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Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

Hahahahahaha.... well buying subs is a good idea but working on nuclear subs would have been much better....

Hi,

Getting subs is a great idea---but there has to be a systematic purchase.

The thing I am trying ot explain is that your 5 billion dollars are tied on a 12 --- 14 years delivery time.

The military should have gone with a primary contract and 4 secondary contracts---the primary contract would be of 5 billions---

1st secondary contract for 2.5 billion for 4 subs to be delivered in 4 to 5 years

2nd secondary contract for twin engine heavy aircraft 1 billion dollars

3rd secondary contract for 3--4 F22 type frigate and 1-2 Type 054A frigate 1.5 billion dollars

4th secondary contract to be signed before the delivery of the 4th submarine for another 4 submarines for the same price as the previous 4 ( new funds secured for that loan ) for 2.5 billion dollars.

So----what I don't understand is where is the lack of importance of submarines in my post----. You still get 8 submarines in 10-14 years---that does not change the delivery time.
 
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Sorry ,
Any professional can be wrong at times in his or her given professional fields ?
& F-16 are send from heavens , which are the best in the world ?
Sorry to say ,
Its more well of money ,to our politicians & military berucracy , from where.they are digging their dam kick backs since the times of BB?
Its been our air marshalls having huge comercial & residential properties in USA ?
This statement , shows that NAWAZ Sharif is calling the shots , & he wants to be seen as a american puppet , which our military establishment is following half heartdly ?

Same air Marshall was saying lot of things different then this of his statement ?
Before he was looking in both east & west for his new big guns ?

General raheel , s last visit to USA , didn't went as he thoughted it ?
BUT A still he thinks , its not a good idea , to start doing what should be done in terms of cutting the puppets strings once & for all ?
He is just , trying his best to be seen as a saviour not as surviour of Pakistani -stupidly-planned- installed - democracy ?
Thus , our good airmarshall still don't know what will be in the future , for him to sign into ?
by these kind of statement s , he is just showing pentagon , that we are still with you , just standing to get any further orders send by you , & sung by noora Sharif in Islamabad ?


They will keep , waiting till one of us starts it , then when we come top of all the arguments on every page of that thread ,, they I'll close it down , without any specific reasons ?
Its all what paracticaly happening in PAF , today !lolzz
there is that
 
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Look at how innovative the Swedes were with the Gripen NG. Think outside the box.



Bro, calm down. The UAE is buying Blk61's as a stop gap measure. We need heavier fighters. "Longer legs, larger payloads".

Secondly, you are a very sensible poster, for who I see a bright future on this forum. Don't ridicule / insult senior people like Kahan Sahab. He is entitled to his opinion, no harm in that.

A piece of advice from an older brother, "if you want to become a CEO, think like one". Now shake hands and lets all move on like amicable gentlemen.
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what the swedes did with the girpen was good but that can go to the uae as well. make the f16 blk60/61 an arab equivelant. why get longer legs when you can make your own legs longer.

as for the vet, the guy is very anoying even oscar had a go at the guy, theres a number of users who are very well known but talk rubbish in lighter terms he's one of them. i dont talk to them, but i do there and again.
Asia's Prime Fighter
 
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what the swedes did with the girpen was good but that can go to the uae as well. make the f16 blk60/61 an arab equivelant. why get longer legs when you can make your own legs longer.

as for the vet, the guy is very anoying even oscar had a go at the guy, theres a number of users who are very well known but talk rubbish in lighter terms he's one of them. i dont talk to them, but i do there and again.
Asia's Prime Fighter

Blk 60/61 -Despite being the best single engine fighter out there, it's just that - a single engine fighter. I hope you caught my drift.

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Well i dont see any threat to UAE in the region..... US and its alies will be there for you guys....:bounce:

Thats the good news. The bad news is, there is always a threat around the corner.

Hi,

Getting subs is a great idea---but there has to be a systematic purchase.

The thing I am trying ot explain is that your 5 billion dollars are tied on a 12 --- 14 years delivery time.

The military should have gone with a primary contract and 4 secondary contracts---the primary contract would be of 5 billions---

1st secondary contract for 2.5 billion for 4 subs to be delivered in 4 to 5 years

2nd secondary contract for twin engine heavy aircraft 1 billion dollars

3rd secondary contract for 3--4 F22 type frigate and 1-2 Type 054A frigate 1.5 billion dollars

4th secondary contract to be signed before the delivery of the 4th submarine for another 4 submarines for the same price as the previous 4 ( new funds secured for that loan ) for 2.5 billion dollars.

So----what I don't understand is where is the lack of importance of submarines in my post----. You still get 8 submarines in 10-14 years---that does not change the delivery time.
Creative financial planning is not everyone's cup of tea.
 
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Blk 60/61 -Despite being the best single engine fighter out there, it's just that - a single engine fighter. I hope you caught my drift.
thats why you guys did not like the gripen. its got all of the bells and whistels but it's underpowered and single engined.

the uae cant get f15's as qatar was refused the jet. to be honest i have no idea what the uae is upto in there procurments. all i know there's a 60 jet requirment and the french are lobbying like hell for them to buy the rafale like the qataris and the eygptains. and the uk is doing the same for the typhoon.

the typhoon may geta huge upgrade in the name of the tranch 3b its better than almost anything out there.

in my opinion the typhoon lacks stealth, thats all, other than that it the same as an f22. german typhoons gave the f22 a run for its money.
 
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The UAE has a fleet of 79 F16 Blk 60's.
30 new Blk61's ordered.
Once they arrive, the remaining will be brought up to Blk61 specs.

wow , UAE will be a one formidable Air force :D
our budget and Options are very limited. ..
PAF needs to invest more in F-16's ,
what do you think ? is it right decision to buy more 16's ?
 
