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Hi,
And you call those posts worth anything at all. Those are posts which are made by gathering information and putting it together in one place---and there is nothing ORIGINAL of his own in---no input. And if that is what you are impressed of---that is a sad story---.


There was life before he got on PDF---in his old form---he condemned pakistan---called it a beggar nation---stated that pakistan will never get anything from china---pakistan has nothing to offer---.

As for the F15---with 22 missiles loaded as that poster stated---it is vulnerable to any other 4.5 gen aircraft with an equally capable BVR missile.

You kids just love to post numbers---thinking like they are everything.
I was only saying that PAF should focus on the jets which should be capable of carrying more missiles
No offense but what lets say 4 J-10 in a cap mission do when group of fighter jet approaching them from different sector Cz they dont have enough weapon to engage them all ?
One credible answer is our HQ-9 and other SAMs will handle them !
But what if we want to go deep into enemy territory ? Lets say we want to hit IAF central command, We need these Truck of missiles to fight against A swarm of Russian fighter jets.
PAF should go for a that kind of jet
Should I elaborate more ?
@LeGenD @SQ8
Hope you understand what I want to say :)
 


WOW!!!! Thats a stunning news! Indigenous AESA radar at par with latest western equipment! That too employing the superior GaN technology instead of GaA! If I remember correctly rafale still uses GaA right? Wow.. that's big news and kindles new hope for our R&D & industrial capabilities! It means Alhamdolillah project AZM is going right on track! Hopefully more fruits to come soon!
 
WOW!!!! Thats a stunning news! Indigenous AESA radar at par with latest western equipment! Wow.. that's big news and kindles new hope for our R&D & industrial capabilities! It means Alhamdolillah project AZM is going right on track! Hopefully more fruits to come soon!
In Sha Allah Project Azm’s NGFA will become a reality
 
WOW!!!! Thats a stunning news! Indigenous AESA radar at par with latest western equipment! That too employing the superior GaN technology instead of GaA! If I remember correctly rafale still uses GaA right? Wow.. that's big news and kindles new hope for our R&D & industrial capabilities! It means Alhamdolillah project AZM is going right on track! Hopefully more fruits to come soon!
Yes and No.. but @JamD and @Bilal Khan (Quwa) have already outlined why in the relevant thread.
 
Yes and No.. but @JamD and @Bilal Khan (Quwa) have already outlined why in the relevant thread.

I won't discount the possibility that purposeful misinformation is being spread. Having said that, even if there's no indigenous jet coming. Radar, Avionics, Computer modules, plus other component's production is equally important. I hope still R&D + Education, HR & Skill development part of it is still going on.
 
I won't discount the possibility that purposeful misinformation is being spread. Having said that, even if there's no indigenous jet coming. Radar, Avionics, Computer modules, plus other component's production is equally important. I hope still R&D + Education, HR & Skill development part of it is still going on.
It is but like all things it takes time, dedicated hardwork and qualified intelligent leadership to develop.
It is like a waterfall effect that will come through eventually.

The nuclear program or JF-17 has a great history but the story of Pakistan’s UAV ambitions also deserves a little piece of history.
 
Heh, to be honest I'm one of those who think J-10C isn't truly nessesary for PAF. I didn't claim anything, since I wasn't active here at the time. My thought was, is having an aircraft with the capabilty of, at most, one and a half JF-17BLK3, worth all the trouble of inducting something entirely new? I still think the J-10C purchase was either very forward looking(In my opinion the JF-17 platform is near its limits, and PAF may benefit from further developments of J-10 by PLA) or political in nature. Anyway, not here to debate this.

In my opinion there are two main reasons people don't think China sells their top of the line stuff:

1, The technology is sensitive. US don't sell their F-22, B-1B or B-2. They only sell F-35 to a handful of allies they trust. Whenever a F-35 is at risk of falling into untrusted hands(I.E. that crash in South China Sea from a few weeks ago), they get extremely nervous. I don't see China being much different. The examples you've listed(European stuff, I presume Rafale, EF2000, Gripen) are all 4th gen. Of course it's less sensitive, it's older tech. China in the past have done the same, they sold their best fighter at the time - the J-7. But J-7 is nowhere near the cutting edge even then.

2, Chinese aircraft manufacturers are all state owned. Their priority is to satisfy the demand of the PLA, not chasing profit. The PLA generates such a huge amount of demand that they never had to worry about finding buyers. Even if the manufacturers want to sell them abroad, they still have to go through all the red tape from the central government. When it comes to security, China is very insecure (heh). You can tell by them barely releasing any training footage or blurring cockpit footage of 15 year old aircrafts for fear of leaking sensitive information. So marketing and selling to non-Chinese customers was never of much interest to Chinese aircraft manufacturers.

Hi,

Maybe your don't have understandung of new aircrafts---. The JF17 BLK3 needs to go thru integration. It would be atleast a minimum of 5 years that we will have capable pilots to fly this machine.

A good integration time period is between 8 to 10 years. The J10;s have already gone thru the weapons integration process. The new thing is the aesa radar and that is a different beast.

The senior pilots have to UN-LEARN their previous air to air combat techniques and learn to adjust to using aesa and COME TO TERMS THAT IT PRESENTS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AIR COMBAT EXPERIENCE.

Paf pilots have been in flight training on the J10C for over 2 years now---but really no experience on the BLK 3 other than on computer screen.

It surprises me that you have commented with confidence but did not know the basics of inducting a new fighter aircraft or a new advanced fighter aircraft.

To be honest, I am one of those people. I have argued that PAF does not need J10 as it already has a working AESA, PL15 mounted possibly on Dual racks, and a host of other armaments none of whom would otherwise have been possible. However, I conceded that the rapidity with which J10 could replace the obsolete fighters could not be achieved by JFT alone. Secondly Induction of J10 now provides us another Hi platform in the hi-lo pattern in which PAF prepares for battle. Lastly, J10 has given PAF some guarantees against sanction of its premier platform F16, as well as the ease with which one could get spares and attrition replacement. We are all happy to have J10 in PAF colours. So the argument was actually not against the J10 per se, but the reasons for its induction.
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And still you have not apologized.
 
The J-10CP is training for the military parade:cheers:
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The poster must have meant to say respectable by way of manners, civility and being addressed. Knowledge based respect among the group is different than what he meant. I guess so.

yes "knowledge based" indeed the problem is here.

and not mere given facts and figures (anyone can attain that info) upon which we grow ourselves a repute generally. when someone's readers are common people (mostly) and that praise come from the likes all around. where is knowledge which if one cannot share because he or she don't have it?

i just don't understand when will people grow up to understand these petty things. i mean really... do we need to make this forum a school? to me it is not, let it be what it is. it is not some published paper which has its own ethics to follow.

people present themselves here and are very well judged who is a naive, a figures man, a book worm or knowledgeable.

problem starts when people could not differentiate between them.
 

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