Su-30MKI & JF-17 Air Fight

[TaimiKhan]

Exactly the JF-17 is a very effective fighter for PAF and the right choice and with select upgrades will be even better but currently it is apples and oranges when comparing it to the MKI. I hope Pakistan doesn't take too long with selecting what it needs to upgrade the platform as we are getting closer to the fifth generation of aircraft that will be coming into many air forces.

Yeah, but even with 5th gen aircraft, air forces around the world will not discard their 4th gen or other aircraft for decades to come. 5th gen aircraft are expensive, similarly their maintenance would also be expensive. So what air forces around the world will do, induct few Sqds of stealth 5th gen aircraft, who will do the major destruction as they are stealth, first priority would be destruction of opposing forces air defences, once done, then even 4th gen aircraft can roam freely and do their job. So 4th gen aircraft are gonna be there for decades to come.

JF-17 is for now very capable in terms of PAF requirements, and it has still a future to come. Its radar has 120+KM range, capable to fire BVR missiles, PGMs, data linking facility with western platform even, for PAF its the best so far, better then PAF current F-16s, but less then Blk 52s. All it needs is one good 100kN or so engine, which will give it extra boost. Someone wants to degrade Chinese avionics, most welcome, but for PAF they aren't cheap avionics.

 

[Jigs]

Yeah, but even with 5th gen aircraft, air forces around the world will not discard their 4th gen or other aircraft for decades to come. 5th gen aircraft are expensive, similarly their maintenance would also be expensive. So what air forces around the world will do, induct few Sqds of stealth 5th gen aircraft, who will do the major destruction as they are stealth, first priority would be destruction of opposing forces air defences, once done, then even 4th gen aircraft can roam freely and do their job. So 4th gen aircraft are gonna be there for decades to come.

JF-17 is for now very capable in terms of PAF requirements, and it has still a future to come. Its radar has 120+KM range, capable to fire BVR missiles, PGMs, data linking facility with western platform even, for PAF its the best so far, better then PAF current F-16s, but less then Blk 52s. All it needs is one good 100kN or so engine, which will give it extra boost. Someone wants to degrade Chinese avionics, most welcome, but for PAF they aren't cheap avionics.

Yeah your right for 4th gen aircraft will still be in service as a workhorse for many of these air forces once they acquire 5 gen stuff. Turkey would be a good example of that. We will have around 240 F-16s most upgraded to block 50 level around the time the F-35s come in. So we will have more then double the number of F-16s to F-35s which will result in us most likely retiring all F-5s and F-4s and maybe some older airframes of F-16s but keeping the rest. Still though the first countries that get 5th gen aircraft will have a good advantage over ones with 4th gen which is what i was referring to when i said PAF should be fast about upgrading their JF-17s(which will be their workhorse) and acquiring a low number of advanced fighters. I guess Pakistan is already doing something like this though with the J-10s hopefully they turn out well and will be sufficient.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Yeah your right for 4th gen aircraft will still be in service as a workhorse for many of these air forces once they acquire 5 gen stuff. Turkey would be a good example of that. We will have around 240 F-16s most upgraded to block 50 level around the time the F-35s come in. So we will have more then double the number of F-16s to F-35s which will result in us most likely retiring all F-5s and F-4s and maybe some older airframes of F-16s but keeping the rest. Still though the first countries that get 5th gen aircraft will have a good advantage over ones with 4th gen which is what i was referring to when i said PAF should be fast about upgrading their JF-17s(which will be their workhorse) and acquiring a low number of advanced fighters. I guess Pakistan is already doing something like this though with the J-10s hopefully they turn out well and will be sufficient.

What can be seen or thought about PAf future is, 4 type of aircraft which will make PAF fighter inventory.

F-16s
JF-17s
FC-20s

& hopefully and probably Chinese 5th gen in the ranks, as we can;t get western 5th gen.

So these 4 types hopefully will make up PAFs inventory.

 

[TaimiKhan]

no comparison between su-30mki and jf-17. jh-17 is a cheap aircraft which made by china for pakistan. technology of jf-17 is much older than su-30mki.
su-30mki is made by russia for india. su-30mki is one of the modern aircraft of the world. specialist believes that su-30mki is better than f-16. so how can anyone compare su-30mki and jf-17.why not china accepting jh-17 even they made it bcoz they know the technology of jf-17. china have already much better aircraft that is su-30mkk. so please don't compare these two aircraft.

another genius on the form.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

no comparison between su-30mki and jf-17. jh-17 is a cheap aircraft which made by china for pakistan. technology of jf-17 is much older than su-30mki.
su-30mki is made by russia for india. su-30mki is one of the modern aircraft of the world. specialist believes that su-30mki is better than f-16. so how can anyone compare su-30mki and jf-17.why not china accepting jh-17 even they made it bcoz they know the technology of jf-17. china have already much better aircraft that is su-30mkk. so please don't compare these two aircraft.

