Stealth Denied: Iran Can't Build an F-22 or F-35 (At Least Not Yet)

[mohsen]

Yup, butthurt.

 

[Mithridates]

Iran claimed the little Qaher could somehow carry two two-thousand-pound bombs and six air-to-air missiles—but the airframe simply did not have enough space to carry them all.

not iranian media. if i recall correctly it was their media.

It has refurbished the rusting hulks of old F-5 Freedom Fighters into twin-vertical stabilizer Saeqeh fighters, reverse-engineered their J85 turbojet engines, and created a variety of viable capable drones.

if it was only refurbishing then why northrop sued us for reverse engineering f-5 (azarakhsh)??

The Cockpit Was Too Small to Fit an Average-Height Human Being

Unless that person was a dwarf

Nozzles help a jet not melt itself when engaging afterburners. Furthermore, the jet intakes seem too small as well.

The new jet now has a cockpit that can fit a full-sized pilot, two turbojet engines with exhaust nozzles so as not to melt itself

so what's the point of author?? he is trying to prove that he is a dickhead???

more convincing fake subsonic stealth fighter called the Shafaq—revealed in 2014 to be a mock-up made of wood

yeah ok so why you were so afraid of it and pushed russia to leave the project?? also shafaq had two rd-33 engines and it was supersonic.

Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing and refugee resettlement in France and the United States.

well sebastien, dude eat shit and don't talk about what you have zero notion.
these people and so called specialists are the same people who talled su-57 has RCS of 0.01 sq m or j-20 RCS is 0.1

 

[raptor22]

Ofcourse. You guys are no better than Indians. Parading around jets that cannot fly except that one is doing it on a truck, and the other is trying to get it on the truck

u know what can fly though and didn't have to be photoshopped onto a background like in ur pic?

https://i.redd.it/a0exvjyh4wx11.jpg

Edit: look at dem wings vaping

Are you sure they could only fly on on a truck & it's just photoshoped?

& on remote controls :

Flight Lab: Inside the Model Plane Shop Where NASA Flies the Future

You may think the phrase "Every big idea has to start small" is just a saying. NASA takes it literally. Engineers can’t just build a revolutionary plane and stick a pilot in it, much as they might want to. So in the 1950s, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration started up a model shop, formally dubbed the Subscale Flight Research Lab.

In a competition for coolest job in the world, this group of talented craftspeople rank pretty high. Even NASA test pilots—the folks flying real planes—stop by the lab to cast envious glimpses of the projects they work on.
The model builders construct a vast range of planes, gliders, and drones, some small enough to fit in your hand, others spreading 20 feet in wingspan. They take the remote controlled aircraft out onto the dry lakebed at NASA Armstrong, in California, and put them through some extreme tests. Sometimes they survive, and often end up pinned to the walls of the lab. Sometimes they don’t.

Everything the engineers learn leads directly into the next generation of air and spacecraft. It was models built by the lab that finally convinced NASA officials that a 'lifting body', wingless aircraft could safely fly. Then they built the Space Shuttle.

In the video above, lab chief Red Jensen gives us a look at what they’re currently up to, from testing backup systems for planes whose pilots lose consciousness, to the futuristic wing shapes that could enable flight on Mars.

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So please stop "And exactly testing a mini version for what? Just stick it in a wind tunnel and bam." or truck crap for yourself.

 

[TheImmortal]

I think realistically Iran will first need to boost Air Force through foreign acquisition THEN move to domestic production.

Expecting Iran to build a great fighter when all it has to reverse engineer from is a bunch of 1970’s fighters is not possible, it needs to see and learn from new generation fighters.

