PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[TheSolution]

China never declares real range. Even if they are writing something on the card don't believe it. That is just for show to MTCR and other organizations. And that is how it should be. Real deal is always different. Pakistan if has gone for PL 15 means its range is 200 KM and more. Pakistan won't go for PL 15 until Pakistan is sure the range matches or exceeds that of Meteor.

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I think there should be a separate missile thread, they are just as important as the aircraft itself

 

[GumNaam]

China never declares real range. Even if they are writing something on the card don't believe it. That is just for show to MTCR and other organizations. And that is how it should be. Real deal is always different. Pakistan if has gone for PL 15 means its range is 200 KM and more. Pakistan won't go for PL 15 until Pakistan is sure the range matches or exceeds that of Meteor.

not that simple...200km range is believable for a target with a large RCS, maybe less for targets with a small RCS. Having said that, the million dollar question is that how are the J10C AESA radars and the PL15 AESA radars are at picking up and locking onto targets with a small RCS.

 

[leviathan]

I remember some Chinese members stating its range at 300km lol

Seems so far the only difference for PL-15 and PL-15E is the DUAL-PULSE SOLID ROCKET MOTOR. PL-15 has a ability to adjust the pluse. At 30sec interval, the maximum range will be 185km. PL-15E with one burn have 145km.

 

[Ghessan]

Hi sorry to be little off topic abouT PL15 range
can any one confirm what USA is offering at the moment
(not to PAF) to the world with max amram wise
I’m sure PL15 will be Almost same like it
another thing need to keep in mind is what USA is developing at the moment for their own sake obviously China won’t be offering to anyone if they already in a position to counter it
once USA start rolling out long range really a very long range missile. China too will start delivering it to her near & dear ally
so let’s see and wait until then
PS this is the first J10c order exported out of country withPL15 China won’t let her reputation spoiled by supplying inferior to something to counter PAF adversary
thank you

with US geopolitical interests and conflicts in regions and imposing wars provide opportunities for NATO countries to induct their assets into those conflict zones and test their capabilities but no challenging environment from opposing airforces.
on the other hand it was Israel once with such scenarios who has now successfully negate those challenges again with geopolitics and diplomacy.
what we are left with is Indo-Pak conflicts which are going nowhere in the near future, provides opportunity to throw assets at each other.
who would not want their technology applied, tested and improved upon in such an environment which gives a lot of information (swift retort)
i assume PAF has best asset in the form of J-10 with all the goodies came along. Let's wait for an adventure and we all will see.
China has for the first time deliver an air asset to another country that it would love to see performing to excel.

 

[HuangHe]

Disappointed with PAF getting PL-15E which has reduced range, and not the full range version.

There is a technology on PL15 even American doesn’t have. China want to keep the secret secured.

 

[SABRE]

why are they speaking in english?

They are speaking to certain other countries, not Pakistan.

 

[Ghessan]

Sorry, I missed the good point.
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PM: lekin rafael ager .....
ACM: fikar na karein PM saab, aisa danda dein gaye wapis nahin jaye ga ...

 

[leviathan]

not that simple...200km range is believable for a target with a large RCS, maybe less for targets with a small RCS. Having said that, the million dollar question is that how are the J10C AESA radars and the PL15 AESA radars are at picking up and locking onto targets with a small RCS.

I think you folks put too much attention into individual weapon. Today's air war is the system vs. system.

Pakistan chooses a full package of Chinese AEW&C, radar, fighter and air defence missile. I'm sure Pakistan brought the data link that can link everything up. In an air skirmish, AEW&C detect and track enemy plane. JF-17/J10C keep a safe distance and position them in best BVR position and went in. In the entire process, JF-17/J10C doesn't even need to turn on its radar at all. AEW&C able to control and fire pl15. The fighter is just a weapon delivery platform.

A upgrade version for that is PLAAF's next gen air combat system. (Same as US airforce with F35)
In this system, AEW&C is act like eye and brain from a safe distance. It search and tracks the enemy movement and feed the data into the J20S and its UAV gang.
The stealth gang is act like fists that you can't see them until it about to hit your face. J20s with its radar turn off for maxmiun stealth will only be a front line data hub to control the UAV to do the air combat. And a fearless high intelligent UAV that can easily do 10G maneuver will be a nightmare for any fighter.

On the other side, a Russia AEW&C with French fighter and missile. The infomation exchange between those two probably not better than you play a COD with your teammate...

 

[White privilege]

So what's that opening?? Did they forget to put a lid on it or something??

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Here a bit larger:

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Have you/anyone got each individual shot?

 

[sahureka2]

 

[nomi007]

Cant understand why Indians are making fun of PL-15. They are claiming we got Pl-15E variant not PLAAF variant which ranges 200kms to 300kms.

 

[truthseeker2010]

It was a welcome ceremony but they are becoming part of 15th squadron which co incidentally Air Chief had also headed in his young days.

that's no coincidence, that's a tradition.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Think about it this way. IAF has no realistic path to a true 5th generation aircraft in the next 5 years and maybe not even the next 10 years. Su-57 is not a real stealth aircraft. F-35 won't be available to IAF unless India gives up on its neutral foreign policy positions and give up Russian military hardware. As such, Rafale is the best aircraft they will have for the foreseeable future.

On the other hand, either J-20 or FC-31 will be available to PAF in a few years. India will indeed be facing a lot of pressures.

There are certain problems that even having a lot of money can't solve. India has that right now.

Rafale deal controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

actually India paid over $200 million per Rafale.

That is something that baffles me, like IAF chief himself said, even if everything goes to plan, they will be at 35 squadrons by next decade, they are already at 30-31 now, with all the retirements of Mig-29, M2000, Jag, M21, and planned inductions of Tejas More rafales (definitely after J-10) and FGFA. they will still be at marginally more number aircraft of around 700 compared to around 650 today. And we are talking about 15 years down the line at least.

There is something seriously wrong with IAF and their domestic production and procurement or am i missing something. Like money has not been an issue and indian economy would be much bigger in future.