PAF airpower for ANA?

[Armstrong]

True. My concern is that when it hits the fan in Afghanistan, we are going to get tremors. One way or another we would have to continue air strikes inside border provinces of Afghanistan for the foreseeable future. What would we do under such circumstances?

Carry out strikes inside Afghanistan (along the border areas) & let the Afghans register protests with the Pakistan Foreign Office & us using the same 'logic' the Americans threw at us when they conducted Drone Strikes in Pakistan !

 

[Kompromat]

Carry out strikes inside Afghanistan (along the border areas) & let the Afghans register protests with the Pakistan Foreign Office & us using the same 'logic' the Americans threw at us when they conducted Drone Strikes in Pakistan !

How would that affect our bilateral relations with Kabul?

 

[Armstrong]

How would that affect our bilateral relations with Kabul?

Time to cut-our-losses I suppose; stop giving aid to a country that doesn't deserve it, kick out the Afghan refugees, mine & fence the border & let the Indians do whatever the hell they wish to do there - Afghanistan is going to descend into chaos anyhow !

 

[Kompromat]

Time to cut-our-losses I suppose; stop giving aid to a country that doesn't deserve it, kick out the Afghan refugees, mine & fence the border & let the Indians do whatever the hell they wish to do there - Afghanistan is going to descend into chaos anyhow !

Wouldn't we be back to 1995?

 

[Indus Falcon]

First of all, we need to clean up out tribal belt / mess, at the same time seal, mine and patrol our borders. Last time I personally checked, more than 50% of the cargo under the "Afghan transit trade" ended up in Pakistan, hurting our economy. Sealing the border also stops the illicit drug trade as well.

Secondly, ship all the legal & illegal Afghanis, back to Afghanistan. We've hosted them for more than three decades, time to go back!!

Third, any cross border incursions should be dealt with a fitting reply. Our bi-lateral relations with Kabul, went to hell the day Karzai became President.

Fourth, The FC should be on a level of our Infantry forces in terms of training, equipment and intelligence.

Fifth, PA/PAF should treat FC just like a regular infantry unit and provide intelligence, training, equipment and backup ASAP.

Sixth, Genuine parties that support Pakistan should be supported to an extent, that they don;t turn into a monster we can't control.

We need to stop side stepping this issue and tackle it head on. They are nothing but "asteen ka saap." Enough is enough!!

 

[Viper0011.]

How would that affect our bilateral relations with Kabul?

Bilateral relations with who? The terrorists or the Afghans? If you ask me, if the terrorists attack and kill innocents anywhere, you have a right as a sovereign country to take them out. Just like we exercise that right here in the US, just like the Isareli's do and just like how India almost went to war with you guys.
In fact, if you guys destroy terrorist heavens, I am sure the Afghans should appreciate it as it'll be beneficial for them, just like whatever terrorists the US has taken out, they are gone, can't become a threat to the region anymore.

Terrorism is terrorism and it needs to be taken down with full force. No innocents need to die because either some crazy maniac thought humans were like ants or if someone else thought they can support such barbaric mentality and provide cover and shelter to terrorists.

 

[Kompromat]

Bilateral relations with who? The terrorists or the Afghans? If you ask me, if the terrorists attack and kill innocents anywhere, you have a right as a sovereign country to take them out. Just like we exercise that right here in the US, just like the Isareli's do and just like how India almost went to war with you guys.
In fact, if you guys destroy terrorist heavens, I am sure the Afghans should appreciate it as it'll be beneficial for them, just like whatever terrorists the US has taken out, they are gone, can't become a threat to the region anymore.

Terrorism is terrorism and it needs to be taken down with full force. No innocents need to die because either some crazy maniac thought humans were like ants or if someone else thought they can support such barbaric mentality and provide cover and shelter to terrorists.

This logic is too big for an Afghan prejudice to stomach. An Afghan would rather get their enemies bombed by a Christian or a Jewish pilot than from a Pakistani.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Wouldn't we be back to 1995?

More or less, yes. We do need to make sure that the indian supporters do not over run the country and create another headache for us. We should support Pro-Pakistani parties, and ensure all we can to stabilize Afghanistan. Any Hindutva loving idiots should be put in their place.

Our policy needs to change to a more pragmatic one, from the current policy of kicking a dead donkey!!

 

[Indus Falcon]

Bilateral relations with who? The terrorists or the Afghans? If you ask me, if the terrorists attack and kill innocents anywhere, you have a right as a sovereign country to take them out. Just like we exercise that right here in the US, just like the Isareli's do and just like how India almost went to war with you guys.
In fact, if you guys destroy terrorist heavens, I am sure the Afghans should appreciate it as it'll be beneficial for them, just like whatever terrorists the US has taken out, they are gone, can't become a threat to the region anymore.

Terrorism is terrorism and it needs to be taken down with full force. No innocents need to die because either some crazy maniac thought humans were like ants or if someone else thought they can support such barbaric mentality and provide cover and shelter to terrorists.

There is no bigger terrorist than Karzai, and we are already entertaining him!! Why has he been protesting to our ambassador / foreign office about the PA's cross border shelling? Had our foreign policy been worth the paper it is written on, we would have knocked sense into Karzai a long time ago!!

Secondly, the Israeli analogy is wrong. Israel has a track record of false flags, lies and misconstruing facts, to justify & expand its illegal occupation, as well as it's barbarism.

 

[Viper0011.]

This logic is too big for an Afghan prejudice to stomach. An Afghan would rather get their enemies bombed by a Christian or a Jewish pilot than from a Pakistani.

Aero, I don't think the religion has to do anything here. Here are your choices, you can either allow these terrorists to continue to paralyze Pakistan as a country, its economy and hijacking of 200 million people's future by these few thousand, or as a nation you can agree on a resolve, support it and eliminate it.

