Stealth frigate INS Sahyadri enters Da Nang port in Vietnam

[kaykay]

Yes that's underpowered for a 6200 T displacement ship

For that tonnage there should have been some 48 or 64 baraks.. Same goes for the destroyer.
for 8000 tonne ship you gotta have some 96 or 72 Barak-1/8s

Thats 24 Barak1 + 24 Shtil-1 = 56 SAMs.
Its quite good...

typo: 32 Barak1

 

[Providence]

You sure...this costs 65 million usd only

wiki says 350 millions a pop

 

[45'22']

wiki says 350 millions a pop

It should be around 350 million USD

65 million USD will be dirt cheap for a frigate of this level

 

[Beast]

Yes that's underpowered for a 6200 T displacement ship

For that tonnage there should have been some 48 or 64 baraks.. Same goes for the destroyer.
for 8000 tonne ship you gotta have some 96 or 72 Barak-1/8s

Precisely, the barak-1 missile are just point blank air defence missile(10km), not fleet aerial defence missile. The shtil slanted launcher are obsolete system becos it cannot rapid multi engage aerial threats as it need to reposition and loaded before firing another missile. What's worst is , if the slanted launcher is jammed, its end of the story. VLS, even one cell is jammed another takes over and fired.

 

[Archie]

Yes that's underpowered for a 6200 T displacement ship

For that tonnage there should have been some 48 or 64 baraks.. Same goes for the destroyer.
for 8000 tonne ship you gotta have some 96 or 72 Barak-1/8s

Barak 1 is a short range Sam
Shtil is a medium range Sam
Barak 8 is a long range Sam

Shivalik class frigate have 32 Barak 1 and 24 Shtil SAMs ,that's 56 in total
Which is far more than what Frigates normally carry
Kolkata class carry 64 SAMs , 16 Brahmos Anti ship missiles and in future 8 Nirbhay Nuclear capable Land attack cruise missiles

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Precisely, the barak-1 missile are just point blank air defence missile(10km), not fleet aerial defence missile. The shtil slanted launcher are obsolete system becos it cannot rapid multi engage aerial threats as it need to reposition and loaded before firing another missile. What's worst is , if the slanted launcher is jammed, its end of the story. VLS, even one cell is jammed another takes over and fired.

What is the loadout of Chinese frigates?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Hail MODI

Modi doesn't really deserve to be mentioned here, what has he done? Was he captaining the frigate himself?

Yes, you are most probably right. The Pakistani Navy surface fleet has no destroyers and mostly old frigates, few are newer.

The majority of their fleets around 20-30 years old, their "newer" ships are second hand relics and their newest ships are very few in number and that too underwhelming where performance is concerned.

 

[45'22']

Precisely, the barak-1 missile are just point blank air defence missile(10km), not fleet aerial defence missile. The shtil slanted launcher are obsolete system becos it cannot rapid multi engage aerial threats as it need to reposition and loaded before firing another missile. What's worst is , if the slanted launcher is jammed, its end of the story. VLS, even one cell is jammed another takes over and fired.

Why does a frigate needs to employ fleet air defence?
32 vl barak 1s,24 medium range shtils and 2 ciws are enuff to protect it i guess

 

[Beast]

What is the loadout of Chinese frigates?

32 VLS HQ-16 missile(50km-76km). The VLS system can handle mutiple load of missile depend on requirement.

Type054A firing HQ-16 SAM

or
loaded with ASROC

Picture comfirmed by janes defence

Noticed the tip of the missile is flat. Meaning most likely a ASROC. Anti-submarine rocket that will triumphed traditional ship launched short range torpedo for anti submarine.

I expect PLAN to configure Type054A to be 24 HQ-16 and 8 ASROC for a typical mission.

IN VLS system is foreign imported and the system is inflexible. It cannot handle different type of weapon payload. Barak VLS can only fire air defence missile and no others. While the one on CHinese frigate can handle many different type of missile. Making it very flexible and lethal. Just like MK 41 VLS.

Why does a frigate needs to employ fleet air defence?
32 vl barak 1s,24 medium range shtils and 2 ciws are enuff to protect it i guess

Why do you think there is no need? Do IN warship sailed out alone for a mission?

