PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Deino]

the j-10 doesnt carry standoff missiles. mostly because it doesnt need to. the PLAAf has flanker variants, jh-7A and H-6 in large numbers for that purpose.

however, it shouldn't be too difficult in the grand scheme of things to integrate one, like the various KH-55 variants/domestic developments of that china has or yj-12

if the jh-7A could carry it, then it shouldn't a huge issue for the j-10 to be able to as well.
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Oh please … it is not possible to integrate the KD-20 ALCM and/or YJ-12 onto the J-10! Did you check the size of these missiles.

 

[The Terminator]

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If you buy this one... this can carry like 100 of those BVRs! So... doesn't prove anything!

Be careful though... you load too many and even these can tip over!

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Moral of the story, no aircraft needs to carry 12-14 BVRs at once. + you are comparing large fighter jets payload to medium category ones.

But we know how to tame them

 

[MastanKhan]

Also @The Terminator , think of it this way.. I was born in the country and people I am insulting and spent 25 years of my life in. I am feeling the disdain of it as well and the people I am pointing fingers at include folks I know personally

Hi,

A moment of reckoning---.

 

[Falcon26]

For all the talk about how many BVRAAMs the J-10C can carry, keep in mind that PAF JF-17s have been sporting dual-ejector racks and I'm sure CAC will heed the feedback provided by PAF pilots on what the J-10C excels in and what it can improve on.

Now, one key capability that the J-10C lacks is standoff air-to-surface strike. China does not yet have an equivalent of the SCALP or Storm Shadow missile, so PAF would need to either integrate Ra'ad-1/2 onto the J-10C or wait for such a missile to appear. The J-10C and Rafale should be roughly comparable in the air-to-air domain, but the Rafale has a distinct advantage in air-to-surface capabilities due to its higher payload capacity, greater number of pre-existing hardpoints, and the availability of the SCALP missile.

And don't say that the YJ-83K or GB-6A are standoff missiles; they're not and the latter is more comparable to a powered JSOW than a true ALCM. The PLAAF has treated the J-10C as a pure air-to-air bird and now the ball is in Pakistan's court to turn it into a true multirole fighter like what CAC claims.

Integrate the Turkish SOM-missile on J-10C abs problem is eliminated.

 

[Oruc]

Sheikhooo just predicted in press conference that I don't know when but IA we will see j 20 also in PAF colors

 

[Raja Porus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500732072079798273

 

[Wesen Hunter]

Having a lot of missiles does have its advantages in that you can lob two per target or engage 4 at once with 8 in track while scan mode.
However, the equation then shifts to the missiles and the kinematics of the launch.
So far the MKI’s integration with the i-Derby has gone nowhere and the Astra isn’t deployed either. So with their R-27s and R-77s the MKIs need the payload just to score a decent kill.

Finally, no one is still asking the performance of a Su-30(or F-15EX) fully laden with missiles and internal fuel

Plz allow a correction:
Astra has already been integrated with multiple Su-30MKI squadrons with the first being No. 15 sqn who got the patch 'Astra Pioneers' awarded to them for completing Astra integration along with necessary techniques.

Plus on top of that BDL confirmed last week that with current order of 250 Astra for IAF on verge of being completed, it is now ready for more mass orders

Last month it was also fielded in exercise with Omani F-16 Blk 50 with Astra turning out to have slightly larger engagement envelope than Aim-120C5

 

[Air Wolf]

Disease:
That's called Viral Expats Syndrome. It usually occurs when someone from Pakistan visits a well developed and rich country for the extended period of time.

Symptoms:
Allergic form everything related to Pakistan specially Pakistanis and their attitude.
All Pakistanis are all laid back persons, have nothing to do except gossips 24/7 and pulling each other's legs.
Screwed Law and Justice system in Pakistan (which is actually a correct assumption)
Those illiterate, uncivilized mob of people!
Assessing Pakistan through their current region's lens and observe if the 2 countries are closely aligned or not. If aligned then brag a lot about that and if not then screw you Pakistanis, you need to change yourself.
Try to revolutionize Pakistan in a blink of an eye and copy your current country's "far superior" system in Pakistan.
And lately there's been a pandemic in Pakistani expats of supporting PTI. And that's ok actually aren't supporting any party but wish to bring about change in regime and system. But it's just a wishful thinking.

Have been through that phase personally and have experienced each and every bit of that disease for years myself.


Cure:
And it has a simple cure. Just come and start living here. You would observe how a lot of things that wouldn't be even possible to think of can be done in Pakistan and the relaxation/liberties we experience here can't be found anywhere in those boring developed countries. Then you truly start praising the raw freedom of this land and would never want to change a bit. But to truly experience those blessings you would first have give up that damn passport/visa/nationality which alienates you from your motherland

On point diagnosis...couldn't have worded it better.

Just to add, barring exceptions, the disease is more rampant in the segment residing in west as opposed to the ones in Middle East.

 

[TNT]

Disease:
That's called Viral Expats Syndrome. It usually occurs when someone from Pakistan visits a well developed and rich country for the extended period of time.

