MiG-29K planes face operation deficiencies: CAG

[Zain Malik]

Lesson For Pakistani fanboys Who dreaming Su-35 .Russian Tech comes With huge Serviceability Issues
And you Need Huge Budget Like IAF or PLA to bear

You are still unable MR.

 

[barbarosa]

Only Russia and India operate these planes.

I think that only RD33 engine is creating problems not wire system.

 

[[Bregs]]

How different in engine different from the one used in IAF's MiG 29's?

It uses RD 33mk which produces some 15-17% more power then normal RD33 engine. the IAF mig 29 did not face such problems which CAG has pointed out

 

[John Reese]

Anyone doubting the IN is gearing up for their own Rafale-M fleet should read this report and drink it in. Whilst CAG reports are always 18-24 months behind the times, there is no doubt that the MiG-29Ks are facing the same issues that ALL Russian origin equipment faces.

Anyone wondering why the IN hasn't opted for more MIG-29Ks despite the fact the IAC-1 is coming online in a few years? Hint, they are waiting for the IAF's Rafale talks to conclude.


@PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen @Taygibay

@Abingdonboy
Well We Just Received 33 out 45 Mig-29K
Report Suggested that Serviceability Risen over the years From 2009 To 2014 Which Significant improvement

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy
Well We Just Received 33 out 45 Mig-29K
Report Suggested that Serviceability Risen over the years From 2019 To 2014 Which Significant improvement

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All 45 will have been delivered by the end of this year but this is insufficent to serve two carriers (Viky and IAC-1). If the IN was interested in getting more MiG-29Ks for their second carrier they would have placed the orders by now.


And thanks you for posting the full report, it is clear the picture is not as troublesome as the article has painted but the current availability rates (around 40% and 50%) are still pathetic for carrier based a/c.

 

[John Reese]

All 45 will have been delivered by the end of this year but this is insufficent to serve two carriers (Viky and IAC-1). If the IN was interested in getting more MiG-29Ks for their second carrier they would have placed the orders by now.


And thanks you for posting the full report, it is clear the picture is not as troublesome as the article has painted but the current availability rates (around 40% and 50%) are still pathetic for carrier based a/c.

There also Some structural deficiencies which Report Mentioned Was Addressed By RAC but the Problem persists
as The Main reason for such Low serviceability
IN is Precautionary to fly Mig-29 K at It full strength I think The Problem will Also Presented in Mig-35

 

[Windjammer]

Lesson For Pakistani fanboys Who dreaming Su-35 .Russian Tech comes With huge Serviceability Issues
And you Need Huge Budget Like IAF or PLA to bear That Cost

Well since ''Pakistani Fanboys'' is your favourite term, would the Indian weekend warrior explain, despite numerous other Russian aircraft operators, why is Agni Pankh always facing such issues, it has managed to designate the MiG-21 a flying coffin, it's SU-30s are only around 60% operational, despite the twin engine safety, it has managed to crash around 50 Jaguars and even the IN, before retiring them, it had written off over 50% of it's Harrier fleet.
And all you can do is blame the Russian Tech. !!!!.... yea fan boys indeed.

 

[John Reese]

And all you can do is blame the Russian Tech. !!!!.... yea fan boys indeed.

YES Because I read Full report The Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) is OEM in Mig-29K and The Serviceability or Maintenance Lies with them First they delayed IAC for years

We Discuss it With RAC
Audit, however observed from the protocol of the 18th Indo Russian Inter Governmental Commission – Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) (August 2015) that defects had occurred despite numerous design improvements and modifications and regular occurrence of these defects on sortie to sortie basis was having an adverse impact on Indian Navy pilots training and capability of aircraft for undertaking prolonged deployments.

 

[Abingdonboy]

it has managed to designate the MiG-21 a flying coffin

>50 year old design with pi$$ poor after sales support from Russia.

it's SU-30s are only around 60% operational

75% by the end of 2016.

it had written off over 50% of it's Harrier fleet.

The Harrier was a notoriously difficult plane to fly.

The problem is the Indian Mil is far too open with these details and the CAG is far to "activist" with the Indian media being far too immature and TRP hungry to properly analyse the seperate issues involved and to present a nuanced picture.

 

[John Reese]

Well since ''Pakistani Fanboys'' is your favourite term, would the Indian weekend warrior explain, despite numerous other Russian aircraft operators, why is Agni Pankh always facing such issues, it has managed to designate the MiG-21 a flying coffin, it's SU-30s are only around 60% operational, despite the twin engine safety, it has managed to crash around 50 Jaguars and even the IN, before retiring them, it had written off over 50% of it's Harrier fleet.
And all you can do is blame the Russian Tech. !!!!.... yea fan boys indeed.

Jaguar 37 years Ago And We Still Operate 124 of them

>50 year old design with pi$$ poor after sales support from Russia.


75% by the end of 2016.


The Harrier was a notoriously difficult plane to fly.

The problem is the Indian Mil is far too open with these details and the CAG is far to "activist" with the Indian media being far too immature and TRP hungry to properly analyse the seperate issues involved and to present a nuanced picture.

Let him Flamebait you Know his reputation
PAF Lives in Sham of 100% availability Which Even Actual OEM(USAF) Not guarantees of the Aircraft they Maintains

 

[Windjammer]

>50 year old design with pi$$ poor after sales support from Russia.

Wrong, at the height of their accidents, the investigators found most of those crashed were built or assembled in HAL and some ball bearings have been fitted wrong constantly causing engine malfunction.

75% by the end of 2016.

That's the target you hope to achieve.

The Harrier was a notoriously difficult plane to fly.

The problem is the Indian Mil is far too open with these details and the CAG is far to "activist" with the Indian media being far too immature and TRP hungry to properly analyse the seperate issues involved and to present a nuanced picture.

It was in it's infancy, check out the USMC operations....

 

[Abingdonboy]

It was in it's infancy, check out the USMC operations....

The USMC does not operate the Sea Harrier.

 

[Basel]

Lesson For Pakistani fanboys Who dreaming Su-35 .Russian Tech comes With huge Serviceability Issues
And you Need Huge Budget Like IAF or PLA to bear That Cost

Sukhoi has maintained better quality then Mikoyan since some years that is why they are selling their birds while Migs are not, and even one country returned new migs and asked for Su-30s

 

[Windjammer]

Jaguar 37 years Ago And We Still Operate 124 of them

What does that prove, like wise you fly more MiG-21s and we the Mirages, both of which were inducted much earlier.l

Let him Flamebait you Know his reputation
PAF Lives in Sham of 100% availability Which Even Actual OEM(USAF) Not guarantees of the Aircraft they Maintains

You in an Indian issue called out Pakistani fan boys yet I'm the one flame baiting, and since you have the habit of cherry picking, the subject then in discussion was PAF which was actually awarded by PW for flying F-16 for 100 000 incident free hours.
And now since you are blaming Russian equipment, when i posted similar news earlier, the guns were trained elsewhere.

https://defence.pk/threads/russia-delivers-substandard-mig-29-fighter-fleet-to-indian-navy.440196/

 

[ptldM3]

No evidence means no evidence. No evidence combined with lack of free press doesn't equal to evidence.

It's mostly in Indian media where complaints are coming from. A lot of the complains is probably from lobbyists that get incentives if they can get India to purchase western aircraft. Over the years there has been many such stories, most stories offer very little detail and unnamed sources.

Then again if you look at the MRCA fiasco it's hard to keep the Indians happy, it seem like there is alway something to complain about.