Some options are:

*Full TOT of Chinese version of F-16 with FULL TOT of engine tech (4+ gen fighter)
*Order for J-31 (Chinese F-35) with Partial ToT exchanged
*TOT with Turkey as Turkey has started its own 5th gen fighter project to compliment F-35 and soon will have access to F-35 if US doesn’t cancel deal
*Russian order of SU-30 with limited TOT

I think realistically China will be the most able to provide 4th gen TOT. They will also likely be willing to cut a deal on J-31 as it will have limited foreign buyers around the world due to US dominance of global fighter jet market.

Russia will likely play hard ball and may end up offering TOT but not on the fighter Iran wants (SU-30/SU-35).

 

[Hack-Hook]

However, it's aerodynamic structure is so bad that it actually was unstable, very unstable, and required constant automatic management by a computer system and software. To know how more bad, despite being a sweptback design with twin engine and only the size of perhaps a falcon tomcat, the jet's speed was only 0.8 mach at high altitude even, yes... It couldn't break the sound barrier.

are you aware the jet was using a non after-burning engine that produced around half the power of an F-15 (without afterburner)?
a better comparison the airplane was the size of F-15 but used the Engine of F-18 without the afterburner now a question for you , Does F-18 or F-15 break the sound barrier without Afterburner ?

F4 Phantom looks okay

only if you knew, its stable but its terrible from Aerodynamic point of view. the "Triumph of trust over Aerodynamics" was not designed to intercept fighters , when they designed it they had only one thing in mind , intercept USSR nuclear Bombers over Pacific before they reach USA or US Navy.

 

[drmeson]

Simorgh and Saegheh UCAVS are low RCS. We need to put FnF IR seeking A2A missiles on them. They will compliment our interceptor force.

 

[Lincoln]

Are you sure they could only fly on on a truck & it's just photoshoped?

& on remote controls :

Flight Lab: Inside the Model Plane Shop Where NASA Flies the Future

You may think the phrase "Every big idea has to start small" is just a saying. NASA takes it literally. Engineers can’t just build a revolutionary plane and stick a pilot in it, much as they might want to. So in the 1950s, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration started up a model shop, formally dubbed the Subscale Flight Research Lab.

In a competition for coolest job in the world, this group of talented craftspeople rank pretty high. Even NASA test pilots—the folks flying real planes—stop by the lab to cast envious glimpses of the projects they work on.
The model builders construct a vast range of planes, gliders, and drones, some small enough to fit in your hand, others spreading 20 feet in wingspan. They take the remote controlled aircraft out onto the dry lakebed at NASA Armstrong, in California, and put them through some extreme tests. Sometimes they survive, and often end up pinned to the walls of the lab. Sometimes they don’t.

Everything the engineers learn leads directly into the next generation of air and spacecraft. It was models built by the lab that finally convinced NASA officials that a 'lifting body', wingless aircraft could safely fly. Then they built the Space Shuttle.

In the video above, lab chief Red Jensen gives us a look at what they’re currently up to, from testing backup systems for planes whose pilots lose consciousness, to the futuristic wing shapes that could enable flight on Mars.

​

So please stop "And exactly testing a mini version for what? Just stick it in a wind tunnel and bam." or truck crap for yourself.

I retract that part.

 

[OldTwilight]

where is yr solaimani? he was supposed to attack us along with joint indian israeli attack on Pakistan on 27 feb. i wonder what happened and why he chickened out

Well , Pakistan fulfill what we asked them to do , so there is no need to make any hard stand .... and as any sane people know making Threat is the last resolve before doing anything ....

Suleimani threaten Pakistan and now after decades Pakistan agreed to manage her border with Iran .... so in my eyes , his threat was pretty successful ...


Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:23
Gen. Soleimani Cautions Pakistan to Stop Terrorists along Borders with Iran
http://fna.ir/brx2q7

"We have always offered Pakistan help in the region, but I have this question from the Pakistani government: where are you heading to? You have caused unrest along borders with all your neighbors and do you have any other neighbor left that you want to stir insecurity for," General Soleimani said on Thursday, addressing a ceremony in the Northern Iranian city of Babol in Mazandaran province.​

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two days later this news come out ....
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February 23, 2019 19:52
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistan-to-fence-950km-of-border-with-iran-1.62257071

Islamabad: In order to de-escalate tensions with its neighbour in the west, Prime Minister Imran Khan’s administration plans to fence 950km of the border linking Pakistan’s Balochistan province with Iran’s Sistan and Baluchestan province.
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I really didn't want to make this kind of post but you asked for it ...

