Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[python-000]

bad news for ATAK engine , according to Cumhuriyet newspaper , us didnt approved for sale

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turkiye/1489255/ATAK_a_motor_engeli.html

So its mean Pakistan Atak story is over...

 

[xbat]

may be only postponed

 

[Cool_Soldier]

If it is true, sad to hear but I am still hoping way will come out and it will finally be delivered to Pakistan.

 

[Trango Towers]

We're fooling ourselves. TAI spent more than $ 3 billion on intellectual and property certification and technology consulting for the T129, and body technology for the T625 and other future helicopters. Pakistan 's participation in the new helicopter program will be of no use. For licensed production, there is no need for such fanfare.

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[Quwa]

So its mean Pakistan Atak story is over...

If it makes you feel any better, Pakistan's economic issues would have probably delayed this deal anyways.

 

[nomi007]

So its mean Pakistan Atak story is over...

Turkey has submitted a request to the US-British co-production engines. However, due to the crisis did not respond positively to demand ATAK exports became uncertain.

Turkey's long-standing barriers to vaccination engine for the export of works that appeared on Attack helicopters for export. Sales uncertainty continues due to the US-UK co-production engine of ATAK.

President Tayyip Erdogan's statements at a meeting with the chief executive of newspapers and televisions the previous day, the US-UK co-production engine used in the ATAK helicopter was requested from the British Rolls Royce'tan, but this request was not responded positively.

On July 13, 2018, the Presidency of Defense Industry reached an agreement to sell 30 T129 ATAK helicopters to Pakistan. Agreement that the total amount of exports made during the period was 1.5 billion dollars and was noted to be carried out so that the largest defense industry exports at a time in the history of Turkey. The Philippines also stated that the interest in the ATAK helicopter, in this context, Defense Industry Cooperation between the Philippines and Turkey Memorandum of Understanding was signed.

Seeking an alternative
At that time, it was reported that the first ATAK helicopter would be delivered to Pakistan in 2019, but the engine problem, one of the most important parts of the helicopter, appeared on the calendar. Turkish Aerospace Industry Inc. (TUSAŞ / TAI), ATAK helicopter uses CTS800 type engine produced by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), a joint venture between American Honeywell and British Rolls Royce. Since this engine is used in the helicopter, the US Department of Defense (Pentagon) needs permission to export it to another country. The Pentagon has not yet issued this permit. This permission is not expected to be issued in the short term at a time of threat from the United States due to S-400 missiles received from Russia.

At the end of last year it had taken place in the press news that the direction of the LHTEC engine to look for alternatives for the ATAK France, Poland and Turkey. However, Pakistan requires a re-test flight in the Himalayas if an ATAK helicopter uses engines from a country other than the US.
The first test of the turbocharger engine designed by TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii (TEI) as domestic helicopter engine was performed at the end of last year. Domestic helicopter engine to come to the mass production stage and can be used in the ATAK helicopter can be realized in the long term.
Turkey is currently in the Land Forces Command 41, a total of 47, including 6 ATTACK helikoper the Gendarmerie General Command was delivered.

Turkey has submitted a request to the US-British co-production engines. However, due to the crisis did not respond positively to demand ATAK exports became uncertain.

Turkey's long-standing barriers to vaccination engine for the export of works that appeared on Attack helicopters for export. Sales uncertainty continues due to the US-UK co-production engine of ATAK.

President Tayyip Erdogan's statements at a meeting with the chief executive of newspapers and televisions the previous day, the US-UK co-production engine used in the ATAK helicopter was requested from the British Rolls Royce'tan, but this request was not responded positively.

On July 13, 2018, the Presidency of Defense Industry reached an agreement to sell 30 T129 ATAK helicopters to Pakistan. Agreement that the total amount of exports made during the period was 1.5 billion dollars and was noted to be carried out so that the largest defense industry exports at a time in the history of Turkey. The Philippines also stated that the interest in the ATAK helicopter, in this context, Defense Industry Cooperation between the Philippines and Turkey Memorandum of Understanding was signed.

Seeking an alternative
At that time, it was reported that the first ATAK helicopter would be delivered to Pakistan in 2019, but the engine problem, one of the most important parts of the helicopter, appeared on the calendar. Turkish Aerospace Industry Inc. (TUSAŞ / TAI), ATAK helicopter uses CTS800 type engine produced by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), a joint venture between American Honeywell and British Rolls Royce. Since this engine is used in the helicopter, the US Department of Defense (Pentagon) needs permission to export it to another country. The Pentagon has not yet issued this permit. This permission is not expected to be issued in the short term at a time of threat from the United States due to S-400 missiles received from Russia.

