Qaher F313 l News & Discussion

[Persian Gulf 1906]

"Isn't that what every educated sane Iranian wants??"

Can you name me just one example of a Secular Democracy that is not under the thumb of Jewish domination? In my opinion "Secular Democracy" in Iran is just a code for a government that is under Jewish control either directly or indirectly via their Bahai proxies!

"Jewish domination"
"Bahai proxies"

I see you're not in the educated category...

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

"Jewish domination"
"Bahai proxies"

I see you're not in the educated category...

Thanks for not questioning my "sanity" for not thinking like you!

 

[Arminkh]

Absolutely correct. USA is a rival country....and we have to be aware that not all countries are friendly and benevolent. Look no further than Turkey, for months Trump and Bolton have been pressuring Erdogan with tariffs and currency manipulation. Not to mention they may have secretly backed the recent unsuccessful military coup, this is a NATO ally I'm talking about. But, instead of ratcheting up the tension and rhetoric Erdogan released the pastor that was in the center of the row between the two countries. At the same time he used the Khashoggi murder to put S.A. in their place and warm up to the USA. U.S. govt does not like Erdogan....trust me. But, they have no choice to play nice because Erdogan has proof that could make S.A. look like an international pariah, which is no good for Trump and Kushner (and Israel UAE) who have spent so much political capital on. So Trump quickly said nice things about Turkey and no doubt they will stop their economic war on the Lira...for now. This is how you play diplomatic chess in the international arena.

That is not playing chess. That is buckling under pressure. Would you please explain what Erdogan got out of all this except restoring the former status quo before they imprisoned that pastor? (if it is fully restored)

There are a lot of reasons why US my not like to go as hard at Turkey as it goes against Iran:
1- Turkey is the one an only country that can render bulk of Russia's naval power obsolete by just closing the entrance to Black Sea. That is the main reason it was accepted as a NATO member to begin with.
2- It is a NATO member with lots of "insider" information that it can easily share with Russia, China and Iran should they decide to change sides.
3- It is the most populated country in whole middle east with an economy almost in par with that of KSA. Losing that market would not necessarily help "making US great again"
4- Last and not least, it is the gatekeeper of Europe against any threat from east as it has always been throughout the history except for the times that it was the threat itself.

Attributing Iran's foreign policy only to supreme leader shows your lack of knowledge about how Iran is run. The recent revolution was not Iran's first attempt to get rid of monarchy style governments where only one person has all the power. Each time, system had automatically turned back to the same monarchy style. So this time, the people who designed the government, came up with such a complicated system that one person having all the power is almost impossible.

I know everyone thinks supreme leader has all the power, but it is just a misperception. Don't agree? Look at the chaos and corruption in Iran these days and compare that to countries that were in similar situation but with one person in power: Saddam's era Iraq after the first Persian Gulf war and today's North Korea. Both of them were and are under more severe sanctions compared to Iran, but I personally believe they managed it much better than what is Iran doing right now. Just look at Iran's monetary policy changing everyday. It is because there are so many different power centers in Iran that they just can't make up their mind about what to do. Do you think if Iran was controlled by only one man, you would see this chaos?

Lastly, Iran and the way it is run has a lot of space for improvement but when it comes to playing chess, no country in the region and outside comes close. This is how you play chess:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-won-face-iraq-181018101229959.html

US spent trillions in capital and human life to turn Iraq into a foot hold in the region. Iran spent merely a fraction and now Iraq is an ally. Same in Lebanon, same in Syria.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Thanks for not questioning my "sanity" for not thinking like you!

You really think there's some bahai conspiracy or something? bahais in iran suffer because of idiots like you.

it's true that israel has very strong lobbies in the West, but they have huge trade with China too, is China dominated by Jews? Arabs have strong lobbies in the west too, does that mean Iran becoming a democracy = Arabs dominating Iran? Arab ideology already dominates Iran, so I guess we just need the Arabs to match!

Lastly, Iran and the way it is run has a lot of space for improvement but when it comes to playing chess, no country in the region and outside comes close. This is how you play chess:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-won-face-iraq-181018101229959.html

US spent trillions in capital and human life to turn Iraq into a foot hold in the region. Iran spent merely a fraction and now Iraq is an ally. Same in Lebanon, same in Syria.

If economic sanctions, third world country GDP per capita, international pariah status, institutionalised oppression of women/bahais/etc, campaign of murdering/imprisonment against environmentalists, some of the worst pollution in the world, etc is how you play chess, then I think I'll stick to backgammon.

 

[Arminkh]

If economic sanctions, third world country GDP per capita, international pariah status, institutionalised oppression of women/bahais/etc, campaign of murdering/imprisonment against environmentalists, some of the worst pollution in the world, etc is how you play chess, then I think I'll stick to backgammon.

