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Really puts into perspective how small and efficient the F-16 design really is. The JF-17 is probably darn near close to the same size as the F-16. Really hope future JF-17s get the WS-19 and future J-10s get the WS-15 to allow their designs to show their true capabilities in much the same way the F-16 has been able to be fully developed with the Block 60 and Block 70.
WS-15 is not for j10c its super high thrust class engine if China want to install WS-15 than they need to redesign j10c at least from rear WS-10B with 14.5 ton of thrust is enough for j10c this engine is in the same class as block 60 and 70 f16 Sir

Are you moron? All Pakistanis I have talked of are Pro-China. Pakistani and Chinese interests are aligned.

This has made us friends.
Because india common cause yes we are slaves to China
 
WS-15 is not for j10c its super high thrust class engine if China want to install WS-15 than they need to redesign j10c at least from rear WS-10B with 14.5 ton of thrust is enough for j10c this engine is in the same class as block 60 and 70 f16 Sir


Because india common cause yes we are slaves to China

The Eurofighter’s engines are still being improved, so are the Rafale’s engines as well, why not the J-10 as well .

If the J-10 is to keep pace in not only expanding the envelope the plane can operate within in the A2A Role, but improvements in the electrical power it can generate to power a J-10D EW variant, redesign to fit a more powerful engine should also be kept in mind.

Inevitability the WS-15 will get funding for further development, such that soon enough a variable cycle version will be available. With such an engine, a longer range J-10 will be possible, and allow the PAF to procure a very capable naval strike and naval escort/interceptor to deal with the carrier and land based Rafale IAF threat.

If we plan to induct the J-10 in large numbers, and operate it for decades to come, I hope we are planning for its eventual evolution in line with our emerging challenges.
 
Thats where I disagree with @Raider 21 China would not put dead switches on their ally.

Today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies if particular interests diverge. There was never such a thing as an ally in real politics, just permanent interests. You don't see the Chinese tout its relationship as much as the Pakistanis do about the Chinese.

Start thinking outside the box.
 
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Free Mind and Thoughts.
Free mind and thoughts can only happen when the lotas choor and gandoos are sent packing to the grave and Pakistan is liberated with trained teachers and individuals at the helm who offer justice and freedom. Can you think freely in prison? Pakistan is an open air prison when the police military judges and corrupt politicians can do what they want.

What do you mean dude???
Is Pakistan free?
 
Free mind and thoughts can only happen when the lotas choor and gandoos are sent packing to the grave and Pakistan is liberated with trained teachers and individuals at the helm who offer justice and freedom. Can you think freely in prison? Pakistan is an open air prison when the police military judges and corrupt politicians can do what they want.


Is Pakistan free?

I think you got it wrong, It's a cause-effect thing. You need to free mind and thought first then everything happened and here comes the role of leadership. Think how nations gets freedom?
 
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its baseless and nonsensical. use of such a kill switch would literally kill US industries,

I tend to strongly agree with that. As a matter of fact, there was a USAF F-15 pilot (his callsign was 'Chogy' as well as his username) who used to participate in an old forum we were active on from way back in 2008 and was even a member here on PDF back in the early 2010s for a few years. We were having this exact discussion, and because no other F-16 is under stricter rules and restrictions than the EAF's batch, the subject was centered on if there was an infamous "kill-switch" in them that the US had rigged so they could never be used against the apartheid state.

Well, he laughed and thought it was the silliest paranoia out there and then said exactly what you said that not only did he find it highly improbable, but nothing based on his many years as a USAF student in the academy, a F-15C pilot in Germany hunting down Warsaw Pact MiG-21s, a training instructor in the T-38 Talon and later an airline pilot with American Airlines would suggest there was the presence of these kill switches. Then he reiterated the same thing you said which is if they had to use this phantom button for whatever reason, think of what it would cause to not only the manufacturer (General Dynamics at the time) but the entire #1 military products export nation in the world. It would practically ruin its reputation and even make its life miserable as all its allies would be reluctant to not only purchase its jets but trust it to but any other equipment. It all made sense.

and in the case of such a kill switch, we would see it being used in Iran,

In the F-14s? Yes, good point I hadn't thought of that one. Even though FBW technology with quadruple redundancy systems and advanced computer software didn't really make their way into fighter jets until the F-16 (where all this crazy kill switch business mostly originated from) and wasn't available in the Tomcat, it still was a highly advanced aircraft.

Speaking of Iran, another good example would've been the RQ-170 Sentinel. If such a kill switch existed, I think the most plausible platform to have it installed in would've been all the US secret stealth drones that were flying and spying on all the post-911 terrorist camps and Iran's military & nuclear assets. Instead, it was Iran according to their press release that hacked into the drone control software and brought it down. No kill switch in that bad boy.

Infact, we didnt even see it be used by the us during the OBL raid, rather, they succumbed to ECM.

That's another good point, it might be relatively simple technology to have something similar to OnStar disabling mode in cars, but the risk of installing such systems in $50+ million aircraft is too risky, especially when the focus is much more on preventing the shutting down and disabling of systems to prevent critical failures as much as possible. The emphasis is much greater on high levels of critical hardware & software, failsafe procedures to prevent failures & premature accidents as well as premature engines shut-downs.
 
In the last two months PAF has received a guarantied loan of 508 million USD from China. Does anyone what this money is for and whether this signals a further order for J-10's?

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Don't bring politics in every threads its ruins the thread
Looooool bro..the generals run the politics...there is no politician..the military has ruined pakistan and you talk of not talking politics. Tell me why IK is in prison is the so called military isn't behind it
 
Looooool bro..the generals run the politics...there is no politician..the military has ruined pakistan and you talk of not talking politics. Tell me why IK is in prison is the so called military isn't behind it
Oh troll this is J10 thread why you bringing politics in every thread???
 
Oh troll this is J10 thread why you bringing politics in every thread???
Troll..

Shall I call you names to?

Understand j10 cannot be purchased with your gandoo generals and lotay politicians..no j10 will work to defend pakistan when you have ganfoos at the helm.

People like you resort to name calling when you are empty. Just noise arnt you

No j10s will save you when the country is sold. Hq is London and you are pompom waving for the j10 looool
 
Troll..

Shall I call you tatty choop?

Understand j10 cannot be purchased with your gandoo generals and lotay politicians..these haramis that you are giving your gand to gave away east pakistan. Buckled in kargil but pompom wallay like you call me troll. Go f yourself
Not again this thread for j10c you will continue your blabbering in Pakistani siasat section but not here dude this thread is tech detail and doctrine using j10c you can continue your blabbering in other threads in siasat section but not here dude
 

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