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Like watch out. Big Boss will find out what have you been up to!....Thanks a lot.it records inflight manoeuvring for debrief purposes.
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Like watch out. Big Boss will find out what have you been up to!....Thanks a lot.it records inflight manoeuvring for debrief purposes.
rd-93ma is being tested in china on jf17, take a hint. its meant for export anyway.In the background of Russian willingness to sell Helicopter Gunships to PAA ...
Russia lifts arms embargo to Pakistan: report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Russia scraps arms trade embargo on Pakistan
What are the prospects to pave a way to strike a deal for the RD-93ma engines?
This engine would certainly give the Thunder a significant boost in its performance and flight envelope. Importantly, it will raise the T/W ratio easily above 1.
Just a query?
In the background of Russian willingness to sell Helicopter Gunships to PAA ...
Russia lifts arms embargo to Pakistan: report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Russia scraps arms trade embargo on Pakistan
What are the prospects to pave a way to strike a deal for the RD-93ma engines?
This engine would certainly give the Thunder a significant boost in its performance and flight envelope. Importantly, it will raise the T/W ratio easily above 1.
Just a query?
That is true.
But the norm is to calculate T/W at typical combat weights and not at max load.
I had posted this earlier in this same thread ...
JF-17 Max Aft. Burner Thrust
RD93MA = 9300kg / 20460lbs.
RD93 = 8300kg / 18260lbs
JF-17 Typical Mission Take-Off Weight = 9100kg / 20020lbs
Thrust To Ratio For JF-17:
RD93MA = 1.022
RD93 = 0.912
JF-17 Initial Climb Rate (Mach:0.85 at SL):
RD93MA = 280m/s estimated.
RD93 = 249m/s.
Your typical mission take off figures are off, with internal fuel and two AA missiles, JF-17 would be around 9100kg or above. For any useful mission, it will need to carry bombs, anti-ship missiles or BVR weapons, all of which will push this take off weight to 12,000kg or more.
For thunder to be useful in combat, yes it needs to max out the payload. Normal CAP missions can be flown with 2 wvr and 2 BVR missiles, but you still need to carry extra fuel for range. For precision strike roles, you need 2 tonnes just for bombs/anti ship missiles and one centreline fuel tank.Wouldn't that take the load close to its max load of ~12400Kg?
Does it need to be that high typically?
But It quite is possible though that I am not aware of the latest specs of the Thunder.
Well, we can discard the pre 2009 figures since those were shipped from China as a Small batch production. Actual PAC production started in 2009. Yes it's low, but it peaked to 16 in 2010. It's all about funds. Normally i guess a good rate would be replacing 2 squadrons every 2 years. So upto 18 per year should be the goal from now on.Quoting asif iqbal from sino defence.
07-101 to 07-105 thats 5 units*
08-106 to 08-108 that's 3 units*
09-109 to 09-112 that's 4 units*
10-113 to 10-128 that's 16 units*
11-129 to 11-136 that's 8 units*
12-137 to 12-142 that's 6 units*
13-143 to 13-150 that's 8 units
despite a 20-25/year production capacity claim, actual production is well below 10 for last 3 years and I'm not hopeful for block-II production either
For thunder to be useful in combat, yes it needs to max out the payload. Normal CAP missions can be flown with 2 wvr and 2 BVR missiles, but you still need to carry extra fuel for range. For precision strike roles, you need 2 tonnes just for bombs/anti ship missiles and one centreline fuel tank.
But if air combat ensues ... wouldn't those tanks be jettisoned ... resulting in better T/W ratio for combat maneuvers?
What does ACMI stand for?.
rd-93ma is being tested in china on jf17, take a hint. its meant for export anyway.
Quoting asif iqbal from sino defence.
07-101 to 07-105 thats 5 units*
08-106 to 08-108 that's 3 units*
09-109 to 09-112 that's 4 units*
10-113 to 10-128 that's 16 units*
11-129 to 11-136 that's 8 units*
12-137 to 12-142 that's 6 units*
13-143 to 13-150 that's 8 units
despite a 20-25/year production capacity claim, actual production is well below 10 for last 3 years and I'm not hopeful for block-II production either
it records inflight manoeuvring for debrief purposes.