There were no facts mentioned such as air speed, weapon capacity etc
Therefore, your post has nothing but junk in it.

 

[KS]

There were no facts mentioned such as air speed, weapon capacity etc
Therefore, your post has nothing but junk.

Do u even need Facts for this..?


air speed - 1.8 mach vs 2.35 mach
weapon capacity - 7 points vs 12 of Sukhoi.

these r the simple facts...power,weapon load,maneavourability .....pls tel one area which the Sukhoi is lacking nd Thunder has better..?


Dont take me wrongly..but even comparing a Su 30MKI with a Thunder doesnt do justice to the Flanker.

 

[SBD-3]

another genius on the form.

I think the main problem is, "Every one can post"

 

[KS]

I think the main problem is, "Every one can post"

Even though wat he said may be in a crude way...his content is true..
Even though a Thunder mayb a good fighter in its own way,
Su 30MKI vs JF 17 thunder = no fight

 

[SBD-3]

Do u even need Facts for this..?


air speed - 1.8 mach vs 2.35 mach
weapon capacity - 7 points vs 12 of Sukhoi.

these r the simple facts...power,weapon load,maneavourability .....pls tel one area which the Sukhoi is lacking nd Thunder has better..?


Dont take me wrongly..but even comparing a Su 30MKI with a Thunder doesnt do justice to the Flanker.

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Every sensible member here respect MKI ( I'm one of them)...We all know these facts boy...But comparing the characteristics on magnitude is not what a good member would do...I always say...in combat now....Dogfighting will soon become history...So in short it is about weapons package...If thunder is able to get a better Avionics and weapons pack then..it can defeat any other plane...A sword is worth nothing against a gun.....Taking this..PAF is now more concentrated on getting good weapons and Systems rather than design parameters which makes sense as you need a good missile to take out likes of MKI rather than a top noch plane...

 

[KS]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Every sensible member here respect MKI ( I'm one of them)...We all know these facts boy...But comparing the characteristics on magnitude is not what a good member would do...I always say...in combat now....Dogfighting will soon become history...So in short it is about weapons package...If thunder is able to get a better Avionics and weapons pack then..it can defeat any other plane...A sword is worth nothing against a gun.....Taking this..PAF is now more concentrated on getting good weapons and Systems rather than design parameters which makes sense as you need a good missile to take out likes of MKI rather than a top noch plane...

sighhhhhhhhhhhhh even i can say if MKI were to get this it can defeat the JSF,if it can get that it can defeat the raptor..

thats not hw u go by "boy"...if u make a comparison ,make with the things that the thunder has now with wat the MKI has now..not with which it will have after an upgrade deal that is yet to be signed.

nd if u dont want to compare on magnitude then u shouldn do any comparison at all before they have met each other in the air..

 

[notorious_eagle]

Even though wat he said may be in a crude way...his content is true..
Even though a Thunder mayb a good fighter in its own way,
Su 30MKI vs JF 17 thunder = no fight

Nodoubt, one on one it will be a suicide for JF17. But what about when you add the force multipliers ; thats exactly what they were bought for to make sure we negate MKI's biggest advantage, its radar. Let me make it clear for you as i have said this before a hundred times, JF17 and MKI will meet each other in combat but never on one. You always make your adversary fight by your rules, not his.

 

[KS]

Nodoubt, one on one it will be a suicide for JF17. But what about when you add the force multipliers ; thats exactly what they were bought for to make sure we negate MKI's biggest advantage, its radar. Let me make it clear for you as i have said this before a hundred times, JF17 and MKI will meet each other in combat but never on one. You always make your adversary fight by your rules, not his.

fine the Eriye finds the Flanker at a longer range and he will relay the info to the JF 17...But With wat will the JF 17 take out the MKI..? Jus detecting alone will not do the trick.
To launch nd sucesfully guide its missile it has to come near and wen it comes its game over for the thunder as MKI radar can guide its own missiles before coming into the range of the Thunder's radar..

 

[hataf]

Even though wat he said may be in a crude way...his content is true..
Even though a Thunder mayb a good fighter in its own way,
Su 30MKI vs JF 17 thunder = no fight

in 1965
before war
people says
gant vs saber = no fight


after war
people were forced to say
saber vs gant = no fight

 

[KS]

in 1965
before war
people says
gant vs saber = no fight


after war
people were forced to say
saber vs gant = no fight

ur analogy is completely off the point...
in those days radars,avionics,thrust vectoring,missiles didn play as much a part as they play today.
the main armament in those days were guns,rockets so the only way to fight was to dogfight and in that technology was not that important as maneovarability..

so pls think before making comparisons. cheers

 

[duhastmish]

in 1965
before war
people says
gant vs saber = no fight


after war
people were forced to say
saber vs gant = no fight

absolutly right that's why GNAT was given the name of - sabre slayer
after 1965.
as they shot down seven sabre - if ti was not for f-108 they would have not got that gnat down.