Separatist Insurgencies in India - News and Discussions.

[Iggy]

I care my foot if she gets an international audience.
Let she live with them and entertain her audience as after her citizenship is stripped she cannot remain India and who cares where she goes..?
It will also send a strong message and set a strong example to those lime-light seeking Human rights activists.
This is a war where propaganda plays a very important part and we cannot afford negative publicity from these scoundrels.

Well you dont care about it but Indian government does..arresting of this women will attracts lots of media attention and also all the things we were doing will be a human right violations for international agencies..its the least thing we wanted now..let her talk what she wanted, most of it were utter nonsense .. stripping her and arresting her will increase only her image and people will start to belive what she is saying..this will only result in what you are fearing now,negative publicity ..

 

[Iggy]

WHAT THE **** ISZ HAPPENING WHY THE HECK CRPF IS DROPPING LIKE FLIES I JUST DONT GET IT

Relax mate..take a look at the places where the incedents happened..its all maoists influvenced areas..CRPF is fighting them on their turf..there will be casualties in these kind of operations..hope the govt will not stop the operations..I think operation green hunt is in right track..maoists are scared now..they wanted a cease fire now..thats why they increased attack on innocent civilians and CRPF personals..crushing naxals is no cake walk..but i am most sure that we can achive it ..

 

[Iggy]

Mate y blaming those brave CRPF jawans who r there fighting inspite of miserable equipment.shabby facilities and peanut salaries??
Blame those stupid,opportunistic politicians who r playing with the lives of those brave souls.
Blame those hypocritic,out of the world,left intellectual pests who jump at the CRPF throats every now and then, defending those Maoists.
Blame it on U and ME who dont give a shyt if those poor souls are lost in the jungles.

Solution:
1.Bring in the Armed Helis,shoot the shyt out of these pests
2.Bring in the AFSPA(Armed forces special powers act) into Jharkhand,Chattisgarh,orissa,West bengal so that the CRPF is given complete operational freedom and is not unnecesarily harassed by these self-proclaimed human rights activists and Gandhians.

For now the actions of Naxals like killing civilians has lost a lot of support from the common people..bringing in armed helis and heavy weapons will lead to killings of innocent civilians too which will reult only in the protest and pressure for stopping the operations..it will indirectly help maoists only..

AFSPA is a inhuman act..we saw that its not working in manipur..literally if we implement that we are letting loose the CRPF to do what ever they want to achive the objectives..they will misuse it and try to rape the women and kill innocent peoples..Hope you didnt forget manipuri women protested naked infront of the parliament..do you want some thing like that??if we let loose CRPF on this areas and they started acting in inhuman way then its like we are helping naxals to win the war..both are not a good solution mate..

To me the best way is :

Recruit more tribals and locals as Special Police Officers (SPO) to fight against naxals.its already prooved to be a sucess..

Create awareness among the people..Kerala is one state that irradicate naxalism by creating awareness among the people and educate them..State can follow the that path.

Co-Ordiantion among the states in Naxal hunting..we see how CRPF from Orissa and Grey hounds from Andhra did joint operation resulted in the death of 10 maoists..

Create forces like grey huonds in every state..


But the most and important thing is that the willingness of the state to fight this menace...crusing of naxals in Andhra can be credited to the ruling of Late YSR too..its his sheer willingness that helped in crushing the maosism in Andhra..we need leader like that in states..

 

[genetic_nomad]

also i ve seen many ppl using IIRC.....its an abbreviation for.?

IIRC: If I Remember Correctly

 

[KS]

For now the actions of Naxals like killing civilians has lost a lot of support from the common people..bringing in armed helis and heavy weapons will lead to killings of innocent civilians too which will reult only in the protest and pressure for stopping the operations..it will indirectly help maoists only..

