Saudi Arabia expresses interest in JF-17 co-production with Pakistan.

[Bilal.]

What is the cost of Thunder?

$25 million a piece for block 2.

 

[BCCItheGreat]

$25 million a piece for block 2.

hmm...Any source because i want to compare that to tejas!!!

 

[Bilal.]

hmm...Any source because i want to compare that to tejas!!!

PAC announces start of JF-17 Block 2 construction - IHS Jane's 360

 

[SQ8]

I never said that its impossible to integrate any other engine, but yes its time consuming and difficult (WS-13 is modelled around RD-93 so less question about its compatibility), for any other engine you need to adjust the airflow or redesign it for that particular engine + redesign other auxiliary units (due to different power outputs) and even require some structural change in the aircraft (depending upon dimensions and weight) + many more other things.

The Mirage F-1 re-engine was carried out by a South African company called Aerosud and at no stage involved france and very little input from the Russians.

Yes, engine modifications sometimes do involve certain changes.. but many a times.. if the engines have similar airflows and dimensions.. they do not. The F-16 reengine required the modification of the inlet.. by contrast.. the GE engined F-15K does not require much change as the airflow is sufficient for its requirement

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

EJ-200 ???

Hmmm the unit cost of RD-93 is $2.5 million and that of EJ-200 is between $6 to $7 million.

The total cost of the program will increase dramatically if you guys choose EJ-200.

Let's wait and see, shall we?

 

[MehrotraPrince]

The Mirage F-1 re-engine was carried out by a South African company called Aerosud and at no stage involved france and very little input from the Russians.

Yes, engine modifications sometimes do involve certain changes.. but many a times.. if the engines have similar airflows and dimensions.. they do not. The F-16 reengine required the modification of the inlet.. by contrast.. the GE engined F-15K does not require much change as the airflow is sufficient for its requirement

Yes but still Russian engineers assisted them, can it be said about China and US?? I doubt.

Ok let us take case by case: F100-PW220 and F110-GE100 - Both are based on same base engine, to solve the issue of stall-stagnation and extremely short life and high maintenance (at that time). GE came with F110-GE100 while PW with F100-PW220 by adopting different approach (thanks to that particular project that gave new life to GE). Same is the case with F-15 engines. But problem is that it can not be said about RD-93 and GE-404 or RD-93 and EJ-200..........they are completely different design, means much more work will be required.

My point is, it can be done but one needs to consider few important things like.....Is Engine manufacturer ready? cost of engine? structural changes required? cost involved? time involved? cost to performance benefits?............But not as easy as fan-boys claim or think.

 

[SQ8]

Yes but still Russian engineers assisted them, can it be said about China and US?? I doubt.

Ok let us take case by case: F100-PW220 and F110-GE100 - Both are based on same base engine, to solve the issue of stall-stagnation and extremely short life and high maintenance (at that time). GE came with F110-GE100 while PW with F100-PW220 by adopting different approach (thanks to that particular project that gave new life to GE). Same is the case with F-15 engines. But problem is that it can not be said about RD-93 and GE-404 or RD-93 and EJ-200..........they are completely different design, means much more work will be required.

My point is, it can be done but one needs to consider few important things like.....Is Engine manufacturer ready? cost of engine? structural changes required? cost involved? time involved? cost to performance benefits?............But not as easy as fan-boys claim or think.

Neither is any redesign or integration of new systems. Just a new weapon system requires hours of testing on the ground and in the air to be declared ready. A new engine much more so. But to dismiss the thing as a herculean task that cannot be undertaken if the customer wants it is folly. With an aircraft like the JF-17 where the very idea was to be able to use whatever engine could be made available.. provisions were made early on to allow for that. Does it mean that you can dump any engine and fly it out.. NO.. but it does mean that the task is a lot easier than say on a space constrained aircraft like the F-5.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Saudi Arabia to acquire Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder jets | Despardes

ISLAMABAD/NEW YORK (MAMOSA Report), JAN 27: Saudi Arabia has shown keen interest in buying JF-17 Thunder jet fighter aircraft manufactured under Pakistan-China cooperation.

According to a news report published in World Tribune, Saudi Defense Ministry and Saudi Air Force are keenly examining the JF-17 Thunder program and mulling over their participation in co-production.

World Tribune is a conservative US-based online newspaper focusing on exclusive and under-reported international stories involving strategic affairs.