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Will Pakistan Land a Deal With US for New F-16s?
By Usman Ansari 5:07 p.m. EST December 30, 2015
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ISLAMABAD — Pakistan continues to talk to the US about purchasing a new tranche of F-16 fighters, but analysts here warn that it is unclear if or when such a deal could close.

Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, head of the Pakistani Air Force, was quoted in local media here Monday saying Pakistan was "in talks with US defense officials to get some [of the] latest F-16s but the deal may take some time." He spoke at an event to mark Pakistan Aeronautical Complex having manufactured its target of 16 JF-17 Block II for 2015.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...complaints-senate-gulf-weapon-sales/77111438/
That follows reports from mid-October that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would use a visit to Washington to push for the sale of eight F-16s for his military.

Pakistan currently operates a number of F-16 variants, so the addition of eight more jets is unlikely to have much impact on the local power balance between Pakistan and India.

However, the US Congress has historically been skeptical of arms sales to Pakistan, in no small part due to Indian lobbying, and any discussion of defense deals naturally must take this into account.

But circumstances could now be in Pakistan's favor. In addition to the Washington's speculated desire to maintain influence in Pakistan, there is a need to keep the F-16 production line open, which in the absence of domestic US orders can only be achieved through exports.

Despite the usual obstacles in the path of a deal, Brian Cloughley, an author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, says there is now a stronger chance that a deal could be struck.

"The India lobby in Congress is quite powerful and might help to block such sales to Pakistan, but the defense production lobby is much more influential,” Cloughley said. "On that basis, it's likely such a sale would get through."

Author and analyst Kaiser Tufail, who flew F-16s among other aircraft during his Air Force career, said that if negotiations really are serious he does not "see any reason why the US would be secretive about it."

He also questioned whether the US would use the possibility of more F-16s to maintain political ties with Pakistan at a time when China is strengthening its ties with the Asian nation.

"Under the ongoing Pak-China strategic cooperation, there must be great urgency in US quarters to retain influence in Pakistan. Any rumored offer of military hardware should be seen in that light," he said.

Lockheed Martin is represented in Pakistan by Kestrel, which also represents a number of other US firms such as Sikorsky, Gulf Stream, Hawker Beechcraft and L3 Communications. However, no comment was forthcoming from the firm about details such as the potential timeframe for a deal.

"There is no doubt that the F-16C-52 is the world's best single-engine fighter. Since we already operate a squadron of this type, its additional induction would be smooth," Tufail said.

David McKeeby, a spokesman for the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, declined to comment on a proposed sale until it has been formally notified to Congress.

However, McKeeby noted that, “When provided in the past, Pakistan has used US-funded equipment and US-provided technology to significant effect in their counter-terrorism efforts. Pakistan's F-16 is one key example of how US support has improved Pakistan's precision strike capability and capacity to combat terrorist elements in North Waziristan.”

Those operations, he noted, are “in the national interests of both Pakistan and the United States.”

Modernization Efforts

More F-16s would certainly speed up Pakistan's modernization efforts and Aman also stated the intention to replace the older generation of jets, such as the Mirage III/5 aircraft, by 2020.



First in line for replacement has been the Chengdu F-7P, of which small numbers are still operational. According to PAF officials the more advanced double-delta winged F-7PG is likely to remain as a point defense interceptor for the time being.

Even if the F-16 sale does not materialize, however, the JF-17 program is on course, and a spokesman for the Air Force said production would be increased to meet export orders. Though no official confirmation has yet been forthcoming, Myanmar is considered by analysts to have been the first export customer.

Four Pakistani Air Force squadrons are now equipped with the JF-17 and the number will grow as China and Pakistan signed a deal in April for the delivery of 50 aircraft in the coming three years.

Some parts of the JF-17, such as the rear fuselage, are still manufactured in China by Chengdu.

Even without further F-16s, Tufail believes the JF-17 can easily replace the remaining F-7P and Mirage III/5 fleets in the desired timeframe.

"We should have no problem as it is a well-planned and a phased program. The JF-17 production capacity of one squadron (16 aircraft) per year fits in well with the plans to complete the replacement by 2020."

Will Pakistan Land a Deal With US for New F-16s?
 
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wow , UAE will be a one formidable Air force :D
our budget and Options are very limited. ..
PAF needs to invest more in F-16's ,
what do you think ? is it right decision to buy more 16's ?
Strictly my personal opinion - PAF is doing the right thing.

Although I would love to see at least 2 squadrons of Blk61's, and the rest upgraded to "V" specs. But that is just me.
 
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Nothing above block 52+ for PAF.....otherwise the "power balance" will change in the region... ridiculous
 
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8 - 16 Odd planes do not change the power balance with Afghanistan , so there should be no problem

It would be a good platform to test the latest generation and see if it fits the needs for Pakistan

India already is buying weapons from 3-4 sources , so they are inducting 100-200 planes while we are getting just 8 or 16 planes max


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Considering Pakistan was always the first to get Falcon , it is only fair we get the latest generation first (after UAE that is)
 
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Interesting comments that if the F-16 order does not materialize, the JF-17 will pick up the slack.
 
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If we are getting the new generation planes , it would only make sense to get 16-18 to form a squadron etc
It would be interesting to see if we are getting more missiles with new Jets

Compared to Turkey / Egypt who operate 200 F16 our airforce has a modest 70 craft airforce , so we could use the extra squadron

8 Planes
16 Planes
18 Planes
36 Plane (Ideal Number since we did not induct J10b)

Just wondering what would be an ideal number for Pakistan Airforce

The mirage jets are really past their time the sooner we replace 60-70 Mirages the better
 
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Well if I talk from a Pakistani perspective then I will say with the 8 new F16s, please give the remaining 12 embargoed F16s....
 
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