No its this fear of losing support that is massacring our jawans.
No time is right as now to bring in the armed helis.
Dont bring in them in the all blazing Rambo style...bring in a squadron first..then another gradually...that there is not much hype around it.

like i ve been saying armed heli's give the much needed moral boost to our CRPF jawans and induces a scare in the Maoists.That fear is invaluable in defeating them.

AFSPA is a inhuman act..we saw that its not working in manipur..literally if we implement that we are letting loose the CRPF to do what ever they want to achive the objectives..they will misuse it and try to rape the women and kill innocent peoples..Hope you didnt forget manipuri women protested naked infront of the parliament..do you want some thing like that??if we let loose CRPF on this areas and they started acting in inhuman way then its like we are helping naxals to win the war..both are not a good solution mate..

Well desperate times call for desperate measures.
U cant expect the CRPF to operate freely wen the know that the Sword of the Human Rights Activists always hangs on their head.
So they tend to be extra careful and in the process giving the all important edge to the naxals.
U need to give them some immunity from those pests.

If we r so concerned introduce a special watered dowm AFSPA with accountability to the govt and Army..but not to the Activists and NGOs.

To me the best way is :

Recruit more tribals and locals as Special Police Officers (SPO) to fight against naxals.its already prooved to be a sucess..

Create awareness among the people..Kerala is one state that irradicate naxalism by creating awareness among the people and educate them..State can follow the that path.

Co-Ordiantion among the states in Naxal hunting..we see how CRPF from Orissa and Grey hounds from Andhra did joint operation resulted in the death of 10 maoists..

Create forces like grey huonds in every state..


But the most and important thing is that the willingness of the state to fight this menace...crusing of naxals in Andhra can be credited to the ruling of Late YSR too..its his sheer willingness that helped in crushing the maosism in Andhra..we need leader like that in states..

Agreee. ...but laws have also be amended to make the operation easier.....u cant operate with doubts about ur future in mind.

 

[Dash]

Thanks for the article. I agree that better training always helps, but I guess I was talking about the larger issue here. What is the overall strategy? Engage with them? Bomb them? Escalate the offensive? Bring in regulars? Take action against people in mainstream society who support Maoists? What will the backlash be? Can someone like Arundhati Roy be thrown behind bars for supporting the Naxalites?

What is the official strategy to deal with the entire issue... it's not just about sending better trained recruits into Naxalite areas.

If we talk about actions then its still a debate.

However employing army or bomb them is not a feasible solution for the time being.

Every situation has to escalate to some stage where you have to take final action against it, just like the LTTE in Srilanka.

The most effective strategy and most farsighted strategy( most benificial) will be to start developement activities in these areas with the help of army or well equipped police forces.

The biggest threat to future lies in one thing, and the threat is evident. The naxalites were once in few states and now they are spread over 20 states, and its because?, More and more people joining. Reason?......no developement and this giving the 'IDIOT' leaders a CAUSE to inflate the situation.

I would suggest that.
1. The greater paramilitary police force needs to be established to fight internal situations like the SWAT or the national guard.

2. Equip them with UAVs, let them take data from military sats and stuff with better weapons, Mind it I say NOT with the primary reason to kill the maoists range BUT to support the developement activity in these zones.

3. Extensive survelleince bundled with 'Real time" intelligence, that can foil any attempt or plan to stop the modernization work there.

I know most people will agree here that these areas are in fact "under developed". I mean for 'GOD sake" wake up and address the issue.

4. Have a strong mind set to arrest the LEADERS of maoists, and arrest them all. like a dead line that in 2 years we will arrest and hang all of them.

if GOI doesnt act now, or act like engaging army then you are only contributing to one thing, manpower influx to a wrong reason.

5. A special law needs to be incorporated or an ammedment to current law. That "any political party if found supporting any anti INDIA cause will be banned and leaders will be sent to HELL" as we all know there are parties still playing vote bank politics with them....

Someone has to foresee this and its impact on future, and strategize, coz at the end of the day you are dealing with your own people, who you once ignored.....