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Well , Pakistan fulfill what we asked them to do , so there is no need to make any hard stand .... and as any sane people know making Threat is the last resolve before doing anything ....

Suleimani threaten Pakistan and now after decades Pakistan agreed to manage her border with Iran .... so in my eyes , his threat was pretty successful ...


Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:23
Gen. Soleimani Cautions Pakistan to Stop Terrorists along Borders with Iran
http://fna.ir/brx2q7

"We have always offered Pakistan help in the region, but I have this question from the Pakistani government: where are you heading to? You have caused unrest along borders with all your neighbors and do you have any other neighbor left that you want to stir insecurity for," General Soleimani said on Thursday, addressing a ceremony in the Northern Iranian city of Babol in Mazandaran province.​

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two days later this news come out ....
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February 23, 2019 19:52
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistan-to-fence-950km-of-border-with-iran-1.62257071

Islamabad: In order to de-escalate tensions with its neighbour in the west, Prime Minister Imran Khan’s administration plans to fence 950km of the border linking Pakistan’s Balochistan province with Iran’s Sistan and Baluchestan province.
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I really didn't want to make this kind of post but you asked for it ...

is what yr excuse? Pakistan was already fencing that border for years whats new in this report??

Then why our Railway Minister toured Iran just days after 27 feb on 2-3 march and met with Khomeini and Rouhani and WARNED them that IF WE CAN DO THIS WITH YR SUGAR DADDY THEN JUST IMAGINE WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO WITH YOU. As it was u who was supposed to attack on at 27 feb night right after the indian revenge Ballistic Missile attack on Pakistan with Israeli help.

U were supposed to attack us through Chabahar area werent u thats why u have put yr aircrafts in Chabahar on feb 24/25

My Question is; WHY YR COUNTRY CHICKENED OUT ON 27 FEB NIGHT WHEN U WERE FULLY PREPARED TO ATTACK??

Why so sudden change of heart Mr Maj. Gen. Soleimani?

Sunshine! u only bark cant bite, while WE, we straight away BITE just like these same JF17s shot down yr UAV in 2016 drawing their first Blood!

Oh BTW pay my regards to yr ISI trained Major General Soleimani, yr still kids infront of us just like u were in 80s infront of yr instructor in our Academies.

 

[SOHEIL]

Their state controlled media most definitely implied that it is not a RC model for testing.

And exactly testing a mini version for what? Just stick it in a wind tunnel and bam.

Just cheap propaganda attempt by Iran, nothing more.

Really?

1. I think you don't know what implication means. Let me inform you. Implication means something they meant to get through to the masses through careful editing, without directly saying it.

2. There is no point in testing a small RC model except for how well it fairs in aerodynamics and flight, and since dimensions along with other force factors including material composition change, its not a great way and would involve more calculations; you can use wind tunnels instead and make your job much easier so this obviously was a public stunt.

3. Oh, trust me. That thing won't enter service ever. That design is straight up bad from an aerodynamic and stealth point of view, it will neither go fast nor be able to dominate any aerial maneuver against others with those wings.

That cockpit frame and frontal design is the very definition of everything gone wrong in stealth designing of a jet.

The design of the jet's frontal and main wings don't align at all with the jet's back and vertical stabilizers.

It is horrible in fact. That thing is purely meant to look mean and is for propaganda.

You look so brave ... And seems you don't give a single shit about the future events !

You look so brave ... And seems you don't give a single shit about the future events !

Brave means stupid here !

