work
 
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Hey Avatar you just stepped in mud man, we all are gonna be slinging mud at each other now lol... good work

I asked you for a reliable source. When you do have one, make sure you highlight the important parts so I dont have to go through the whole article again.

The Americans were supporting you (at the time of writing) and the American pilot when he wrote this piece was obviously flattered by your hospitality. I gave you an official source, not a blog.
 
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Oh MODS please stop these people from destroying this thread! they are back to discusiing 65,71 and all! when clearly these topics have been discussed to death in the history section!!! clearly AVATAR hasn't read up on the history section of these points!
 
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