 

[Dash]

Recruit more tribals and locals as Special Police Officers (SPO) to fight against naxals.its already prooved to be a sucess..

Seiko - I aggree with you most of the time but following statements didnt sound logical

Are we talking about Selva Judam?, and if its the same what you are referring to then its a failure.

I mean what are we looking at here, this appointing tribals as police officers will give another reason for mass killing by the maoists saying they police officers, forget informers?....

Create forces like grey huonds in every state..

It will not serve any purpose at all, reason?, you will again need to bring the word co-ordination here, something which doesnt work here as states are run by govt and govt has its own whims and fancies...so they will use their forces in the way they want, so the very reason for creating a force in every state is lost..

What we need here is a separate entity, like swat or somerthhing like that trained with jungle insurgency and supported by superior intelligence, a centralized force.

And DO NOT allow states to deal with it, its not a state matter any more, its national. You bring states in btn U can not bring this to end ever, period.

 

[Iggy]

No its this fear of losing support that is massacring our jawans.
No time is right as now to bring in the armed helis.
Dont bring in them in the all blazing Rambo style...bring in a squadron first..then another gradually...that there is not much hype around it.
like i ve been saying armed heli's give the much needed moral boost to our CRPF jawans and induces a scare in the Maoists.That fear is invaluable in defeating them.

Mate as i said causalities are natural for an operation like this..we cant expect a cake walk there..armed helis is not a solution bro..try to understand..killing of innocent civilians means support is shifting to naxals..Bringing the helis will help in killing some naxals fast but the root cause is still there..as far i think now the CRPF is doing a good job..let the police and CRPF handle it..no need to bring in heavy machinary for now

Well desperate times call for desperate measures.
U cant expect the CRPF to operate freely wen the know that the Sword of the Human Rights Activists always hangs on their head.
So they tend to be extra careful and in the process giving the all important edge to the naxals.
U need to give them some immunity from those pests.

If we r so concerned introduce a special watered dowm AFSPA with accountability to the govt and Army..but not to the Activists and NGOs.

Two wrong thngs doesnt make a right...what desperate things are you talking about??mate the war is not happening in major cities or a II tier cities that states..they are occuring in back ward and jungle areas...most of the news are over hyped..tell do you really think they have the capability of overthrowing the government in a single state forget the central government??do they have the capability to attack a city??the laws like ASFPA will only created hatred among the people..that why the army also wanted it to be changed..

 

[Iggy]

Seiko - I aggree with you most of the time but following statements didnt sound logical

Are we talking about Selva Judam?, and if its the same what you are referring to then its a failure.

I mean what are we looking at here, this appointing tribals as police officers will give another reason for mass killing by the maoists saying they police officers, forget informers?....

No we are not talking about Salwa Judam..we are recruiting and training tribal people and youth to safe guard the villages and also they know the places very well than CRPF so helping CRPF in maoists hunting..They are already in action and yes they are also targetted because of this

news.outlookindia.com | SPOs Risk Life to Save People From Naxals

It will not serve any purpose at all, reason?, you will again need to bring the word co-ordination here, something which doesnt work here as states are run by govt and govt has its own whims and fancies...so they will use their forces in the way they want, so the very reason for creating a force in every state is lost..

What we need here is a separate entity, like swat or somerthhing like that trained with jungle insurgency and supported by superior intelligence, a centralized force.

And DO NOT allow states to deal with it, its not a state matter any more, its national. You bring states in btn U can not bring this to end ever, period.

Bro Grey hounds are responsible for the crushing the back bone of naxals in Andhra..by creating grey hounds i mean exactly a entity like swat in every state..they are specialised in Jungle warfare..Even CRPF is creating its own greyhounds for anti naxal operation..actually many states are thinking about its own grey hound like forces already

Naxal-hit states to form Greyhound-like force - India - The Times of India

Naxal Terror Watch: CRPF to get its own Greyhounds

Central government is taking it as a law and order situation..thats why they are allowing states to do the anti naxal operation ..

