PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[GumNaam]

PAF hasn’t even officially disclosed the purchase of J10 publicly yet! So the whole aircraft is still an open secret. You can look at the Chinese J10s to get an idea.

well, we will know on March 23rd...

 

[The Terminator]

I wouldn't say the J-10 is optimised for A2A, it certainly is a very capable A2A fighter with AESA, IRST, and Datalink, but given its Lavi-inspired design, it's actually primarily designed as a medium weight strike fighter, given its large delta wing with thick wing root chord and high internal fuel ratio, and therefore relatively high load carrying capability over long ranges. I personally think this is where the PAF sees its most value, given that they can't upgrade their Viper fleet with SOWs for long range strike purposes.

J-10 isn't optimized for ground strike roles till now by PLAAF. I thinks it's mainly employed by PLAAF as an interceptor with some multirole capabilities. Because PLAAF has a lot of flankers and dedicated fighter bombers to do that task. JF-17 is better optimized for multirole capabilities than the J-10. But it could all change when it comes into the hands of the PAF.

PAF would love to explore the capabilities of the J-10C platform which it couldn't fulfill by the JF-17, like Air Launched Cruise Missile etc. The induction of J-10C would make our obsolete Mirages completely redundant and they could be easily retired/replaced in the future with no compromises in the capabilities. Same would be the case with the F-16s, they would be dethroned by the J-10CP in the PAF's inventory as a premium fighter jet. And would made the F-16s redundant as well, so less reliant on the US supply chain. I am in no intention to degrade or belittle any of the platforms, they are all top notch in their own right.

 

[The Terminator]

There seems to be a lack of space.... Wonder if the JF-17 could be further modified with side looking modules on the spine or wing tips rather than the nose itself.... Another reason of them lacking would be because of engine output... Third would be too much structural changes to the nose.... Maybe we would see it in the block 4 IF it incorporates a more powerful engine and composites....

The expandability of the JF-17 program is now growing to show it's bottlenecks due to it's smaller size. We might get new better munitions, software/EW upgrades, poded IRST etc. but I am not expecting any huge leaps forward at a scale from block 2 to block 3 in the future for the JF-17 blocks.

To attain a revolutionary changes in it's specs, you would have to make changes in the fuselage/aerodynamic surfaces, internal structure to make room for further expansions but it would be entirely a new plane with very little in common with the previous blocks of the JF-17.

 

[Jinn Baba]

IMHO 25 could be either delivered this year or to be delivered before 23rd of March. Because even Sheikh's knowledge about the acquisition is limited.

There is no way 25 jets of the same model would flypast in the parade. It could be 1 J-10CP or 3 at most flypast in a formation.

25 by 23rd of this month seems unlikely. The pics "leaked" from China so far (I think) show 6 J10s in PAF markings - serial 01 to 06.

I doubt we would have another 19 in 3 weeks. But I would love to be proven wrong!

Agree about the flypast.

 

[Aesterix]

J-10CP is going to have a better radar than the JF-17 Block-3 that's for sure. Might be based on the same technologies but with greater number of TRMs.

LKF was a work in progress unlike KLJ.
I wont be surprised if J-10CP gets LKF on steroids.

 

[The Terminator]

That's the way Chinese military operate, you might never know the designation name of some of the equipment maybe until it was retired from service.

But usually it's different case for export equipment though, unless Pakistan also want to follow the same way Chinese miliatry operate and want the informatiom to be classified.


I was actually looking forward to see more J-10C cockpit pics, and learning more about WS-10B engine's MTBO and service life etc from Pakistan side in the future. Because we've only heard that WS-10 engine is better than AL-31 in performance from the Chinese side, it will be great to see from another party confirming it.

Lol Pakistan military is also notorious for its secrecy. They induct and operate weapons systems and don't even acknowledge or reveal it publicly for years.

In the case of J-10CP, a minister confirmed it and we have a lot of pictures and videos from our Chinese friends clearly showing J-10Cs flying in China in Pakistani colors but the military is still stubbornly guarding an open secret. Their official statement was to neither confirm nor deny! as if someone was asking them for a clandestine operation of ISI thousands or hundreds of miles away from its borders

 

[The Terminator]

You can send a complaint via PM portal for citizens.

Is ministry of defense even listed on that portal!

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Is ministry of defense even listed on that portal!

Well every one from DM to CAS reports to PM. Otherwise SC is also there for providing relief to concerned citizens.

 

[siegecrossbow]

LKF was a work in progress unlike KLJ.
I wont be surprised if J-10CP gets LKF on steroids.

Liquid cooled always beats air cooled in terms of raw performance, always. This is dictated by physics.

 

[GumNaam]

J-10 isn't optimized for ground strike roles till now by PLAAF. I thinks it's mainly employed by PLAAF as an interceptor with some multirole capabilities. Because PLAAF has a lot of flankers and dedicated fighter bombers to do that task. JF-17 is better optimized for multirole capabilities than the J-10. But it could all change when it comes into the hands of the PAF.

PAF would love to explore the capabilities of the J-10C platform which it couldn't fulfill by the JF-17, like Air Launched Cruise Missile etc. The induction of J-10C would make our obsolete Mirages completely redundant and they could be easily retired/replaced in the future with no compromises in the capabilities. Same would be the case with the F-16s, they would be dethroned by the J-10CP in the PAF's inventory as a premium fighter jet. And would made the F-16s redundant as well, so less reliant on the US supply chain. I am in no intention to degrade or belittle any of the platforms, they are all top notch in their own right.

By the looks of the configurations for the J-10C that are coming out, it seems like PAF would dedicate it for an air dominance role...

 

[Beast]

It would be a good starting point to compile all the officially known info with sources in one place. That way one can have a referrence point for the discussions. If as you say even J-10B radar is not confirmed till now then it would be a long time till we know about J-10C, so it would help to have some verified basics.

JF-17 BLK 3 comfirmed to have AESA and I doubt PAF will go thru the hassle of getting a new aircraft with capabilities below Blk 3 radar.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

The expandability of the JF-17 program is now growing to show it's bottlenecks due to it's smaller size. We might get new better munitions, software/EW upgrades, poded IRST etc. but I am not expecting any huge leaps forward at a scale from block 2 to block 3 in the future for the JF-17 blocks.

To attain a revolutionary changes in it's specs, you would have to make changes in the fuselage/aerodynamic surfaces, internal structure to make room for further expansions but it would be entirely a new plane with very little in common with the previous blocks of the JF-17.

It could be along the lines of the Mitsubishi F-2.... Maybe even incorporating the WS-10.... Long shot but hey... A man can dream...

 

[Aesterix]

JF-17 BLK 3 comfirmed to have AESA and I doubt PAF will go thru the hassle of getting a new aircraft with capabilities below Blk 3 radar.

In my opinion he biggest reason for J-10c Purchase was PL-15 .WIth long range missile , a radar capable of Locking on targets at those ranges is a must, otherwise whats the point?

 

[Aesterix]

Looking to the sky for hopefully seeing the J-10c and seeing nothing.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Just imagine, paf operating 6 squadrons of j10cp armed with pl15 supported by 10 aewcs and layered air defence. Just imagine

This free up 2 squadrons of rose 5 mirage 5, 10 squadrons of JFT and 4 squadrons of falcon to totally disscimate Indian army, navy and air force