At the end of last year it had taken place in the press news that the direction of the LHTEC engine to look for alternatives for the ATAK France, Poland and Turkey. However, Pakistan requires a re-test flight in the Himalayas if an ATAK helicopter uses engines from a country other than the US.
The first test of the turbocharger engine designed by TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii (TEI) as domestic helicopter engine was performed at the end of last year. Domestic helicopter engine to come to the mass production stage and can be used in the ATAK helicopter can be realized in the long term.
Turkey is currently in the Land Forces Command 41, a total of 47, including 6 ATTACK helikoper the Gendarmerie General Command was delivered.

Best alternative is AH-1Z
USA will never block sale if we pay them

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Sorry do share your expertise with us!
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You like it or not. The only agreement between the two countries, which is actually 2 - 3 targeting pods and a few marine electronics products, does not grant license rights to more than $ 3 billion spent on another. While there is Pakistan's 2700-km range missiles, Turkey is still only at the tactical level why this is also the reason why. Someone pampers someone in this forum every day, but there is nothing actually.

How ridiculous is it to get help from Turkey for developing Shaheen 3 top model and share the ownership rights, Atak 2, and T625 etc. helicopters, develop together with Pakistan and share the ownership rights, At least it's so ridiculous. It is a waste of unnecessary money for the main country.

As I said before, I'm not one of the audience who likes to deceiving himself on this forum.

 

[mingle]

If US blocks engines it means they will offer US more zulus 200% they always use these tricks

 

[BL33D]

https://ahvalnews.com/atak/turkeys-atak-helicopter-sale-pakistan-stalled-over-missing-engines-sol
The sale of Turkish-made T129 ATAK helicopter gunships to Pakistan has hit a stumbling block as no engines have been found for the gunships after the United States failed to issue the permit required for their delivery, communist news site SoL reported on Wednesday.

Turkey and Pakistan signed a $1.5 billion deal for the Turkish-made helicopter gunships on July 13, 2018. The delivery date of the first helicopter was pushed back after the U.S. Department of Defence last year refused to issue the Turkish company with an export license for the delivery of the gunships’ CTS800 engines.

Producers in France and Poland are being considered as potential suppliers of the engine, according to Hürriyet newspaper.

Meanwhile, 41 ATAK helicopters have been delivered to the Turkish Land Forces Command and six to the Gendarmerie General Command, SoL said.

The deal between Ankara and Islamabad sees for the delivery of 30 T129 ATAK helicopters to Pakistan. Pakistan’s current AH-1F Cobra gunships lack the capability to perform adequately over the higher altitudes of the Hindu Kush mountain range, separating Afghanistan and Pakistan, according to the country’s officials.

 

[Nein]

Once I heard the T129's had American engines I knew one day something bad was going to happen especially with Americans.

 

[BL33D]

Once I heard the T129's had American engines I knew one day something bad was going to happen especially with Americans.

S-400 hasnt gone well with the US, they will do anything to hurt turkey now, they already took a $500 million loss by kicking turkey out of F-35. Bcoz after Turkey and India, other countries are lining up. US can do only so much to India as it is not a NATO member. So turkey is the scapegoat. Lets see how it unfolds. I think they will find replacement engines if they didnt make their chasis to only fit the american engines. Hope they have some wiggle room.

 

[cloud4000]

All the result of Turkey's decision to acquire S-400 from Russia. US is already denying delivery of F-35, now it's refusing to issue licenses for helicopter engines. It's not going to end here. There's more to come.

 

[Max]

i already knew these deals will not realize till Pakistan improve its relations with US, No news about covertee project either.

PM IK should ask Trump to release our Cobra's and parts for Turkish deals. He will meet trump on 22 but i don't know whether this is even among his main concerns. lol

 

[Imran Khan]

in fact its good news for pakistan too we have stopped buying US weapons since 5 years and we don't want any US sh1t anymore now . turkey should find alternative engine .

i already knew these deals will not realize till Pakistan improve its relations with US, No news about covertee project either.

PM IK should ask Trump to release our Cobra's and parts for Turkish deals.

why pay money and be scared and begg ? why not just go china and buy z-10 simply ?.

 

[Max]

why pay money and be scared and begg ? why not just go china and buy z-10 simply ?.

PDF think Chinese Helis lack. I would rather Prefer Chinese or Russian 80% over Yankee 100% quality product.