Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

[Indus Pakistan]

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[batmannow]

One thing recent wars have shown is in the air superior technology wins. Anything less then the best is just junk waiting to be shot down and contribute to enemy kills.

When shat hits the fan our air chief knows more than you and I. He knows he would rather have his men going out to face the best the Indian's have in F-16s. The Thunder is good for ground attack and support.

The tip of spear is F-16. The chief who has spent his life flying fighters knows this ....

Sorry ,
Any professional can be wrong at times in his or her given professional fields ?
& F-16 are send from heavens , which are the best in the world ?
Sorry to say ,
Its more well of money ,to our politicians & military berucracy , from where.they are digging their dam kick backs since the times of BB?
Its been our air marshalls having huge comercial & residential properties in USA ?
This statement , shows that NAWAZ Sharif is calling the shots , & he wants to be seen as a american puppet , which our military establishment is following half heartdly ?

Same air Marshall was saying lot of things different then this of his statement ?
Before he was looking in both east & west for his new big guns ?

General raheel , s last visit to USA , didn't went as he thoughted it ?
BUT A still he thinks , its not a good idea , to start doing what should be done in terms of cutting the puppets strings once & for all ?
He is just , trying his best to be seen as a saviour not as surviour of Pakistani -stupidly-planned- installed - democracy ?
Thus , our good airmarshall still don't know what will be in the future , for him to sign into ?
by these kind of statement s , he is just showing pentagon , that we are still with you , just standing to get any further orders send by you , & sung by noora Sharif in Islamabad ?

Hi,

Why don't you start a new thread---.

They will keep , waiting till one of us starts it , then when we come top of all the arguments on every page of that thread ,, they I'll close it down , without any specific reasons ?
Its all what paracticaly happening in PAF , today !lolzz

 

[Falcon26]

Sorry ,
Any professional can be wrong at times in his or her given professional fields ?
& F-16 are send from heavens , which are the best in the world ?
Sorry to say ,
Its more well of money ,to our politicians & military berucracy , from where.they are digging their dam kick backs since the times of BB?
Its been our air marshalls having huge comercial & residential properties in USA ?
This statement , shows that NAWAZ Sharif is calling the shots , & he wants to be seen as a american puppet , which our military establishment is following half heartdly ?

Same air Marshall was saying lot of things different then this of his statement ?
Before he was looking in both east & west for his new big guns ?

General raheel , s last visit to USA , didn't went as he thoughted it ?
BUT A still he thinks , its not a good idea , to start doing what should be done in terms of cutting the puppets strings once & for all ?
He is just , trying his best to be seen as a saviour not as surviour of Pakistani -stupidly-planned- installed - democracy ?
Thus , our good airmarshall still don't know what will be in the future , for him to sign into ?
by these kind of statement s , he is just showing pentagon , that we are still with you , just standing to get any further orders send by you , & sung by noora Sharif in Islamabad ?


They will keep , waiting till one of us starts it , then when we come top of all the arguments on every page of that thread ,, they I'll close it down , without any specific reasons ?
Its all what paracticaly happening in PAF , today !lolzz

Utter hogwash. What alternative can do the job of the F-16s in Pakistan? The F-16 is a proven, highly effective & versatile & the best bang for the buck PAF can hope for.

Where's your prove that the military procurement of weapons is driven by kickbacks & side deals? It's silly to throw around casual accusations like this

 

[Tipu7]

I hope to see a new squadron of F16, especially designed for PAF. Carrying all goodies of F35. I believe PAF is going for it to counter Rafales. And 36 of Blk60 F16P will be enough to take on Rafales in face to face battle.....
As per Twin Engine Heavies, we don't have any easy option. ............. I believe PAF is considering these three aircrafts only

 

[Wolf]

Leave films aside for a reason and we should go for more F-16 but we still need a third 4.5th Generation platform best option is SU-35 if not that than J-11 D or J-16 from China.

Exactly. J16 is reported to have more chinese components and avionics. But, my question will be regarding an agreement between russians and chinese mentioned by a member in this thread as per which chinese will not sell J 11s to any other country. Does the same agreement applies to J 16s?