I don't think you guys have the option of "what will they think"?? Because when you come to this emotional debate, guess what? You can't make the decision but your airport's, hospitals, streets are being colored with your innocent citizen's blood by these barbaric terrorists. You can't beat this mentality with dialogue and "peace talks", the only thing a terrorist understands is brute force. Anyone supporting terrorism needs to taste that too. Guess what would happen? No one will provide shelter to terrorists and no terrorists can come and blow themselves up in your streets. You have a responsibility to your country, its progress and to its citizens' lives. The Afghanis and whoever else need to understand that there is NO supporting terrorism into others territory or someone else will clean up the mess. Just like we made you guys understand the same thing, sadly enough, it took so long and it was in your best interest.

If I was the US president and if I had to hot pursuit terrorists into my neighboring countries, I'd order the USAF to carpet bomb the living out of the area that had the terrorist camps who targeted my citizens. There is nothing beyond keeping American citizens, their lives and the national security of the country safe. That's why we are in Afghanistan, thousands and thousands miles away, billion times away from the typical American fun-filled lifestyle our boys and girls enjoy when they are in the country. ONLY to protect America from a future attack and to keep the Americans safe.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Last time Pakistan gave Karzai a befitting response, and it wasn't just a bloody nose :

 

[A.Rafay]

We should offer them such Airpower only for the bordering areas of Afghanistan, If Ghani is willing to cooperate we should clean the mess in bordering areas as much as possible.

 

[Kompromat]

Aero, I don't think the religion has to do anything here. Here are your choices, you can either allow these terrorists to continue to paralyze Pakistan as a country, its economy and hijacking of 200 million people's future by these few thousand, or as a nation you can agree on a resolve, support it and eliminate it.

I don't think you guys have the option of "what will they think"?? Because when you come to this emotional debate, guess what? You can't make the decision but your airport's, hospitals, streets are being colored with your innocent citizen's blood by these barbaric terrorists. You can't beat this mentality with dialogue and "peace talks", the only thing a terrorist understands is brute force. Anyone supporting terrorism needs to taste that too. Guess what would happen? No one will provide shelter to terrorists and no terrorists can come and blow themselves up in your streets. You have a responsibility to your country, its progress and to its citizens' lives. The Afghanis and whoever else need to understand that there is NO supporting terrorism into others territory or someone else will clean up the mess. Just like we made you guys understand the same thing, sadly enough, it took so long and it was in your best interest.

If I was the US president and if I had to hot pursuit terrorists into my neighboring countries, I'd order the USAF to carpet bomb the living out of the area that had the terrorist camps who targeted my citizens. There is nothing beyond keeping American citizens, their lives and the national security of the country safe. That's why we are in Afghanistan, thousands and thousands miles away, billion times away from the typical American fun-filled lifestyle our boys and girls enjoy when they are in the country. ONLY to protect America from a future attack and to keep the Americans safe.

Orangzaib, the dynamics of America's war would have been drastically different if the battlefield was Maxico instead of Afghanistan. I think, this will put some perspective on our limitations. Lastly, religion was, is and will remain a currency in our part of the world.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Aero, I don't think the religion has to do anything here. Here are your choices, you can either allow these terrorists to continue to paralyze Pakistan as a country, its economy and hijacking of 200 million people's future by these few thousand, or as a nation you can agree on a resolve, support it and eliminate it.

I don't think you guys have the option of "what will they think"?? Because when you come to this emotional debate, guess what? You can't make the decision but your airport's, hospitals, streets are being colored with your innocent citizen's blood by these barbaric terrorists. You can't beat this mentality with dialogue and "peace talks", the only thing a terrorist understands is brute force. Anyone supporting terrorism needs to taste that too. Guess what would happen? No one will provide shelter to terrorists and no terrorists can come and blow themselves up in your streets. You have a responsibility to your country, its progress and to its citizens' lives. The Afghanis and whoever else need to understand that there is NO supporting terrorism into others territory or someone else will clean up the mess. Just like we made you guys understand the same thing, sadly enough, it took so long and it was in your best interest.

If I was the US president and if I had to hot pursuit terrorists into my neighboring countries, I'd order the USAF to carpet bomb the living out of the area that had the terrorist camps who targeted my citizens. There is nothing beyond keeping American citizens, their lives and the national security of the country safe. That's why we are in Afghanistan, thousands and thousands miles away, billion times away from the typical American fun-filled lifestyle our boys and girls enjoy when they are in the country. ONLY to protect America from a future attack and to keep the Americans safe.

Unfortunately, be it civil or military, we don't have the luxury of leaders who have the guts to do that. The current COAS has so far proved himself to be quite capable in putting the impotent civilian leadership in its place. Afghanistan will be the acid test that will define his tenure.

 

[Viper0011.]

Unfortunately, be it civil or military, we don't have the luxury of leaders who have the guts to do that. The current COAS has so far proved himself to be quite capable in putting the impotent civilian leadership in its place. Afghanistan will be the acid test that will define his tenure.

You can't just go nutts on others because you have the military might. There is a civilized process even resulting in eventual brute-force. The democratic government is responsible to its people, the military isn't. Take a look at Iraq and Libya who had military dictators, what did they accomplish for their people? Nothing!! The civil government builds a national case to get public support. If that doesn't exist, what's the point in showing off force when your own public will provide safe heavens to the terrorists even after the attack? That's where the Civil government comes in and that's why the military salutes a civil premier no matter how a civilian government chose to run a country. It's the civilian government's responsibility to provide public support to the military so that people avoid what had happened, what would cause the same issue to relapse again and that they support the lives being lost. Hope you understand. Countries aren't run by militaries. They are run through the vote