PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[sathya]

Mirages are bloody expensive , we paid so much even without engine replacement.. ie 40 million$ per plane..

 

[he-man]

Mirages are bloody expensive , we paid so much even without engine replacement.. ie 40 million$ per plane..

100% KICKBACKS.
We buy a brand new mig-29k for 45 million+-$

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

They might be able to do so but the question is at what cost and to what benefit. The cost in retooling rejigging and getting spares will be so high we will crumble under the financial pressure. The next question is to what advantage when we do not know the platform and will have to develop new tactics on it which will defeat the very purpose of having them.
The question that I dont have an answer to is what happens when the sake platform loaded with the same missile comes face to face. Will the radars recognize each other as foes and fire their missiles. I know PAF has recently evaluated the option in 2005-06 and not gone for it.
The other more pertinent question is whether we can change its engine to RD 93 and save some costs some way as well as programme it to use AMRAAMS and AIM9S instead of the french options but again this would mean more expenses on a platform with minimal utility. So all in all it is a lost cause I am afraid.
Araz

In short it is similar to induct a completely new platform.

 

[he-man]

In short it is similar to induct a completely new platform.

When u need mlu etc french will make u pay more than a new block 52

 

[IrbiS]

Mirages are bloody expensive , we paid so much even without engine replacement.. ie 40 million$ per plane..

The original price from 80s?

 

[sathya]

100% KICKBACKS.
We buy a brand new mig-29k for 45 million+-$

Mig 29 k won't pay kickbacks ?

 

[he-man]

The original price from 80s?

No idea,,this is for modernizing 2000 to 2000-5 standard with some missile deals too.

 

[sathya]

When u need mlu etc french will make u pay more than a new block 52

That's what I am worried about rafale deal...., I can't even imagine how many billions we have to shell out..

For Pakistan it s either F 16 , or JF 17

Incase they want a air craft with RD 93 engine, also cheaper it's only Mig 29
Both Mig and Russia are in need of money,
Now that Russia has opened up weapons to Pakistan..

But will Pakistan buy mig 29 or 35 ?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

When u need mlu etc french will make u pay more than a new block 52

Still France sells technology.
F-16 Blk52's or F15's better for us.

 

[Hurter]

That's what I am worried about rafale deal...., I can't even imagine how many billions we have to shell out..

For Pakistan it s either F 16 , or JF 17

Incase they want a air craft with RD 93 engine, also cheaper it's only Mig 29
Both Mig and Russia are in need of money,
Now that Russia has opened up weapons to Pakistan..

But will Pakistan buy mig 29 or 35 ?

Mig 29 too old to buy. PAF would consider buying 5th Gen Stealth rather than SU35 in future.

 

[sathya]

Mig 29 too old to buy. PAF would consider buying 5th Gen Stealth rather than SU35 in future.

I meant mig 35 not su 35..

Su 35 will expensive ..

Mig 35 is the updated version of mig 29.. + 3d tvc + AESA

I was saying mig 29 as cheaper 2 nd hand alternatives that Pakistan is looking for after F 16 and JF 17

Since getting mirage 2009 and updating will be more expensive than new mig 29

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I meant mig 35 not su 35..

Su 35 will expensive ..

Mig 35 is the updated version of mig 29.. + 3d tvc + AESA

I was saying mig 29 as cheaper 2 nd hand alternatives that Pakistan is looking for after F 16 and JF 17

Since getting mirage 2009 and updating will be more expensive than new mig 29

If PAF wants a multi engined aircraft it would be F15 not Mig 29 or 35.

Simply the logistics, engines and maintenance would not be any different to F16's.

 

[IrbiS]

I meant mig 35 not su 35..

Su 35 will expensive ..

Mig 35 is the updated version of mig 29.. + 3d tvc + AESA

I was saying mig 29 as cheaper 2 nd hand alternatives that Pakistan is looking for after F 16 and JF 17

Since getting mirage 2009 and updating will be more expensive than new mig 29

There is no point in buying migs. If you say Flanker, we'll have to talk about it.

 

[sathya]

Mig 29 k are almost closer to flankers..

Russian themselves are opting mig 29 k than su 33 for their navy..

 

[IrbiS]

No idea,,this is for modernizing 2000 to 2000-5 standard with some missile deals too.

40 Million for upgrading 1 jet? It can't be