Religion first or your country

[TheSolution]

B'deshis are a lot, lot more relgious in thier daily life than most Pakistanis - that's something I have noticed in diaspora and I was lk surprised

Pakistanis are big on religious identity, will be the first in line if they feel Islam is in danger, will fight for it

but when it comes to practicing it in their daily lives except for not drinking or pork it takes a back seat, a bunch of time culture overshadows religious values

Along with B'deshis I'd add Gujrati Muslims too

We are a tribal, clannish society unlike Gujrati or Bangladeshi Muslims, culture, relgion intermixes a lot, and cultural values are sometimes more powerful than relgious one's

Culture and religion mixture is a good thing - but just not when the cultural aspects or religious interpretations are toxic or harmful to us a nation

Say no to Pan-Islamism. Pakistan first.

And say no to the toxic culture of nepotism, false superiority complex classes in society, fuedalism, corruption, disregarding meritocracy, etc.

Cultures should evolve to ultimately keep your people strong and independent while retaining your core identity.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I am surprised with the Poll: Present results
It is not one-sided, actually

 

[TheSolution]

If you're from Pakistan then choosing 'country' is indirectly choosing both. We are an Islamic Republic, so our country emphasises our religious values and our national interests, people and culture at the same time.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Culture and religion mixture is a good thing - but just not when the cultural aspects or religious interpretations are toxic or harmful to us a nation

Say no to Pan-Islamism. Pakistan first.

And say no to the toxic culture of nepotism, false superiority complexes in society, fuedalism, corruption, etc.

Cultural values overshadowing relgious are not always good
Taliban are basically following Thier cultural values mixed with Islam, in Punjab we have dowry system, mujra culture in urban centers, Sindh landlords marrying daughters to quran to save lands

All of these are toxic cultural values

But than there's toxic relgious values too like blasphemy, treatment of women, relgious extremism

Balance as Confucius say

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

@Beast @IblinI @beijingwalker @Beast @zhxy @REhorror @Viet @Nan Yang @nang2

What are your thoughts on this matter?

 

[Zornix]

Have you considered how many educational facilities and study aids are used in India before quoting?

There are rare incidents that happened and immediately got highlighted by someone.

However, if you genuinely consider India from first grade to graduation. Religious topics are not included anywhere in our textbooks.

Dude who gives a flying f-ck about what your textbooks say? not every single thing or ideal is picked up or taught from a school as most kids don't give a shit, what is hard to understand about that? When the society itself is intolerant and discriminatory to the core, no amount of education in schools can fix things.

 

[TheSolution]

Cultural values overshadowing relgious are not always good
Taliban are basically following Thier cultural values mixed with Islam, in Punjab we have dowry system, mujra culture in urban centers, Sindh landlords marrying daughters to quran to save lands

All of these are toxic cultural values

But than there's toxic relgious values too like blasphemy, treatment of women, relgious extremism

Balance

Agreed, that's why I gave examples of getting rid of toxic cultural values that are ultimately harmful to you as a people and your national interests.

Same with religion and it's extreme interpretations which stunt development or harm others.

We should evolve as a culture to remain strong but retain the core identity

 

[REhorror]

Country first, or rather your people first.

Sorry dudebros, but religion can be re-interpreted like everything else.

EDIT: Of course, this doesn't mean you guys should drop all pretenses and become liberal rainbow democracy, just don't let priests and preachers control politics.

EDIT 2: Now who ideally should run the country? Ideally an engineer, or a farmer, someone who produces real things and has common sense and has a stake in keeping the country running.

 

[AlKardai]

@Beast @IblinI @beijingwalker @Beast @zhxy @REhorror @Viet @Nan Yang @nang2

What are your thoughts on this matter?

Bro you’re just calling all the secular guys

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Bro you’re just calling all the secular guys

Bro - Opinion from other nations does matter, right?

It should not be specific to India and Pakistan.

 

[Ali_14]

Mulla umar said the same thing , islam does not believe borders . He did not believe in durand line .

He believed in Islamic caliphate which is not known to borders but one single reign of land under khilafah that doesnt mean he doesnt support islamic countries or their territorial integrity or soverignty. Indians hahaha want to create a fight between Pakistan and their islamic childrens the Afghan taliban with which the indians will eventually fail

 

[terry5]

God above gun

 

[SIPRA]

Sawaal "Phuddu Maarka" hae.

 

[Imran Khan]

I am surprised with the Poll: Present results
It is not one-sided, actually
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your poll also sucks where are other options ????????

 

[hussain0216]

are you irani or bharati? no one killed any hindu in East Pakistan during partition in 47 though some were killed in 71 most of whom were indian infilterators

try being a molvi in BD and if you are not hung or crushed by the head for being pro pakistan, come back and post here

Your right, we never killed any Hindus wink wink