PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

You are not the only one---. Majority is in the same boat as you are---.

No information has been leaked out yet---.


Hi,

We already have one in place---the Illyushin ( corrected )---.

Hi,

Even the F-16 BLK 52's that Paf has---has a veil of secrecy over what it has inside of it.

 

[TsAr]

Not the IAF
They threw in their chips with the heavy, massive rcs elephant that is the mki, then with the ridiculously expensive Rafale and will look desperate not fulfilling their commitment to the Tejas.

Their best bet is to throw in the towel and go all in on the F-35. That will grant them the permanent edge over PAF

IAF would have to sweeten the deal by adding a few squadrons of F-18

 

[SQ8]

IAF would have to sweeten the deal by adding a few squadrons of F-18

It is possible but the IAF obsession with romanticism on WVR means they will have to really change their doctrine.

 

[TsAr]

It is possible but the IAF obsession with romanticism on WVR means they will have to really change their doctrine.

logical thing to do would be to buy more Rafale for IN and IAF and get rid of the Mig-23's and replace them with Tejas

 

[SQ8]

logical thing to do would be to buy more Rafale for IN and IAF and get rid of the Mig-23's and replace them with Tejas

Mig-23s are already gone. Their replacement is the Rafale.
Tejas was to replace the Bisons but they are just slow at it.

IAF has a lot of money but the Rafale isn’t cheap either

 

[iLION12345_1]

logical thing to do would be to buy more Rafale for IN and IAF and get rid of the Mig-23's and replace them with Tejas

Not logical at all unless india can produce Rafale locally and in the process threaten their local fighters, india missed an opportunity to place follow up orders for the Rafale when it ordered its first batch, if they order more now they’ll have to wait until after 2030 to get them because of the huge backlog of orders. The success of the rafale is proving to be an annoyance to some.

 

[TheSolution]

It is possible but the IAF obsession with romanticism on WVR means they will have to really change their doctrine.

Really? I thought Pakistan romanticised WVR the most, and India was the first to achieve BVR in the region which we largely neglected?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Really? I thought Pakistan romanticised WVR the most, and India was the first to achieve BVR in the region which we largely neglected?

Since inducting the AIM-120C5 and SD-10, the PAF's been focused on acquiring an advantageous long-range footing. So, it isn't just about range, but (depending on the options available) a long no-escape zone as well. WVR still matters, but the PAF wants to move towards HMD/S and HOBS AAM. In terms of the latter, we may even see talk of a 'Near BVR' capability too, especially with IRST coming online via the J-10CE.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think WVR still matters to an extent in the India-Pakistan theater due to geographical complexities. Near Kashmir high mountains may make clear shots with BVR missiles a bit more difficult than it else where.

 

[SQ8]

Really? I thought Pakistan romanticised WVR the most, and India was the first to achieve BVR in the region which we largely neglected?

Nope
Pakistan was forced into the WVR fight - but the whole TVC thing and wanting the WVR arena was something the Indians were obsessed with and kept asking for at exercises.

While the PAF was secretly putting its pilots in some briefings on BVR they would normally not have access to - the IAF was requesting curtailing BVR engagements and wanting to do their TVC dances in the sky with Typhoons and vipers.

This doesn’t mean they did not have leaders that thought of this well. Their Mig-23 pilots practiced against vipers by basically firing their BVR missiles in salvos to get the vipers to defend and lose energy so they could close in with better energy and get kills that way

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

PAF J10C Fighter Jet

 

[siegecrossbow]

Nope
Pakistan was forced into the WVR fight - but the whole TVC thing and wanting the WVR arena was something the Indians were obsessed with and kept asking for at exercises.

While the PAF was secretly putting its pilots in some briefings on BVR they would normally not have access to - the IAF was requesting curtailing BVR engagements and wanting to do their TVC dances in the sky with Typhoons and vipers.

This doesn’t mean they did not have leaders that thought of this well. Their Mig-23 pilots practiced against vipers by basically firing their BVR missiles in salvos to get the vipers to defend and lose energy so they could close in with better energy and get kills that way

The question is how relevant is TVC even in WVR when off bore SRAAM has become ubiquitous.

 

[SQ8]

The question is how relevant is TVC even in WVR when off bore SRAAM has become ubiquitous.

It still helps in getting better aspect in a fight but only in isolated 1v1 or 1v2 fights.

Otherwise the more aircraft in a fight the more useless TVC becomes.

 

[Deino]

Best one so far ... 22-119

 

[Scorpiooo]

That's not how plans are folding in reality. PAF is now more inclined towards J-10CE than Jf-17C/D.
Jf17 is almost reaching the requisite figure needed within air force.

How many block 3 aka jft17c you see in future for PAF

If the PAF wants MMU/TFX, it'd wait for the TR Motor engines. In the mean time, it can build out the J-10CE fleet.

J10C can go to 90+ (5 sqr) or even we can get future version D of J10 if Chinese go for it... It must semi stealth version

No - TFX is likely going to be either Eurojet or F-100 with a rare possibility of something from Motor-Sich later.

There may be elements of TFX Pakistan might take into a FC-31P


A local group makes these in Pakistan for the PAF… it is now implemented for Mirages and F-7s.. but it is still VR view overall.

No motion simulator yet - as mentioned earlier PAF wants AR - so basically the physical cockpit coupled with the ability to switch to actual cockpit when looking below the frame.

What ever the engine we most probably see TFX Pakistani variant as 5th Gen PFX in coming future