The news report claimed that Pakistan has offered Saudi Arabia joint manufacturing of JF-17 Thunder aircraft along with technology transfer. This offer was made to the Saudi Arabia Deputy Defense Minister Salman bin Sultan during his visit to Pakistan last week, it said. Prince Bin Sultan reportedly toured the JF-17 program while in the country.

This would represent a potential significant strategic shift for Saudi Arabia, which has traditionally relied on US and Western defense technology for its military needs.

As recently as September 2010, the US announced a $60 billion arms deal with the kingdom, which included the sale of 84 new F-15s and upgrades on 70 of Saudi Arabia’s existing ones. It was the largest arms deal in US history, the report said.

Pakistan, for its part, has long been trying to find countries to buy the JF-17 in order to reduce the per-unit cost the Pakistan Air Force pays for procuring the plane.

Yet China and Pakistan have long struggled to find customers for the JF-17, which China calls the FC-1. This hasn’t been for lack of trying, as the two countries have aggressively marketed the plane over the last few years. For example, a Flight Global article in 2010 said that China was in negotiations with the Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Venezuela, while Pakistan was in talks with Turkey and Egypt.

A defense accord between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia was signed in Islamabad on January 20th, which took place within a few weeks of another high-profile visit of Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal on January 6, while a similar agreement between Indonesia and Saudi Arabia was signed in Jakarta two days later.

News reports said Saudi Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Naif bin Abdulaziz will also arrive in Islamabad by next week to formulate collaboration between the two nations on security and other important issues. There are also reports that Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz is likely to visit Pakistan by mid February. “This historic visit by the king will be a milestone in the relations between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia”, a source told Pakistan Observer.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

http://tradearabia.com/touch/article/IND/250809

Saudi invited to join Pakistan’s aircraft programme

Pakistan has invited Saudi Arabia to join in the manufacturing programme of its JF-17 Thunder aircraft along with technology transfer, said a report.

The kingdom’s Defence Ministry and the Saudi Air Force are keenly examining the aircraft programme, said Pakistan Today, citing a US journal report.

Saudi Arabia has traditionally relied on the US and Western defence technology for its military needs. Therefore, this would represent a potential significant strategic shift for the kingdom, said the report.

The programme, which is a joint Pakistan-China collaboration, has been trying to find countries to buy the JF-17 in order to reduce the per-unit cost the Pakistan Air Force pays for procuring the plane, it said.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Saudis mull joining development of China's Xiaolong fighter
Saudis mull joining development of China's Xiaolong fighter｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

A JF-17 Thunder from the Pakistan Air Force performs aerobatic maneuvers at the Dubai Airshow, Nov. 18, 2013. (Photo/Xinhua)

Saudi Arabia is considering cooperation with China and Pakistan in the development and production of the FC-1 Xiaolong multirole fighter jet, also known as the JF-17 Thunder, according to Military Parade, a website covering defense issues based in Russia.

General Raheel Sharif, the chief of staff of Pakistan's armed forces, ordered a JF-17 aerial maneuver display to welcome a military delegation from Saudi Arabia led by the country's deputy defense minister Prince Salman bin Sultan on Jan. 20, the site reported. The website's source said the representatives from the Royal Saudi Air Force have been eager to learn the details of the production of the JF-17 in Pakistan since 2013. The fighter was jointly designed by China and Pakistan.

As Pakistan is a major military partner to both China and Saudi Arabia, Military Parade said the South Asian country plays a key role in introducing Chinese weapons system to members of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf made up of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. In addition to providing advanced aircraft, tanks and submarines to these nations, Pakistan is also able to transfer Chinese military technology.

Military Parade was also informed that a representative from the Saudi delegation said that the Royal Saudi Air Force is interested in starting a new project based on the design of the fighter. Whether true or not, the website concluded that greater military cooperation between China and Arab nations will take place in the future with Pakistan as the agent.

 

[BCCItheGreat]

Can we stop this saudi joining JF program related news for now...
Am trying to understand abt thunder and for past 3/4 pages, i can only know about saudi...

 

[LonE_WolF]

Can we stop this saudi joining JF program related news for now...
Am trying to understand abt thunder and for past 3/4 pages, i can only know about saudi...

visit the JF-17 info pool and other threads if u want to understand about it

 

[BCCItheGreat]

visit the JF-17 info pool and other threads if u want to understand about it

And where is that ...

 

[LonE_WolF]

And where is that ...

JF-17 Thunder

all the threads related to thunder are here

 

[BCCItheGreat]

JF-17 Thunder

all the threads related to thunder are here

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