Pakistan's long-term national security: insurgencies and national identity.

[TheSolution]

Its very important we become more authentic as a civilization and embrace our history in all its forms. It must be Pakistani the identity, not Muslim the identity. Pakistan is made up of many faiths and beliefs and ethnicities and backgrounds. Give them all an opportunity to become part of the identity.

The case study of Bangladesh is a classic example, Islam did not save Bangladesh from separating. Their cultural needs were not respected so no faith is not the glue that binds. Its already been debunked.

Objective should be to reduce the space of our two enemies, Indians who claim our history and Islamic extremists who do not accept Pakistan the nation state and geography. Go secular, embrace our history and watch in a couple of generations how Pakistan transforms into what it should have become.

The identity is of course Pakistani, not Muslim. Muslim is a religious characteristic.

Going secular at this stage is impossible, and the non-Muslims are a statistical minority in Pakistan, that's not to say they aren't Pakistani.

Bangladesh was a totally different matter and more political in nature.

The very foundation which Pakistan was created upon was a Muslim homeland, it is better as a semi-secular Muslim state which it is right now. It is a fact that Pakistan is the inheritor and beacon of South Asian Islamic history and civilisation.

But we need much better management of religious madrassas and institutions which I touched upon, who are controlled by uneducated extremists and a breeding ground for more intolerant extremists.

The national identity is also incorporating both non-Islamic history too like the IVC, Raja Porus, etc. There is plenty of room for non-Muslims to fit in due to this, especially due to the shared cultural affinity which will be present as they are the same people as us, and since we aren't a strict Shariah state nor will we be.

The idea of a secular Pakistan shouldn't be entertained as it simply denies the very basis of Pakistan's foundation, it would increase separatist insurgencies by 1000x.

We are a moderate Islamic society by nature. Semi-secular Muslim state.

 

[khansaheeb]

Its very important we become more authentic as a civilization and embrace our history in all its forms. It must be Pakistani the identity, not Muslim the identity. Pakistan is made up of many faiths and beliefs and ethnicities and backgrounds. Give them all an opportunity to become part of the identity.

The case study of Bangladesh is a classic example, Islam did not save Bangladesh from separating. Their cultural needs were not respected so no faith is not the glue that binds. Its already been debunked.

Objective should be to reduce the space of our two enemies, Indians who claim our history and Islamic extremists who do not accept Pakistan the nation state and geography. Go secular, embrace our history and watch in a couple of generations how Pakistan transforms into what it should have become.

Glad you are in the UK or India, stay there!

 

[ThunderCat]

Pashtuns and Balochs are classed as Iranic, Panjabis/Sindhis/Muhajirs are classed as Indo-Aryan or Indic - I think Kashmiris also fit into this

Yeah Kashmiris are Dardic, which falls within Indo-Aryan. Punjabis and Sindhis are Vedic since they descend from Vedic Aryans.

Muhajirs are diverse, but yes mostly Indo-Aryan. Fewer muhajirs are of Dravidian stock. They descend from South Indians.

 

[TNT]

Well sorry to say but banana republics dont have any long term strategic interests.

 

[ThunderCat]

Is this mixing of different ethnic people good for state in long run?
I think Urdu will get benefit from here
But local languages will get overwhelmed by Urdu in long run.

I don't know but the fact is they share common partial ancestral origins, even if these ancestors lived in Northern Caspian steppes of the modern Russian Federation during the early Bronze Age.

They came together during the late Bronze Age after Southeastern Iranic peoples (Pashtuns) began populating the mountains of modern KP and living beside their Indo-Aryan cousins.

The role of our national language plays the role of a neutral non-ethnic language. However, the name "urdu" has no meaning to us. It was coined by a Delhi poet.

Lashkari short for Lashkari Zaban is the indigenous name, although less used, but still used. The name "urdu" makes people think it's a Turkic language. It's not even related to the Turkic languages and see no sense of keeping this relatively new, but senseless name.

 

[manpk77]

Britishers wanted to counter India through Pakistan so Pakistan was created as a strategic response. This is the identity of Pakistan.

This nation of ran*ibaaz jarnails and haramkhor beimaan baaz kaptans and majors and ullu ke pathe jumlebaaz leaders are not even close to Madina e Riyasat. This is the reality.

How easily military takes over Pakistan has anyone ever thought? It's due to the external support.

oss waqt bhi ham talwe chaat rhy thay aur ab to dhool bhi nai naseeb honi jitna marzi bahari mulq ki chat lo

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Well sorry to say but banana republics dont have any long term strategic interests.

Pakistan yo ajeeb case da

Khalq da online waylo lapra dera sa larey magar pa zwand kee Pakistaniyan hagha sa na wayee che dwai online wayee

 

[ThunderCat]

Britishers wanted to counter India through Pakistan so Pakistan was created as a strategic response. This is the identity of Pakistan.

 

[TheSolution]

@R Wing (Forgot to tag you in this post)

 

[R Wing]

@R Wing (Forgot to tag you in this post)

Which post? I'll go through the thread and add my 2c!

 

[TheSolution]

Which post? I'll go through the thread and add my 2c!

Original post on this thread

 

[ThunderCat]

Political stability is the nucleus here.

Probably not possible with growing overpopulation crisis.

In our earlier years we had much better stability and less because of smaller population. But growing population has ruined Pakistan.

 

[Kompromat]

Probably not possible with growing overpopulation crisis.

In our earlier years we had much better stability and less because of smaller population. But growing population has ruined Pakistan.

Political Stability ≠ Population.

Examples: China, India, Brazil.

 

[ThunderCat]

Political Stability ≠ Population.

Examples: China, India, Brazil.

China and Brazil are much larger countries and have stabilized in population growth. Not Pakistan.

India has too much internal strife as it is. A slow growing fire.

 

[TheSolution]

Probably not possible with growing overpopulation crisis.

In our earlier years we had much better stability and less because of smaller population. But growing population has ruined Pakistan.

Nope I disagree with this, I don't think political stability is connected to population size.

It's more-so to do with trust and belief in your government officials by the populace. Which is obviously severely lacking after Khan's ouster and the perception of the PDM government.

The establishment fails to realise that we are no longer in the distant past - people are much more aware nowadays with social media, journalism, transparent global organisation reports, etc. It's both a positive and a negative. You can't use the same tricks as they did in the past. You have to adapt.

Overpopulation affects many other areas though and has it's negatives