 

[Dash]

Bro Grey hounds are responsible for the crushing the back bone of naxals in Andhra..by creating grey hounds i mean exactly a entity like swat in every state..they are specialised in Jungle warfare..Even CRPF is creating its own greyhounds for anti naxal operation..actually many states are thinking about its own grey hound like forces already

Naxal-hit states to form Greyhound-like force - India - The Times of India

Naxal Terror Watch: CRPF to get its own Greyhounds

Central government is taking it as a law and order situation..thats why they are allowing states to do the anti naxal operation ..

See, we are going to a micro level here, something like theatrical level where you fight maoists where these kind of initiatives will be useful.

But the question is how do you bring this to an end when the strayegy itself is flawed!!!. You may win maoists in one states but in other it will not. I am saying it has to be commanded by a single body to bring an end in all state at one time else you will be fighting it forever.
But what we are discussing here is the approach taken by the GOI to tackle this issue.

Central government is taking it as a law and order situation..thats why they are allowing states to do the anti naxal operation ..

First of all, its not a law and order situation here. Its simply much bigger than that, when 20 states in this country are affected by this manance...

I mean most of us will agree here that GOI is right by not terming these are terrosists like the jehadists, however its a completely new type of war which has been imposed on us, so a new law, a new body and a NEW strategy needs to come here.

and giving this task to states will NOT help. Coz we know Indian politics is even bitter in state level.

You cant say its law and order situation and fight this in bits and pieces in states when your Opponent is fighting it as wholy united and more over when the aim is to kill democracy and the govt itself

 

[KS]

Mate as i said causalities are natural for an operation like this..we cant expect a cake walk there..armed helis is not a solution bro..try to understand..killing of innocent civilians means support is shifting to naxals..Bringing the helis will help in killing some naxals fast but the root cause is still there..as far i think now the CRPF is doing a good job..let the police and CRPF handle it..no need to bring in heavy machinary for now

Seiks u kave to understand the purpose im for using armed Helis...They give a psychological edge to the CRPF and the Maoists should realise that they r fighting an enemy with infinite resources at its disposal.
They should think abt the futility of their efforts.
At present they think the Indian security forces are nothing but the CRPF jawans with their SLR s or INSAS...that has to change.

Two wrong thngs doesnt make a right...what desperate things are you talking about??mate the war is not happening in major cities or a II tier cities that states..they are occuring in back ward and jungle areas...most of the news are over hyped..tell do you really think they have the capability of overthrowing the government in a single state forget the central government??do they have the capability to attack a city??the laws like ASFPA will only created hatred among the people..that why the army also wanted it to be changed..

So ur advocating that we wait till the war comes to cities and towns.....this is the "chalta hai" approach that has brought us here to this situation and if we dont rectify it now...............
as regards AFSPA cmon there has to be some sortt of immunity to the jawans.Thts y i mentioned a watered down AFSPA.
Otherwise ...for example even if i was in that situation i d be xtra cautious to the extent of negligence.

 

[KS]

Well you dont care about it but Indian government does..arresting of this women will attracts lots of media attention and also all the things we were doing will be a human right violations for international agencies..its the least thing we wanted now..let her talk what she wanted, most of it were utter nonsense .. stripping her and arresting her will increase only her image and people will start to belive what she is saying..this will only result in what you are fearing now,negative publicity ..

hmmmm...points to ponder..........anyway my blood boils wen this hippie just blows her load everytime on TV slamming those brave CRPF jawans and supporting those Maoists as if they were saints.

 

[Iggy]

See, we are going to a micro level here, something like theatrical level where you fight maoists where these kind of initiatives will be useful.

But the question is how do you bring this to an end when the strayegy itself is flawed!!!. You may win maoists in one states but in other it will not. I am saying it has to be commanded by a single body to bring an end in all state at one time else you will be fighting it forever.
But what we are discussing here is the approach taken by the GOI to tackle this issue.

