PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[ARMalik]

Omg here we go...su35 now ...see what rumour mill does

I am looking for another 50 pages at least.

 

[siegecrossbow]

As a side note - the AL31F engines have some design flaws, which led to the crash of a number of J10's and also causes all kinds of bother for the Su30MKI fleet in India.

Russia has point blank refused to fix the AL-31F and is instead focussing on the AL-41 engine for the Su-57 series.

So, while the RD-33 has done a good job in PAF service, it does not mean all Russian engines are equally as good.

( i dont see PAF going for AL-31Fs at all. If you conside Azm aswell, then PAF may want to settle around a chinese WS-series engine that will mature over time and one that could potentially be used for the 5th Gen fighter aswell ..).

Let's see.

The flaw is with the single engine variant (ALl-31FN/Series 3). Apparently there is problem with lubrication under certain parameters and in serious cases it could cause the engine shaft to break and the engine to disintegrate. I don’t think that the MKI’s crashes have much to do with the engine.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

@messiach claims on PDF:
1) Pakistan is working on indeginous ramjet powered AAM.
2) J10 coming with Al 31 engine
3)Local assembly of AESA radars.
4) Russian support for NGFA.

Except point no.3, others are just unbelievable.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

May be Russians have put such a condition that in order to get continuous support and availability of RD93 for thunders , you have to buy engines from Russia only. Also this may pave way for flankers possiblity as well in near by future . At least this is how Russia can also make some money from Pakistan CHINA collaboration projects. Hi5 for all three countries !

 

[TNT]

I would take this with a HUGE grain of salt ... her claims, the Block 3 would have dramatic changes to the rear fuselage, would feature a wing with wider span and different aspect ration and anyone could see it without giving any proof led me to question her credibility after she returned. In fact i would love to be corrected and even more to learn more, but like some other members who often enough pop up with quite unrealistic and unbelievable claims, she also refuses to explain. That's fine if she likes so but IMO not helpful to find the truth.

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When someone make tall claims in ambiguous language in two liner statements and then never explain anything and disappear, it points to them being a troll or rumor spreader. These claims made are childish at best and shows the person doesnt know anything and just spreading propaganda.

 

[CriticalThought]

As a side note - the AL31F engines have some design flaws, which led to the crash of a number of J10's and also causes all kinds of bother for the Su30MKI fleet in India.

Russia has point blank refused to fix the AL-31F and is instead focussing on the AL-41 engine for the Su-57 series.

So, while the RD-33 has done a good job in PAF service, it does not mean all Russian engines are equally as good.

( i dont see PAF going for AL-31Fs at all. If you conside Azm aswell, then PAF may want to settle around a chinese WS-series engine that will mature over time and one that could potentially be used for the 5th Gen fighter aswell ..).

Let's see.

The reason why RD-93 has performed so well is because PAF took over the responsibility of maintaining it. They went to France to get the capability of repairing harnesses on hot areas of the engines, as an example.

 

[Beast]

When someone make tall claims in ambiguous language in two liner statements and then never explain anything and disappear, it points to them being a troll or rumor spreader. These claims made are childish at best and shows the person doesnt know anything and just spreading propaganda.

Its not the first time, plenty of such nonsense as claim quote from twitter or BS claim of insider info for many other incident.

 

[Trango Towers]

The reason why RD-93 has performed so well is because PAF took over the responsibility of maintaining it. They went to France to get the capability of repairing harnesses on hot areas of the engines, as an example.

What harnesses?

 

[RangeMaster]

"TOT has been made part of every defence acquisition/deal now", MODP Yearbook 2020-21.

2 squadrons of J15s have landed. 3rd one in negotiations. A squadron+ of JH7s have landed but are grounded due to engine issues. (Khafee leaks)

JF17 blk3 has structural changes with wider wings and bigger fuselage. Pakistan has acquired TOT for AL31. (Messiah leaks)

Troll level # 9999999

 

[CriticalThought]

What harnesses?

Them harnesses:

IDEAS 2016: Pakistan Aeronautical Complex signs MoU with French company

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex has signed a memorandum of understanding with a French company…

quwa.org

 

[VkdIndian]

If the flypast has to take place on 23 Mar then the pilots have to be under training already. Means - the deal would have been signed long back without it coming out in open. Selection and routing of pilots to China would also have been done in complete secrecy.
Credit to all those involved to keep such a thing under wraps.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[Beast]

"TOT has been made part of every defence acquisition/deal now", MODP Yearbook 2020-21.



2 squadrons of J15s have landed. 3rd one in negotiations. A squadron+ of JH7s have landed but are grounded due to engine issues. (Khafee leaks)
JF17 blk3 has structural changes with wider wings and bigger fuselage. Pakistan has acquired TOT for AL31. (Messiah leaks)

Troll level # 9999999

Soon it will claim, China also transfer ToT tech for Type 003 aircraft carrier or 055 destroyer to PN.

 

[Titanium100]

Soon it will claim, China also transfer ToT tech for Type 003 aircraft carrier or 055 destroyer to PN.

Does an aircraft carrier have ToT? I thought it was a simple giant to build but costly

 

[JawadKKhan]

Well Bro if you want to nit pick , then he did say that PAF will do the flypast with JS-10 chinese aircraft . So do you think PAF will be doing flypast with PLAAF aircraft? Is that what you think he meant?

So PAF will get pilots trained to fly 'JS-10' just to do a fly past in a parade? And PLAAF will gladly loan their aircraft for someone else to do a flypast with?

PAF is getting J-10C that part is cleared. Otherwise PAF would have dismissed all the rumors after media reports. But Whether PAF J-10Cs will do the fly past Or the PLAAF jets that's not clear yet. Other country team do participate in such events especially when there is close military relationships. e.g. Turkish team do the solo fly past. I am not saying for sure that it will be chinese team, but the possibility is there. Because time is very less. Its highly unlikely that if PAF jets arrive just before Parade and will participate as well. Remember, Pilots have to practice a lot for these airshows. So I think time is very low unless planes arrive this month or early next month.

BTW! J-10c had participated in 2019 parade as well. see below:

So, I think the only thing that is clear for now is that PAF is getting J-10s But it is not yet clear that whether it will be PAF J-10s or J-10s of chinese aerobatic team in the upcoming parade Or both perhaps a fly past of 4 PAF J-10s followed by this aerobatic team show.