 

[Abingdonboy]

wiki says 350 millions a pop

It should be around 350 million USD

65 million USD will be dirt cheap for a frigate of this level

It's closer to double that (around $600 million- if not more). The P-17As will be coming in at closer to $800mn apiece.

Precisely, the barak-1 missile are just point blank air defence missile(10km), not fleet aerial defence missile. The shtil slanted launcher are obsolete system becos it cannot rapid multi engage aerial threats as it need to reposition and loaded before firing another missile. What's worst is , if the slanted launcher is jammed, its end of the story. VLS, even one cell is jammed another takes over and fired.

Indeed, it is a sub-optimal load out as of now but she (and her fellow P-17s) are due in for their first MLUs in a few years and there they will be fitted with the BARAK-2 in VLS cells that address all of the outlined issues. Additionally the 7 follow-on P-17As will have none of the aforementioned drawbacks and will have enhanced sensors.

 

[kaykay]

Precisely, the barak-1 missile are just point blank air defence missile(10km), not fleet aerial defence missile. The shtil slanted launcher are obsolete system becos it cannot rapid multi engage aerial threats as it need to reposition and loaded before firing another missile. What's worst is , if the slanted launcher is jammed, its end of the story. VLS, even one cell is jammed another takes over and fired.

Your HQ-16 was copied from Shtil and Shivalik uses an advance version of Shtil. Ofcourse its not as capable as Barak-8 but then its good enough for a frigate.

 

[45'22']

32 VLS HQ-16 missile(50km-76km). The VLS system can handle mutiple load of missile depend on requirement.

Type054A firing HQ-16 SAM
View attachment 261954

or
loaded with ASROC

Picture comfirmed by janes defence

View attachment 261955

Noticed the tip of the missile is flat. Meaning most likely a ASROC. Anti-submarine rocket that will triumphed traditional ship launched short range torpedo for anti submarine.

I expect PLAN to configure Type054A to be 24 HQ-16 and 8 ASROC for a typical mission.

IN VLS system is foreign imported and the system is inflexible. It cannot handle different type of weapon payload. Barak VLS can only fire air defence missile and no others. While the one on CHinese frigate can handle many different type of missile. Making it very flexible and lethal. Just like MK 41 VLS.



Why do you think there is no need? Do IN warship sailed out alone for a mission?

No i didnt meant.that....
I was trying to say that shivalik class frigates wont be moving with the Indian CBG ...and it has sufficient protection for itself....

And lr sams will be retrofitted in mlu

 

[Beast]

Your HQ-16 was copied from Shtil and Shivalik uses an advance version of Shtil. Ofcourse its not as capable as Barak-8 but then its good enough for a frigate.

THat is a typical nonsense from you. Does copy means it will be inferior? In fact, HQ-16 has been upgraded by Chinese superior sensor compared to Shtil missile. Can Russian VLS or Israel VLS fired SAM and ASROC using the same VLS cell? No,but the one by CHinese onboard are unique and superior and can fired both.

 

[kaykay]

THat is a typical nonsense from you. Does copy means it will be inferior? In fact, HQ-16 has been upgraded by Chinese superior sensor compared to Shtil missile. Can Russian VLS or Israel VLS fired SAM and ASROC using the same VLS cell? No,but the one by CHinese onboard are unique and superior and can fired both.

Well its not me calling anything inferior but rather you. So 'nonsense' part suits best for your posts. I only said Shivalik uses an advance version of Shtil-1. Thats it.

 

[Beast]

Well its not me calling anything inferior but rather you. So 'nonsense' part suits best for your posts. I only said Shivalik uses an advance version of Shtil-1. Thats it.

By claiming another as copy and then then make unknown claimed of the IN shtil with advanced version is not a washed down of others then is what?

HQ-16 is not direct copy of shtil. We have stop importing any Russian missile long ago. All Chinese missile is domestically produced. Not becos it's cheaper to make domestically but simply the imported one cannot meet our requirement and sophistication.

If our HQ-16 is just simply a 1:1 copy of russian shtil, how can it be fitted into the new multi load Chinese VLS onboard type054A frigate? Has Russian demonstrated a multi payload VLS? No.