PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Windjammer]

A beautiful model of a J-10C has replaced the JF-17 outside Kamra.
@Windjammer @Hodor

I guess it means if not the assembly/Manufacture then the overall and future upgrades of the type will be done by PAC.

 

[Trailer23]

If you're going to put a foreign fighter, should've been the F-16, it's a beauty

I agree with the F-16 being a beauty, however the Viper has no links with Kamra.

Besides, there are plenty of F-16 models outside various bases.

 

[baqai]

A beautiful model of a J-10C has replaced the JF-17 outside Kamra.
@Windjammer @Hodor

does this indicates that we are doing some manufacturing of parts?

 

[Trailer23]

does this indicates that we are doing some manufacturing of parts?

Hard to say, all I know is that the JF-17 model was replaced earlier today with the J-10 model.

'nuff said.

 

[siegecrossbow]

it is true and these were PL-15s, not PL-15E which the neighbors have been hoping was what was delivered to Pakistan. As more informed members have pointed out earlier, Pakistan will continue to outstick its neighbor in BVR for the foreseeable future.


He is having a PG-13 conversation for sure. But yes, there is a lot of things happening which you don’t need to be an insider to figure out.

Speaking of PL-15, I've actually uncovered a public research paper that could potentially shed light on performance speculations. Do keep in mind that the paper states that the figures are "simulated data" and don't refer to any specific AAM, but some of the stats are very interesting.

The table lists the maximum range of AAM depending on the duration of time that elapses between the two pulses of a dual-pulse rocket motor. Under the head-on condition, the maximum range occurs when there is a 30 second gap between firing. If the gap between firing is 0s, the head-on maximum range is -- SURPRISE -- 145KM. The number matches too closely with the official specs on PL-15E for me not to take notice. What do you call a dual-pulse rocket motor with no pause between firing? A plain old single-pulse rocket motor.

This pretty much confirmed my suspicion that PL-15E does not feature dual-pulse rocket motor. It also shows that if dual pulse is used in optimal intervals, the unnerfed PL-15 could hit 182KM range.

 

[Trailer23]

does this indicates that we are doing some manufacturing of parts?

Furth more, bare in mind that No. 15 Squadron (Cobras) are going to be based at Kamra.

It may just be a symbol of the first to receive the J-10's. A model does not indicate ToT or manufacturing of parts.

 

[aliyusuf]

For a while I also thought that J-10's performance gap with JF-17 was not big enough to justify a buy decision. This too was based on opinion of retired PAF chief (I forget his name).

Could the retired CAS have expressed his point of view before the introduction of the J-10C variant?

 

[Chak Bamu]

Could the retired CAS have expressed his point of view before the introduction of the J-10C variant?

I think so. This was a number of years ago. Someone else might be able to recall it better than I. But even with improvements of J-10C, the jet is basically the same - range, payload, aerodynamics; only the avionics & sensors are upgraded. Rafale's arrival in IAF, current state of the economy, and the rapid Chinese progress in aviation industry made the decision for us, I believe.

 

[White privilege]

A beautiful model of a J-10C has replaced the JF-17 outside Kamra.
@Windjammer @Hodor

JF-17 can't really be replaced at Kamra.Even if no operational squadron is stationed there, Kamra would likely remain the manufacture and maintenance hub of Thunder.

 

[Trailer23]

JF-17 can't really be replaced at Kamra.Even if no operational squadron is stationed there, Kamra would likely remain the manufacture and maintenance hub of Thunder.

Well, I have the image with me. Now unless someone else posts it - i'm gonna hold on to it for a few weeks.

Besides, no one is replacing JF-17 at Kamra as its still the place where JF-17's are built/manufactured.

However, its just a model. Its doesn't truly hold any value other than represent the Squadron that will be operating the J-10's.

As for the image, i'm not releasing it just to score a few brownie points on [PDF].

 

[White privilege]

Well, I have the image with me. Now unless someone else posts it - i'm gonna hold on to it for a few weeks.

Besides, no one is replacing JF-17 at Kamra as its still the place where JF-17's are built/manufactured.

However, its just a model. Its doesn't truly hold any value other than represent the Squadron that will be operating the J-10's.

As for the image, i'm not releasing it just to score a few brownie points on [PDF].

 

[Raider 21]

Should've kept JF-17 due to the Pakistani connection

If you're going to put a foreign fighter, should've been the F-16, it's a beauty

The first model placed outside Kamra was a F-16. It was a beautiful one (very detailed Serial 82701) I recall, gifted from General Dynamics. I'm not sure what's it has been replaced with, it was reported to have still been there in 2012.

 

[alikazmi007]

I think they flew between 9 and 11

If paparazzi can get a pic of Margret Thatcher in a thong, we can get a few decent pics of J-10s over Islamabad!

 

[Reichmarshal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501515921655046145

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501516322794094594

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501516684468830208

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501517095636508674

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501517942760030213

I would consider this with the pinch of salt, if this is the only source bring relied upon. As it mentions a jf 17 block 4.....now theirs no block 4 as things stand right now.
Like the man says nuf said .....

 

[iLION12345_1]

Yeah, I tried it already. I doesn't allow video files to be uploaded. It is saying the uploaded file does not have an allowed extension.

Have you found a way to upload that video? Can you try uploading it to YT?