Totally irrelevant to what I mentioned. We both were talking about foreign policy. Even though I don't agree with most of the things you said, especially oppression of women (seriously?!! You probably don't have a Persian wife or GF. I think it is other way around) let's leave it here.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Indeed i do believe in the Bahai "faith" being a construct of a Jewish One World System. The fact that they have their HQ in Haifa Israel is just one dead giveaway. Here is a video of that well known "Islamic republic agent" Bill Cooper covering the topic of the Bahai "faith". I know very well that you will not watch this video because it is an insult to your "education and Sanity" but I'm putting it on here for anyone that might be open minded enough to actually watch it.

 

[Kastor]

Indeed i do believe in the Bahai "faith" being a construct of a Jewish One World System. The fact that they have their HQ in Haifa Israel is just one dead giveaway. Here is a video of that well known "Islamic republic agent" Bill Cooper covering the topic of the Bahai "faith". I know very well that you will not watch this video because it is an insult to your "education and Sanity" but I'm putting it on here for anyone that might be open minded enough to actually watch it.

You are wrong about Jewish domination and Bahais. Talks such as these have been around for a while, the Rothschilds controlling the world and stuff. It's money not religion that motivates the people who are dominating the U.S. and other places. They're just exploiting weaknesses in the administration, because the GOP wrote laws that allows for lobbying and unlimited funds to be given to a particular candidate. Jews just used the system better in the U.S....as far as Bahais are concerned I've never even met one from Iran. Just so Mohsen can sleep tonight, let me say that I come from a Muslim family, myself, I'm a watered down Muslim...I try not to get to wrapped up in religion, it's never done any good for me.

 

[TheMightyBender]

Why are you guys bullshitting so much in a thread dedicated to a dead fighter jet? Go home people

 

[T-72B]

Why are you guys bullshitting so much in a thread dedicated to a dead fighter jet? Go home people

if not what will happen?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Totally irrelevant to what I mentioned. We both were talking about foreign policy. Even though I don't agree with most of the things you said, especially oppression of women (seriously?!! You probably don't have a Persian wife or GF. I think it is other way around) let's leave it here.

yes because some persian women are strong willed and extroverted etc that totally means a lot of women in iran arent married off at a young age, abused by their uneducated husbands, subjected to a restrictive islamic dress code that sexualises them from a young age, banned from entering stadiums, banned from leaving the country without the permission of their husband, discriminatory inheritance laws, etc, should i go on...?

Indeed i do believe in the Bahai "faith" being a construct of a Jewish One World System.

We get it, you're uneducated and another dumb Iranian who believes retarded conspiracy theories about everything hence why so many groups in Iran are discriminated against (bahai, women, etc).

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Oh look another "educated" Iranian American who thinks that just because he has a degree that makes him an expert on all matters! I'm glad that you and your kind are all talk and no action and have no chance of ever making your dreams of "Secular Democracy" in Iran a reality. God bless the Islamic republic for keeping the Bahai's from spreading their influence and thank god for giving Islamic Republic the most useless opposition groups on the face of the earth!

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Oh look another "educated" Iranian American who thinks that just because he has a degree that makes him an expert on all matters! I'm glad that you and your kind are all talk and no action and have no chance of ever making your dreams of "Secular Democracy" in Iran a reality. God bless the Islamic republic for keeping the Bahai's from spreading their influence and thank god for giving Islamic Republic the most useless opposition groups on the face of the earth!

I am not Iranian American, you can't even get that right.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

I am not Iranian American, you can't even get that right.

Ok you got me there.

 

[WordsMatter]

Indeed i do believe in the Bahai "faith" being a construct of a Jewish One World System. The fact that they have their HQ in Haifa Israel is just one dead giveaway. Here is a video of that well known "Islamic republic agent" Bill Cooper covering the topic of the Bahai "faith". I know very well that you will not watch this video because it is an insult to your "education and Sanity" but I'm putting it on here for anyone that might be open minded enough to actually watch it.

Are you a seminary graduate or just born daft?

Oh look another "educated" Iranian American who thinks that just because he has a degree that makes him an expert on all matters! I'm glad that you and your kind are all talk and no action and have no chance of ever making your dreams of "Secular Democracy" in Iran a reality. God bless the Islamic republic for keeping the Bahai's from spreading their influence and thank god for giving Islamic Republic the most useless opposition groups on the face of the earth!

Having a degree is far better than a fool like you who sees Jewish/Bahai conspiracy in every corner. Abraham Lincoln has a famous saying that applies aptly to you and people like you: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

What do they teach you guys is these seminary schools?

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

For almost 40 years those seminary students have been ruling over Iran while all you "smart" and "educated" Iranians haven't managed to role these dumb religious fanatics back an inch. Go beg your Marine Buddies to come "save" Iran for you because god knows you gutless Geniuses are completely hopeless of doing it yourselves! I'm not even religious but I have more respect for those that have faith and are willing to put their lives on the line even if it means losing their lives for for their beliefs than some runaway Iranians bragging about how smart they are without having any balls to actually do anything with their smarts!