Symptoms:
Allergic form everything related to Pakistan specially Pakistanis and their attitude.
All Pakistanis are all laid back persons, have nothing to do except gossips 24/7 and pulling each other's legs.
Screwed Law and Justice system in Pakistan (which is actually a correct assumption)
Those illiterate, uncivilized mob of people!
Assessing Pakistan through their current region's lens and observe if the 2 countries are closely aligned or not. If aligned then brag a lot about that and if not then screw you Pakistanis, you need to change yourself.
Try to revolutionize Pakistan in a blink of an eye and copy your current country's "far superior" system in Pakistan.
And lately there's been a pandemic in Pakistani expats of supporting PTI. And that's ok actually aren't supporting any party but wish to bring about change in regime and system. But it's just a wishful thinking.

Have been through that phase personally and have experienced each and every bit of that disease for years myself.


Cure:
And it has a simple cure. Just come and start living here. You would observe how a lot of things that wouldn't be even possible to think of can be done in Pakistan and the relaxation/liberties we experience here can't be found anywhere in those boring developed countries. Then you truly start praising the raw freedom of this land and would never want to change a bit. But to truly experience those blessings you would first have give up that damn passport/visa/nationality which alienates you from your motherland

Sorry to jump in but what u say is true for the small privileged class. They enjoy the raw freedom because they can pay there way through everything. Even getting away with murder is easy, just pay few laakh as blood money. Need anything done? Be it illegal, just pay. This something we should be shameful about and u inturn are proud of it.
He is right when he says u can buy everything in Pakistan. I swear show me one single deppt or institute where u cant use money for ur personal work? Even PhD degrees to jobs to transfers, everything is sold and its something worrying and shameful. Instead of putting ur head in the sand and getting angry on fake nationalism, u should use that nationalism to raise issues n fix it. But it seems u r one of those who enjoy what u call "raw freedom" and take advantage of it. You never realize how ur raw freedom affects the poor and deserving ppl and how its destroying the country from inside.

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

I know several cases of our Blk 52s being beaten by another aircraft of our PAF in WVR dogfights just because their CFTs don't allow them to pull more Gs and tighter turns.

Agreed . I read somewhere that f16 block 60 of uaeaf can only pull 7gs because of the cfts.

Pakistan has ample Ground to Ground standoff weapons options , the delivery from Fighter Jet is just one avenue for delivery. These can hit targets with error figure of 1-2 meters and that is generally , close enough range to take out considerable radius , not just the target itself.

Pakistan does not exclusively need Babur or Raad deivery from Dragon-10 (J10) , the Thunders are able to help , plus the Babur can also be launched from mobile platform

However , the delivery options are confidential info with PAF certain info is disclosed when time comes

Baeidou military provides millimeter precision.

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If you buy this one... this can carry like 100 of those BVRs! So... doesn't prove anything!

Be careful though... you load too many and even these can tip over!

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Moral of the story, no aircraft needs to carry 12-14 BVRs at once. + you are comparing large fighter jets payload to medium category ones.

One amraam weighs about 152 kgs.
22× 152=3344 kgs(7356 lbs).
F15 would definitely act like this truck

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

F-15 EX which is currently on order can carry 22 AIM-120 AMRAAMS
What does it shows
Pardon me butt, 4 F-15 EX can carry more bvr missiles then a whole squadron of J-10 !

22 amraams = total weight 7356 pounds.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

So as per SR, 25 J10Cs have landed in Pakistan ....there should be more pictures by now ....anyone plz!

@PanzerKiel report here please with new pics and latest stats

 

[JohnWick]

22 amraams = total weight 7356 pounds.

Boeing advertises that it can structurally carry up to 22.
• 4x AIM-120 per each CFT (8 total under the aircraft)
• 4x AAMs on each inboard wing pylon (8 total)
• 3x AAMs on each outboard wing pylon (6 total)

F-15SA, a precursor for the F-15EX, showing the outer wing pylons with 2x AAMs each

Boeing F-15E outfitted with AMBER rack prototypes on lower weapon stations and 4x AIM-120s on the inboard wing pylon

 

[V. Makarov]

F-15 EX which is currently on order can carry 22 AIM-120 AMRAAMS
What does it shows
Pardon me butt, 4 F-15 EX can carry more bvr missiles then a whole squadron of J-10 !

 

[JohnWick]

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If you buy this one... this can carry like 100 of those BVRs! So... doesn't prove anything!

Be careful though... you load too many and even these can tip over!

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Moral of the story, no aircraft needs to carry 12-14 BVRs at once. + you are comparing large fighter jets payload to medium category ones.

Comparing truck with F-15 in which world are you living ?
And first go and learn sth about BVR engagement, the missile do the job of maneuvers the plane is just a launch pad
Ever heard of loyal wingman or stingray ????
These unmanned aircraft used just to carry additional BVRs
Boeing CAC are spending billions of dollars to get more bvr in the air but they don't get a Truck of yours