PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[ghazi52]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1502983786849472513

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[SABRE]

PAF giving a truly Jaw-Dropping media projection to the J-10s!
I'm lovin' it

They should lend this camera to PTV

 

[Waterboy]

Noob question, but can we integrate aselpod and spanish jammer on J-10?

 

[siegecrossbow]

PAF giving a truly Jaw-Dropping media projection to the J-10s!
I'm lovin' it

Video is great, but they did incorporate some of the J-10B TVC footage from Zhuhai 2018 in it! Hate to disappoint many people here but J-10C is not capable of post stall maneuvers.

 

[m52k85]

Hmm? My point is, are they now indeed already part of the 15th Squadron or was it more a formal or official induction like a "welcome to Pakistan and here we are"! ceremony?

No not just welcome but welcome to no.15. Half the commentary was about the accomplishments of No.15 and how it will continue to serve Pakistan using this jet.

J-10A & J-10C

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@SQ8 comparing these two pics would you say the skin of the 'C' is glued? I dont see many rivets like in the 'A'.

 

[TopGun786]

Video is great, but they did incorporate some of the J-10B TVC footage from Zhuhai 2018 in it! Hate to disappoint many people here but J-10C is not capable of post stall maneuvers.

I noticed too.

 

[m52k85]

@Raider 21 and other people, just out of interest, would you know which aircraft WC Imtiaz and his entourage (picutred above) are coming from?

 

[ghazi52]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1502984783319605254

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[Beast]

I have heard from some western that AESA seeker of that small size like in PL-15 is worse in performance than the regular seekers but has better ECCM capabilities? @Deino

Yes.. From western. They will always claim they are best and Chinese no good. You think western knows better than Chinese?

 

[tphuang]

I have heard from some western that AESA seeker of that small size like in PL-15 is worse in performance than the regular seekers but has better ECCM capabilities? @Deino

In general, aesa technology is more advanced. It's better at eccm, harder to get picked up by opposing maw and should generate more power for longer track range. As such, against more advanced target aircraft, it should have a better chance of tracking them at range. There were some earlier aesa radar (like the one Japanese f2) that didn't perform as well as mechanical scanned radar, but that's probably because the developers lacked experience in building modern radar. There is no evidence that chinas avionics industry lack experience in this area. Maybe some westerners are just alarmed by pl15's capabilities. When it first came out, this really rang alarms in us military establishment. Even now, the stated goals of USAF with new project is to surpass pl15. Clearly, they are worried about the range and seeker of the latest aim120d vs pl15.

The problem for them is that china is also developing new aam with ramjet propulsion. As such, even if aim260 becomes better than pl15, the next generation Chinese long range aam will have advantages.

The fact that china has developed the first aesa seeker on aam means that it will have more experience in this area and has a leg up in future seekers also.

not that simple...200km range is believable for a target with a large RCS, maybe less for targets with a small RCS. Having said that, the million dollar question is that how are the J10C AESA radars and the PL15 AESA radars are at picking up and locking onto targets with a small RCS.

Well iaf doesn't have anything with small rcs. J10c radar is good enough that rafale ew suite shouldn't be able to confuse it from far out. Maybe it won't be able to track it from 100 km out consistently. But it should be able to do this consistently from beyond pl15 nez. And I would bet on pl15 seeker over meteor any day of the week. Aesa technology is just better.

That is something that baffles me, like IAF chief himself said, even if everything goes to plan, they will be at 35 squadrons by next decade, they are already at 30-31 now, with all the retirements of Mig-29, M2000, Jag, M21, and planned inductions of Tejas More rafales (definitely after J-10) and FGFA. they will still be at marginally more number aircraft of around 700 compared to around 650 today. And we are talking about 15 years down the line at least.

There is something seriously wrong with IAF and their domestic production and procurement or am i missing something. Like money has not been an issue and indian economy would be much bigger in future.

If you are trying to be a great power, then you need to have your own domestic military industrial complex. All the money in the world will not get you modern military hardware unless you can build it yourself. The continued incompetence of India's defense industry will mean Pakistan will have technological advantage over them for many years to come.

 

[Thrust_Vector998]

@Raider 21 and other people, just out of interest, would you know which aircraft WC Imtiaz and his entourage (picutred above) are coming from?

If I'm not wrong, he's from the Viper

 

[redgriffin]

J-10A & J-10C

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Regardless of capability, I've always thought of the J-10A as the best of the lot (in terms of looks). Easily rivals the Viper in the aggression exuded by its design. The B & C honestly from front on look like an F-32 which has had gastric banding done.

 

[siegecrossbow]

In general, aesa technology is more advanced. It's better at eccm, harder to get picked up by opposing maw and should generate more power for longer track range. As such, against more advanced target aircraft, it should have a better chance of tracking them at range. There were some earlier aesa radar (like the one Japanese f2) that didn't perform as well as mechanical scanned radar, but that's probably because the developers lacked experience in building modern radar. There is no evidence that chinas avionics industry lack experience in this area. Maybe some westerners are just alarmed by pl15's capabilities. When it first came out, this really rang alarms in us military establishment. Even now, the stated goals of USAF with new project is to surpass pl15. Clearly, they are worried about the range and seeker of the latest aim120d vs pl15.

The problem for them is that china is also developing new aam with ramjet propulsion. As such, even if aim260 becomes better than pl15, the next generation Chinese long range aam will have advantages.

The fact that china has developed the first aesa seeker on aam means that it will have more experience in this area and has a leg up in future seekers also.

Well iaf doesn't have anything with small rcs. J10c radar is good enough that rafale ew suite shouldn't be able to confuse it from far out. Maybe it won't be able to track it from 100 km out consistently. But it should be able to do this consistently from beyond pl15 nez. And I would bet on pl15 seeker over meteor any day of the week. Aesa technology is just better.

If you are trying to be a great power, then you need to have your own domestic military industrial complex. All the money in the world will not get you modern military hardware unless you can build it yourself. The continued incompetence of India's defense industry will mean Pakistan will have technological advantage over them for many years to come.

I think that depends on what you define as low RCS. Rafale is not true stealth, but it has one of the lowest RCS of any fourth gen. It is the only fourth generation aircraft to incorporate sawtooth panels, something that not even Su-57 has achieved.

 

[Jinn Baba]

PAF giving a truly Jaw-Dropping media projection to the J-10s!
I'm lovin' it

Wow! Just wow!

ISPR really needs to learn from PAF and this induction!

I seriously hope the Block 3s get similar unvailing.

 

[The Terminator]

So what's that opening?? Did they forget to put a lid on it or something??
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