 

[Dalit]

Sooner or later PAF will have to go for a 5th gen platform. There are no ifs and buts in that regard. If the F-16s can be complemented with other newer 5th gen platforms (which obviously will be the case) there is really no harm. Ideally, I would have loved PAF to invest all resources and effort into a new 5th gen platform like the J-31 for instance. We don't have the luxury of plentiful resources. You're right about the PAF having a solid plan and obviously they do know better than the rest. I'm not underestimating the F-16 because it can hold its own against any 4th gen platform out there. It is a solid and proven platform, but it is without a doubt also sanction prone for the PAF. PAF has a massive advantage of know how and infrastructure for inducting new F-16s, but there comes a point when we have to move on. We always depend on Uncle Sam for spares etc. Not to mention, Uncle Sam has a strict usage policy. We need to look beyond F-16 at some point. We need to decide that this is the amount of F-16s and no more. Obviously, acquiring more F-16s also costs money. Therefore, we need to seriously consider a 5th gen platform which in turn is going to require time and effort. Especially given that our adversary has already started a JV with Russia in this regard. We cannot take this lightly at all. The point is that we need to move ahead with the rest of the herd. China is the only serious option for the acquisition of a 5th gen platform. We need some sort of JF-17 JV with China.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Before the Paf gets to the 5th gen aircraft---it needs a heavy---long range heavy---.

 

[Khafee]

I hope to see a new squadron of F16, especially designed for PAF. Carrying all goodies of F35. I believe PAF is going for it to counter Rafales. And 36 of Blk60 F16P will be enough to take on Rafales in face to face battle.....
As per Twin Engine Heavies, we don't have any easy option. ............. I believe PAF is considering these three aircrafts only


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Blk 61 in PAF colors would be quite an eye candy!

On a serious note, if the Blk 61's can come, so can the rest of the fleet be upgraded to "V" specs.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

They should be Vipers or Block 60 F-16s ,warna nahi chahye humein

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

Why don't you start a new thread---.

I''m actually thinking of starting one on the UAE - Next twin engine fighter excluding EF & Rafale . Waiting for some info before I proceed. Secondly, the thing that is stoping me, is that it would be in the Arab Defence Forum, and I'd rather not open a thread there.

 

[rockstar08]

sir Pad will never invest in J 31 we saw their attitude with J 10

F 16 IS SANCTION PRONE and expansive at same time better bought J 10

bhai , J-10 offer nothing new to us , block 3 JF will have AESA , more hard points and new weapon package ...

F-16's are just stop gap .. you need a front line fighter , and there is none that comes into our budget ..

 

[Khafee]

ok you fork out £100+ million each for a single typhoon.

Well there is a way of bringing down that price. Outsource "some" of the manufacturing to PAC. Do a partial ToT, see how the price comes down. Win, win situation for all.

 

[MastanKhan]

I''m actually thinking of starting one on the UAE - Next twin engine fighter excluding EF & Rafale . Waiting for some info before I proceed. Secondly, the thing that is stoping me, is that it would be in the Arab Defence Forum, and I'd rather not open a thread there.

Hi,

Technically---emirates is well set with its current strike force and if it inducts either the rafale or the eurofighter---there is no reason for it to go for any other heavy aircraft for another 5 years.

The problem with pakistan is a different one----geograpgy. It needs a heavy and it needs it with a long range---in the category of an F111 aardvark----and as it cannot get that---then it needs to settle for the JH7B.

There is a lot of unpredictability in the news coming out of paf---.

Pak military is WASTING FUNDS for going after 8 submarines in a 5 billion dollars contract at one time--where the first sub be delivered in the next 2 years and the last one after 10 to 12 years.

These funds should have been split three ways---half the funds should have gone for the subs---the other half for the heavies and F22 frigates and an 054 type frigate---.

Bad bad mistake by pak military----beyond the stage---of what you may call " A Blunder ".

 

[Knight temple]

Utter hogwash. What alternative can do the job of the F-16s in Pakistan? The F-16 is a proven, highly effective & versatile & the best bang for the buck PAF can hope for.

Where's your prove that the military procurement of weapons is driven by kickbacks & side deals? It's silly to throw around casual accusations like this

well F-16 is something that we have to pass through from it I know there are some serious modifications done with new upcoming blocks of F-16 but no.... we need much more efficient fighter jet like that of j 31 or rafales or mirages 2000 to 2000-9 as americans will never give F 22 or F 35 of what so ever reason i don't want to guess

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

Technically---emirates is well set with its current strike force and if it inducts either the rafale or the eurofighter---there is no reason for it to go for any other heavy aircraft for another 5 years.

The problem with pakistan is a different one----geograpgy. It needs a heavy and it needs it with a long range---in the category of an F111 aardvark----and as it cannot get that---then it needs to settle for the JH7B.

There is a lot of unpredictability in the news coming out of paf---.

Pak military is WASTING FUNDS for going after 8 submarines in a 5 billion dollars contract at one time--where the first sub be delivered in the next 2 years and the last one after 10 to 12 years.

These funds should have been split three ways---half the funds should have gone for the subs---the other half for the heavies and F22 frigates and an 054 type frigate---.

Bad bad mistake by pak military----beyond the stage---of what you may call " A Blunder ".

The problem is you have to perceive your threats, before they become one. If you miss the boat, you don't go home with a black eye, crying to mommy. Stakes are much higher, that's why I was thinking, what next?