 

[coffee_cup]

1. I think you don't know what implication means. Let me inform you. Implication means something they meant to get through to the masses through careful editing, without directly saying it.

2. There is no point in testing a small RC model except for how well it fairs in aerodynamics and flight, and since dimensions along with other force factors including material composition change, its not a great way and would involve more calculations; you can use wind tunnels instead and make your job much easier so this obviously was a public stunt.

3. Oh, trust me. That thing won't enter service ever. That design is straight up bad from an aerodynamic and stealth point of view, it will neither go fast nor be able to dominate any aerial maneuver against others with those wings.

That cockpit frame and frontal design is the very definition of everything gone wrong in stealth designing of a jet.

The design of the jet's frontal and main wings don't align at all with the jet's back and vertical stabilizers.

It is horrible in fact. That thing is purely meant to look mean and is for propaganda.

Bro, you are wasting your time with the brain dead zombie. He is famous for spreading mullah propaganda and starts insulting anyone who would ask a logical question. So it would be better to ignore this troll.

Your replies for the past, what? 10 posts? can be summarized as follows:-

"You know nothing. You don't have any clue. Stop replying. Meaningless!"

Yes, only mullah regime has clues

 

[Khafee]

@_Sherdils_ @Alternatiiv @BATMAN @Tps43 @coffee_cup
@Umair Nawaz @The SC @crankthatskunk @Signalian

Some more interesting reading:

Whatever Happened to Iran's Qaher F-313 'Stealth' Fighter?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/whatever-happened-irans-qaher-f-313-stealth-fighter-27277

Can Iran's Stealth Fighter Actually Fly?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/can-irans-stealth-fighter-actually-fly-27947

 

[Tps43]

@_Sherdils_ @Alternatiiv @BATMAN @Tps43 @coffee_cup
@Umair Nawaz @The SC @crankthatskunk @Signalian

Some more interesting reading:

Whatever Happened to Iran's Qaher F-313 'Stealth' Fighter?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/whatever-happened-irans-qaher-f-313-stealth-fighter-27277

Can Iran's Stealth Fighter Actually Fly?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/can-irans-stealth-fighter-actually-fly-27947

First they need to build something which have no F 5 fuselage lool

 

[coffee_cup]

@_Sherdils_ @Alternatiiv @BATMAN @Tps43 @coffee_cup
@Umair Nawaz @The SC @crankthatskunk @Signalian

Some more interesting reading:

Whatever Happened to Iran's Qaher F-313 'Stealth' Fighter?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/whatever-happened-irans-qaher-f-313-stealth-fighter-27277

Can Iran's Stealth Fighter Actually Fly?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/can-irans-stealth-fighter-actually-fly-27947

From the article a genuine question:

"So where is the Qaher F-313? It was spotted only once after its initial debut in November 2013 being prepped for taxi tests—but it has never been seen again. It’s likely the unimpressive mockup is sitting in the warehouse somewhere in Iran, or has been recycled for some other theatrical production."

May be they have taken the term "Stealth" so literally, that the plane has completely disappeared,

This is the real punch line and summarizes everything for me:

The real mystery is—as it was then—how Iran’s leaders might assume that they could present such a farce before the eyes of the world and not invite anything other than mockery.

 

[WinterNights]

It's just a matter of time before Qaher flies, once it does, these trolls will end up hiding in a hole nowhere to be found

@_Sherdils_ @Alternatiiv @BATMAN @Tps43 @coffee_cup
@Umair Nawaz @The SC @crankthatskunk @Signalian

Some more interesting reading:

Whatever Happened to Iran's Qaher F-313 'Stealth' Fighter?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/whatever-happened-irans-qaher-f-313-stealth-fighter-27277

Can Iran's Stealth Fighter Actually Fly?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/can-irans-stealth-fighter-actually-fly-27947

"nationalinterests" that's almost as credible as your came jockey news agency.