First of all, its not a law and order situation here. Its simply much bigger than that, when 20 states in this country are affected by this manance...

I mean most of us will agree here that GOI is right by not terming these are terrosists like the jehadists, however its a completely new type of war which has been imposed on us, so a new law, a new body and a NEW strategy needs to come here.

and giving this task to states will NOT help. Coz we know Indian politics is even bitter in state level.

You cant say its law and order situation and fight this in bits and pieces in states when your Opponent is fighting it as wholy united and more over when the aim is to kill democracy and the govt itself

Mate i understand what you are trying to say..But law and order look after by the state government ..Central government cannot start an operation like this with out taking the state governments in to confidence..note that most of the maoists affected states were ruled by opposisation..so you can understand what will be the effect of such a movement..for me the CRPF is doing a better job now..note that they are new to this kind of operation..let them do their job..with the induction of Cobras and getting training from grey hounds sooner or later the situation will reverse..no doubt about it..

 

[Iggy]

Seiks u kave to understand the purpose im for using armed Helis...They give a psychological edge to the CRPF and the Maoists should realise that they r fighting an enemy with infinite resources at its disposal.
They should think abt the futility of their efforts.
At present they think the Indian security forces are nothing but the CRPF jawans with their SLR s or INSAS...that has to change.

mate its not necessary to deploy helis to increase the confidence of soldiers..they only need better protection like bullet proof jackets,new survilance and communication equipments and better training..it will also give them better pycological edge to them over maoists..As for now bringing helicopter attack will do more harm than good..we dont need more people to become maoists mate..what the purpose of all these operations if more and more people become naxals??Naxals can only win if they have support among common citizens..if they dont get that support then victory will be ours..as for now we are having advantage over them..Helis will help us win the battle but we may loose the war..

So ur advocating that we wait till the war comes to cities and towns.....this is the "chalta hai" approach that has brought us here to this situation and if we dont rectify it now...............
as regards AFSPA cmon there has to be some sortt of immunity to the jawans.Thts y i mentioned a watered down AFSPA.
Otherwise ...for example even if i was in that situation i d be xtra cautious to the extent of negligence.

Mate try to understand what i am saying ..I am trying to tell you that now the war is limited to jungles and backward areas..laws like AFSPA will create hatred among people towards jawans in that area and more and more will join naxals due to this and will spread to cities also,..with out the rule Jawans are doing a good job ,yes casualities are happening but its expected as we are fighting on their terrain..we dont need such kind of barberic law giving immunity to soldiers for what ever things they do,,because bad apples are everywhere and one mans bad is going to affect the entire force

 

[Dash]

Mate i understand what you are trying to say..But law and order look after by the state government ..Central government cannot start an operation like this with out taking the state governments in to confidence..note that most of the maoists affected states were ruled by opposisation..so you can understand what will be the effect of such a movement..

Even I agree with this and this is themost hurting thing for this operation. Sometimes I feel that the people in state govt are doing this in collaboration with the Naxals to create a blockade in centre. Now the question needs to be asked that even if they do this they will hurt their image in the state itself, so, so far this is mere ambiguation....and will be off topic

However I know that GOI is facing this but if this is done like this then GOD knows what will be the future....

So ur advocating that we wait till the war comes to cities and towns.....this is the "chalta hai" approach that has brought us here to this situation and if we dont rectify it now...............
as regards AFSPA cmon there has to be some sortt of immunity to the jawans.Thts y i mentioned a watered down AFSPA

karthik, Even I will disagree with you if you say Army needs to be brought into action and you have Dhruv all the way firing missiles on people, coz missiles dont discriminate....the biggest disadvantage.

AFSPA is an act speciall for Kashmir and its justified there but not here.
The first strategy will be to stop people from joining this clan and if it happens then GOI has to get ready for a small scale civil war, and who knows it might go big as the operations intensify....so No such thing is needed here...

Here you need to look at the future in tackling this issue...